Why is MAGA so fucking heartless iyo?

621 posted...

Christianity where I grew up was a lot of pro-poor sermons and charity work. LGBT stuff was avoided, but not necessarily discouraged or even actively attacked. and in general people were pretty chill and normal ; the actual practice was kind of just a thing we do, but our lives didn't revolve around it. here in the US it feels like people are always testing you to see whether you're a "true believer". and it always seems tightly bound to republican politics.

Do not confuse an individual with a movement. Christians are perfectly fine, Christianity has had very questionable actions throughout its history. Your personal experiences do not negate the actions of the many others that were not in your personal bubble. The US wasn't unique, those sort of actions were and are everywhere with the main difference being just how open they have become in America in accepting the filth.

The world would be better without them and we can fix all of this mess.

You can not follow Jesus and support Trump. It is impossible.

darkknight109 posted...

These people constitute a voting block large enough to send presidents to the White House. Unless you want to talk about a pogrom of some sort and go to some very dark places, you are going to *have* to "reach" them somehow. Simply throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "They're unsalvageable, don't bother" isn't going to fix the very real problems that the US is facing as a result of the Republican party's thralls.

asdf8562 posted...

Im not saying they arent dumb. Like I said, many of these people unknowingly vote against there interests, yet think they are smart. Feelings and vibes run a lot of people's "logic."

Well,

Ignorant; Only cares about their bills; In a media algorithm that tells them Republicans are doing a great job and they fixed things and anything bad is Dems fault; Simultaneously hearing a faction of Democrats join hands with Republicans to blame Democrats for their financial woes;

Just the fact that they have to pay bills as costly as usual not enough. Yeah obviously even legit good changes wouldn't happen overnight or even over half the year necessarily.

But if they believe in what the Bible said about say Jesus turning wine into water (literal), why not expect Trump to turn bills into money for the people?

Fact is, if Trump and company were hot shit and legitimately so, the problems plaguing his voters would be gone 100% yesterday.

You keep pointing to awful things the Trump administration is doing as if places like Fox News or right wing algorithms are sitting down giving the bad side of what Trump is doing, or even dropping the truth of whats being done. Spoiler alert, its 24/7 Trump and Republicans are doing great things for the economy, and anything bad is Dems fault.

You cant "just see something is bad" if you arent being shown something is bad in the first place. And you arent going to pierce the bubbles of the genuinely ignorant by off rip calling them a bigot or misogynist. This incident need to do so is partly why we are losing people.

Right, so why don't their feelings and logic ever tear at them to the point where Trump struggles to maintain his ways?

And while many aren't hopeful for such changes, I'd say as long as a particular person still cares about others more than say their political alignment or target of bigotry, there is still a chance yes.

But selfishness and apathy even without bigotry, can that still be changed? Have to have some good to bring something forward.

Really empathy should be Kindergarten mathematics, and well? Anytime a bigot is treated poorly, none of them such it up. No rather they abide by the rules for thee not for me approach. So why would anyone think being a second class citizen is serviceable at all?

TLDR, These people are not going anywhere. So we do need to actually find a way to reach these people, and the current strategy of just generalizing all of them while refusing to adapt a new marketing/messaging has only been our downfall.

Maybe, but part of the problem is too many of them are still content, happy.

And as I ask with never being answered, why are people 100% down with holding kids and teens to high standards while expecting to be treated more leniency themselves. Kind of like the whole "life isn't fair" crowd complaining when things aren't fair for them in fact.

ellis123 posted...

Do not confuse an individual with a movement. Christians are perfectly fine, Christianity has had very questionable actions throughout its history. Your personal experiences do not negate the actions of the many others that were not in your personal bubble. The US wasn't unique, those sort of actions were and are everywhere with the main difference being just how open they have become in America in accepting the filth.

maybe? my point is that Christianity here in America has been very cult-like in my experience compared to what I grew up with. I'm not gonna defend Christianity in general, that's not my wheelhouse.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

They're afraid, as white people, of losing their status in society if white people are no longer the majority. That's why they want to deport as non-white people as possible and why they want white women having more babies.

And non-Hispanic whites are still like 60% of the country. Wait another 20 years until it becomes closer to 50/50. Trumpism will seem like child's play compared to the racial hostility we'll see when whites are no longer a clear majority.

Lack of empathy.

Part of the problem is also that prior to 2016, we had more good faith for better or ill and even expecting someone like Trump to get some votes figured it would be painfully small with the mass treating him like a rejected clown.

Or alternatively, back in the early 2010s, some like myself thought that homphobia was based on genuine concerns however stupid.

But you have people who claim opposition to gay rights for example is for the safety of children who I doubt were unaware of Donald "I would totally date my hot daughter" Trump.

Or people who violate everything religious except that lying with another man is wrong. But these people claim the rules are absolute.

And I doubt that it's obscure knowledge that people claiming to look out for kid or serve God can be morally duplicitous.

So yeah, if good faith was the solution, then why didn't it serve us before 2016/2017?

I voted yes, based on what I know about christians.

If you ever observe me expressing a sentiment along the lines of, "mighty christian of you", know that it is not a compliment.