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it's not
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it's not but we were not made to eat as much red meat as we do while being being so sedentary
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We put bad stuff in the meat, vegetables are becoming bad for us as well.

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no it definitely is bad for you
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DoesntMatter posted...
it's not

ai123 posted...
It isn't.

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It's not bad for us, but we're not meant to eat it so much. You point out that we have canines, but they're small compared to lions and wolves who do need to eat more meat than us. Humans are primates and primates evolved to have a mixed diet. Meat is good, but you still need to eat more fruits and vegetables to have a healthy diet.

Not trying to preach, I'm still gonna eat a good steak lol
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DoesntMatter posted...
it's not

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even if its not bad for us, its definitely bad for the animals :(
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
even if its not bad for us, its definitely bad for the animals :(
Have they considered not b ing so tasty?
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Robot2600 posted...
no it definitely is bad for you
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Ivynn posted...
It's not bad for us, but we're not meant to eat it so much. You point out that we have canines, but they're small compared to lions and wolves who do need to eat more meat than us. Humans are primates and primates evolved to have a mixed diet. Meat is good, but you still need to eat more fruits and vegetables to have a healthy diet.

Not trying to preach, I'm still gonna eat a good steak lol
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Pointing to teeth as evidence that we need to eat meat is dumb. What do gorilla and hippo teeth look like? What do they eat?

So dumb.
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Ivynn posted...
It's not bad for us, but we're not meant to eat it so much. You point out that we have canines, but they're small compared to lions and wolves who do need to eat more meat than us. Humans are primates and primates evolved to have a mixed diet. Meat is good, but you still need to eat more fruits and vegetables to have a healthy diet.

Not trying to preach, I'm still gonna eat a good steak lol

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Its bad if you eat too much.
You know, like everything.
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We cant metabolize dietary cholesterol like carnivores can. Wolves can eat as much red meat as they like and never develop arterial plaque.
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It's not, but processed meat can be. Most studies that conclude red meat is unhealthy don't differentiate between a grass-fed steak and a hot dog with added nitrites and nitrates.
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SaltyWet posted...
We have canine teeth!
Hey it's the big cat guy. Are all your topics about nature,?
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https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat

" Red and processed meats do increase health risks"
-Harvard
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Smallville posted...
Hey it's the big cat guy. Are all your topics about nature,?
No.
Ask me anything about big cats.
Red meat is bad for us. It has certain aspects to it that can be beneficial in small portions, and our ancestors definitely benefitted what it provided in their comparatively narrow diet, but broadly speaking the science is there - it increases our risk of heart disease significantly. Meanwhile, those aforementioned beneficial aspects are just as present in other foods that don't increase our risk of heart disease.

In this day and age, red meat should be viewed as an occasional indulgence, not a staple as it has been.

Signed - someone who eats too much red meat.
The food here is terrible. My steak was so tough it attacked my coffee and the coffee was too weak to defend itself.
SaltyWet posted...
No.
How about who would win in fight male lion or Tiger ? Seems an extremely high percentage of people think tiger. This has been like hotly debated for many many decades. Iirc though interestingly on zoos where they have ample food, seems the Siberian tigers frame is the largest of all and can supports the most weight . Is that what you've read , also do you like going to zoos to view big cats?
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Smallville posted...
How about who would win in fight male lion or Tiger ? Seems an extremely high percentage of people think tiger. This has been like hotly debated for many many decades. Iirc though interestingly on zoos where they have ample food, seems the Siberian tigers frame is the largest of all and can supports the most weight . Is that what you've read , also do you like going to zoos to view big cats?

The fight is 50/50.

The Bengal tiger is larger than than the Siberian (Amur) tiger.
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SaltyWet posted...
The fight is 50/50.

The Bengal tiger is larger than than the Siberian (Amur) tiger.
Are you sure about this, I read like in the Siberian tigers natural range food is extremely scarce , in zoos where they have food, their frames are the largest of all. Also read that both on avg outweigh the male lion by like 50 lbs, male lion a better fighter?
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We're not supposed to only eat meat. Those "carnivore diet" people are delusional. Liver King is probably going to die in his sixties.

Honestly it's better to eat more fish as long as it isn't like Tuna with all the mercury in it.
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wanderingshade posted...
We're not supposed to only eat meat. Those "carnivore diet" people are delusional. Liver King is probably going to die in his sixties.

Honestly it's better to eat more fish as long as it isn't like Tuna with all the mercury in it.

I thought it was too late, all fish heck all seafood is full of mercury, and we've irrevocably screwed up the ocean, type of fish won't matter.

Tuna steak is so good it literally tastes like eating a regular steak only more delicious somehow. Really is a shame how much of it is canned when seared tuna is just scrumptious.
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It's also not just red meat:

https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/chicken

"Chicken also raises cholesterol levels as much as red meat. Researchers tested the effects of low-saturated-fat diets that drew their protein from red meat (beef and pork), white meat (chicken and turkey), or nonmeat sources (legumes, nuts, grains, and soy products).7 It turned out that both white and red meat raised LDL (bad) cholesterol, compared with plant-based proteins, and did so to about the same extent."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/chicken-consumption-cancer-risk-early-death

"A surprising new study of people in southern Italy suggests that consuming excess poultry, widely considered a healthier animal protein source, may be associated with all-cause mortality and gastrointestinal cancers.

The studys results largely conflict with previous research and conventional wisdom. Poultry is generally considered a healthy protein source and a mainstay of healthy-diet plans, including the well-regarded Mediterranean diet."
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
even if its not bad for us, its definitely bad for the animals :(
That's why I'm a vegetarian.
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I've done a ton of research on this and gone through phases of vegetarianism and pescatarianism in my life.

1. The general concensus seems to be that yes, red meat does have detrimental effects, particularly when consumed in large quantities.

2. It should be noted, that some research states that red meat has less of a detrimental effect when paired with salads.

3. I (personally) firmly believe that my health is best supported by consuming a variety of foods. Most of my protein comes from seafood, which has its own issues and risks involved that I try to mitigate. I also try and eat lots of fruits and veggies while staying away from too many processed foods. Especially American bread.

Also not to disregard the research, but literally everything kills you nowadays. Between pesticides, pollution, etc, we really got it bad lol.
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It's not, meat is just fine in moderation just like most of the things we regularly eat.
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Robot2600 posted...
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat

" Red and processed meats do increase health risks"
-Harvard
While the doctor phrased it that way, he didn't actually refer to any research that differentiated between unprocessed and processed red meat. The majority of literature doesn't make this distinction.
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If it's all you eat it can be bad. Cats have kidney problems in old age because their diet is like 90% meat. And a lifetime of that is rough on their kidneys. Plus domestic cats live much longer than wild cats so their kidneys were not designed to need to last that long
saspa posted...
I thought it was too late, all fish heck all seafood is full of mercury, and we've irrevocably screwed up the ocean, type of fish won't matter.

Tuna steak is so good it literally tastes like eating a regular steak only more delicious somehow. Really is a shame how much of it is canned when seared tuna is just scrumptious.
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Smallville posted...
Are you sure about this, I read like in the Siberian tigers natural range food is extremely scarce , in zoos where they have food, their frames are the largest of all. Also read that both on avg outweigh the male lion by like 50 lbs, male lion a better fighter?

And? The zoo is not a natural environment. The wild and natural bengal tiger is bigger than the Amur tiger. A 50 lb weight wont sway the fight when the lion is arguably the more intelligent fighter.

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wanderingshade posted...
Honestly it's better to eat more fish as long as it isn't like Tuna with all the mercury in it.
Tuna and related mercury fish are also fine as long as you keep under a certain amount each week
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The way cows and American beef is processed is bad. The amount that some people eat can be bad.

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How much is good?
Nuanced answer: it can be, but it's not inherently, and also it doesn't have anything to do with longevity.

Appealing to nature is a fallacy to begin with. There is no evolutionarily imperative to live a long happy life. You are useful so long as you reproduce offspring, that's all.

Too much of anything is bad for your health. We weren't designed to eat as much as we do.
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SaltyWet posted...
And? The zoo is not a natural environment. The wild and natural bengal tiger is bigger than the Amur tiger. A 50 lb weight wont sway the fight when the lion is arguably the more intelligent fighter.
Yeah you believe this too, the male lion is a much better fighter and much more aggressive?
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Smallville posted...
Yeah you believe this too, the male lion is a much better fighter and much more aggressive?

yeah. But under the skin they are pretty much the same animal

Ask me anything about big cats.
Were omnivores so were meant to eat a bit of everything. Too little or too much of any one thing isnt great for us.
Same people who eat too much red and processed meat tend to not be great with health elsewhere.

However!

The idea that, as humans, we can't handle eating meat, is dumb. All these sources always say "high levels" or "too much" or "these participants are chainsmokers afraid of veggies and cardio" or somesuch.
And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life?
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Early humans ate less meat, were more active and died a lot younger than modern humans. Eating less meat and being more active helps mitigate a lot of meat's negative properties and frankly their shorter life-spans meant that they likely died of any number of things before meat-induced heart disease had a chance to kill them.

Considering that meat was calorie and protein dense and the human brain is a very energyintensive organ. It was well-worth the trade to add meat to the diet. But in modern days we have gone way too heavy in meat based diets. It's far in excess of what our bodies need so the negatives start to outweigh the positives.
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Along with everything already stated, red meat is a slab of saturated fat (heart disease) and heme iron (cancer) without any upside. It also destroys the climate and is unimaginably cruel to animals at our scale.
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Compsognathus posted...
Early humans ate less meat, were more active and died a lot younger than modern humans. Eating less meat and being more active helps mitigate a lot of meat's negative properties and frankly their shorter life-spans meant that they likely died of any number of things before meat-induced heart disease had a chance to kill them.

Considering that meat was calorie and protein dense and the human brain is a very energyintensive organ. It was well-worth the trade to add meat to the diet. But in modern days we have gone way too heavy in meat based diets. It's far in excess of what our bodies need so the negatives start to outweigh the positives.mand
Early humans you say, how many yrs ago and what part of world?
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Smallville posted...
Early humans you say, how many yrs ago and what part of world?

Good point, parts of ice age humanity survived almost entirely on mastodon meat.
And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life?
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Krojen posted...
without any upside
Saying that a grass-fed steak has NO upsides like protein, B-vitamins, CLA, and Omega-3s is pretty extreme.
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