If given the option, which Ace Attorney case would you have scrapped/rewritten?

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paulg235
06/29/2023
06:22 PM
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If given the option, which Ace Attorney case would you have scrapped/rewritten?










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Since Leonhart is on one of his Ace Attorney polling kicks, let's cover a topic that he probably isn't planning a poll on (at least not that I'm aware of). A lot of people have at least one case in the series which they'ed prefer either didn't exist or was something else entirely. So if you had the option, which one in particular stands out in needing at least a rewrite, if not completely being binned. If people want to list more than one in the comments, sure that works too. I think I have covered the ones that are generally considered the worst of the lot by most people (at least out of the main series and Edgeworth games, I haven't played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles yet so can't comment on them).

For me personally, its probably one of E1-2 and E1-3 just solely because after playing through both of them back to back, I quickly lost interest in the game early on into the next case and could never be bothered to get back into playing. So rewriting or having a completely different case that is actually good for one of them might have kept me playing. 4-3 and 4-4 are also in need of being scrapped and replaced and are probably the right answer out of all of them.
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PrinceKaro
06/29/2023
06:24 PM
#2
Turnabout Big Top needed to be sealed in 10 cubic feet of solid lead and dropped into the mariana trench so that one
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LeonhartFour
06/29/2023
06:24 PM
#3
4-3 is probably the easiest case to rewrite to be less stupid than it is because its biggest problem is how stupid its logic is

also rewrite 1-5 to retcon Meekins out of existence
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KamikazePotato
06/29/2023
06:26 PM
#4
Where's the option for 'all of Apollo Justice'
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Paratroopa1
06/29/2023
06:28 PM
#5
4-4 and 5-5 are my picks for what I would want to rewrite - both games dropped the ball pretty hard imo
Underleveled
06/29/2023
06:32 PM
#6
I can't believe it's not on the poll, but 3-3 can get the fuck out. Put the Tres Bien music, Phoenix's clever "gotcha," and Viola Cadaverini in some other case that isn't filled with ugly, unintelligible characters and a completely pointless Day 1.
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XIII_Rocks
06/29/2023
06:33 PM
#7
6-4, because I've never been more infuriated by the existence of a prosecutor. The minute I saw Nahyuta was on the other side of the courtroom is the only time I got legitimately angry at this series. It's one thing to be a bad, annoying character and by far the series' worst prosecutor, it's another to completely overexpose that bad character in a situation where he has no fucking need to be there.

I've never properly played 4 or the Edgeworth games so any irritation towards those is second-hand. So yeah I'd rewrite 6-4 and just replace Nahyuta with like, fucking anyone (Klavier, why not. An empty void. I don't care).
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Kenri
06/29/2023
06:34 PM
#8
This is a tough one.

2-1 is by far my least favorite case. Utterly irredeemable. But it's short and largely irrelevant to the rest of the game/series so you don't actually gain much from fixing it.

4-4 is the next obvious choice but I feel like the poison runs deeper than just 4-4. You'd have to fix all four of that game's cases to really solve the biggest issues.

After that...

LeonhartFour posted...
4-3 is probably the easiest case to rewrite to be less stupid than it is because its biggest problem is how stupid its logic is
I think I'm leaning this way too. 5-3 isn't on the poll but would be another easy one to fix because all you really have to do is write Robin with 2023 sensibilities instead of 2013 sensibilities.

...honestly 4-2 could also stand to just have the whole panty thief plot line changed into something else so that's a contender too.
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Paratroopa1
06/29/2023
06:35 PM
#9
3-3 is a candidate for rewriting but the only thing I would rewrite is the timeframe - I think the case works much better if Phoenix investigates the DAY after the sham trial, instead of waiting a MONTH to get around to it.
Kenri
06/29/2023
06:35 PM
#10
XIII_Rocks posted...
6-4, because I've never been more infuriated by the existence of a prosecutor. The minute I saw Nahyuta was on the other side of the courtroom is the only time I got legitimately angry at this series. It's one thing to be a bad, annoying character and by far the series' worst prosecutor, it's another to completely overexpose that bad character in a situation where he has no fucking need to be there.

I've never properly played 4 or the Edgeworth games so any irritation towards those is second-hand. So yeah I'd rewrite 6-4 and just replace Nahyuta with like, fucking anyone (Klavier, why not. An empty void. I don't care).
Oh yeah, I like this case overall but you raise a great point. why the fuck was that not klavier. or franziska. or yes, fucking anyone else.
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LeonhartFour
06/29/2023
06:36 PM
#11
Yeah, the only thing 3-3 needs to change is how quickly the retrial happens because it's dumb that literally nobody has cleaned up anything from what happened a month later
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Crescent-Moon
06/29/2023
06:36 PM
#12
Underleveled posted...
I can't believe it's not on the poll, but 3-3 can get the fuck out. Put the Tres Bien music, Phoenix's clever "gotcha," and Viola Cadaverini in some other case that isn't filled with ugly, unintelligible characters and a completely pointless Day 1.
Viola is the best thing in 3-3 by a mile and they really succeed in making her a sympathetic character.

It certainly belongs on this list, though I'd go with 4-4 for being such a horribly botched "epic" case.
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UshiromiyaEva
06/29/2023
06:38 PM
#13
Voted 6-4 before seeing the submit your own option, because my actual answer is G1-5. And the rewrite would be to remove it. And remove G1-4, that's not a rewrite because there's nothing of value to begin with. Really just take out those 2 cases and make it one super long game.

I don't want to go into detail because thinking about this case just makes me mad.

THE DOOR IN THE CUTSCENE HAS A HANDLE ON IT.

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KamikazePotato
06/29/2023
06:38 PM
#14
I'm dead serious about rewriting all of Apollo Justice by the way. People are softer on the game now Ace Attorney has had a revival, but let's not pretend that it didn't come dangerously close to killing the entire series.
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LeonhartFour
06/29/2023
06:40 PM
#15
KamikazePotato posted...
I'm dead serious about rewriting all of Apollo Justice by the way. People are softer on the game now Ace Attorney has had a revival, but let's not pretend that it didn't come dangerously close to killing the entire series.

Oh, I think people were convinced AA5 was never happening.

But it's now been longer since AA6 than the gap between AA4 and AA5!
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paulg235
06/29/2023
06:40 PM
#16
KamikazePotato posted...
Where's the option for 'all of Apollo Justice'
I might make a followup poll a couple of days from now to cover entire games, but was hoping putting the last two cases would suffice. I know people hate 4-2 and even 4-1 to a lesser extent.

Underleveled posted...
I can't believe it's not on the poll, but 3-3 can get the fuck out.
Was considering adding it in but had to make way for other contenders. That case at least has a few things going for it to slightly make up for the bad stuff.
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trdl23
06/29/2023
06:41 PM
#17
KamikazePotato posted...
Where's the option for 'all of Apollo Justice'

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LeonhartFour
06/29/2023
06:42 PM
#18
actually Apollo Justice has the easiest fix of them all

just make Hobonix an original character and not Phoenix Wright
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KamikazePotato
06/29/2023
06:52 PM
#19
LeonhartFour posted...
Oh, I think people were convinced AA5 was never happening.

But it's now been longer since AA6 than the gap between AA4 and AA5!
Ending the series on AA6 would feel significantly better than ending on AA4 imo.
It's Reyn Time.
Mewtwo59
06/29/2023
06:58 PM
#20
LeonhartFour posted...
actually Apollo Justice has the easiest fix of them all

just make Hobonix an original character and not Phoenix Wright

It had a lot more issues than just that.
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LeonhartFour
06/29/2023
07:00 PM
#21
KamikazePotato posted...
Ending the series on AA6 would feel significantly better than ending on AA4 imo.

Yeah, it does feel like a natural ending point, if nothing else.

Mewtwo59 posted...
It had a lot more issues than just that.

Oh, it does, but many of them are much less worse without Hobonix being Phoenix Wright. Character assassination is its biggest crime.
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hombad46
06/29/2023
07:00 PM
#22
Voted for 4-4 but I want to give a dishonorable mention to E2-5. It goes on like 3 hours too long and it somehow managed to make me bored of assassins
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WarThaNemesis2
06/29/2023
07:02 PM
#23
4-4 is the only answer here, because Apollo and Trucy being siblings but nobody is ever going to tell them is worse than the worst parts of every other case combined.
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KamikazePotato
06/29/2023
07:11 PM
#24
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
4-4 is the only answer here, because Apollo and Trucy being siblings but nobody is ever going to tell them is worse than the worst parts of every other case combined.
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Haste_2
06/29/2023
07:14 PM
#25
5-5 is an excellent case overall, but I would choose that one because the ending stinks so badly and could so easily be re-written.
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HaRRicH
06/29/2023
07:14 PM
#26
First thought was the ending to Dual Destinies.
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LeonhartFour
06/29/2023
07:15 PM
#27
I wonder how many AA fans ship Apollo/Trucy because they never learned or just totally forgot they're siblings

(probably not as many as ship them because they're siblings)
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Haste_2
06/29/2023
07:20 PM
#28
GJ, HaRRicH!

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"You drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
Raka_Putra
06/29/2023
07:25 PM
#29
Out of the listed ones, 4-3.

But dishonorable mention to E1-5 which also runs overly long but with less interesting characters than E2-5.
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Strife2
06/29/2023
07:35 PM
#30
6-4, because what better way to give Athena a case then by being complete shit. Athena was so good in 5, so the next game just says, "Yeah, fuck that noise. All she gets is some lame ass non-starter."
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UshiromiyaEva
06/29/2023
07:41 PM
#31
The future deserved lead of the next Ace Attorney Trilogy deserves better than 6-4.
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swirIdude
06/29/2023
08:56 PM
#32
KamikazePotato posted...
Where's the option for 'all of Apollo Justice'

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Crescent-Moon
06/29/2023
09:01 PM
#33
LeonhartFour posted...
Yeah, it does feel like a natural ending point, if nothing else.

Oh, it does, but many of them are much less worse without Hobonix being Phoenix Wright. Character assassination is its biggest crime.
Hobonix almost killed the entire franchise and only when AA5 came out did I finally push myself to get through AA4.
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BlueCrystalTear
06/29/2023
09:10 PM
#34
I don't quite know why they thought Miek Meekins was funny. He's obnoxious at his worst and boring at his best.

Crescent-Moon posted...
Hobonix almost killed the entire franchise and only when AA5 came out did I finally push myself to get through AA4.
I never even beated 4-2. I'd heard what B8 had said and just didn't bother getting into that case. I just jumped to 5-1 and managed to pick it up just fine.

UshiromiyaEva posted...
The future deserved lead of the next Ace Attorney Trilogy deserves better than 6-4.
6-4 was impossible for me to believe in the localization. It's so blatantly Japanese that none of it adds up, though it's awesome that we got to see some Athena and Blackquill in a funny case. But that's really all that it has going for it. And by that point, Nahyuta has just gotten tiresome, so to see him again sucks.

I really hope that, if they make AA7, it's focused on Athena. She deserves what AA6 gave Apollo.
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Leonhart4
06/29/2023
09:11 PM
#35
UshiromiyaEva posted...
The future deserved lead of the next Ace Attorney Trilogy deserves better than 6-4.

I mean Apollo had to head up 4-2 AND 4-3 and it turned out okay for him
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NFUN
06/29/2023
09:12 PM
#36
hobonix is good and so is 6-4 smokebomb
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UshiromiyaEva
06/29/2023
09:13 PM
#37
BlueCrystalTear posted...
6-4 was impossible for me to believe in the localization. It's so blatantly Japanese that none of it adds up, though it's awesome that we got to see some Athena and Blackquill in a funny case. But that's really all that it has going for it. And by that point, Nahyuta has just gotten tiresome, so to see him again sucks.

As someone who has watched and read a signifact number of excellent rakugo anime and manga, knowing what the references and mannerism are about does not help the case suck any less.
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Strife2
06/29/2023
09:41 PM
#38
Balloon animal clown girl does not a good case make, because she must contend with rakugo and noodles. Somedays, I wish the localization would just give up the U.S. pretense and say it's set in Japan. However, having to cite 5-2 as a silly ass theme park in the mountains of California...sure. It "could" exist. But probably doesn't. It's be like that Gargoyles episode where that weird Japanese guy tried to make a fucking Disney theme park with gargoyles. At least they had the balls to say their boat landed in Tokyo.

Maybe it's because I just got done watching Kabukicho Sherlock or something. Rakugo sounds like something super fucking weird to base a case around.
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azuarc
06/29/2023
09:59 PM
#39
I've only played the trilogy, but of those, 3-3 for character reasons, followed by 1-3 for playability issues. I don't have a big problem with 2-3; nothing in game 2 is exceptional, but 2-3 isn't so bad that is deserves the hate it seems to generate.
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Janus5k
06/29/2023
10:06 PM
#40
I assume 4-0 is included in 4-4, which makes 4-4 an extremely easy vote

Bad logic and annoying characters eventually pass but that one was just damaging.
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Leonhart4
06/29/2023
10:10 PM
#41
Japanifornia forever
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SeabassDebeste
06/29/2023
10:15 PM
#42
4-4 by far. MASON is great but 4-0 is a canon-damaging travesty and day 2 is miserable.
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colliding
06/30/2023
12:53 PM
#43
4-4, but also 1-2 deserves some consideration. With just a smidge of tweaking that case goes from disappointing to powerful.
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Underleveled
06/30/2023
12:57 PM
#44
azuarc posted...
2-3 isn't so bad that is deserves the hate it seems to generate.
I agree. It's certainly a low-tier case but it's not so loathsome that it deserves the vitriol it gets.

Anyway I've been rewatching the anime lately and anime 2-3 is actually a gigantic improvement and Moe is legit one of the best characters in the whole anime.
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Strife2
06/30/2023
02:30 PM
#45
It's only good when Acro shows up. Until then, fucking hell.
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hombad46
06/30/2023
02:34 PM
#46
colliding posted...
4-4, but also 1-2 deserves some consideration. With just a smidge of tweaking that case goes from disappointing to powerful.

1-2 could've been an epic case if they wanted it to be, but it was a tutorial case instead. For a guy that has dirt on everyone and controls the law to the point he can just have Phoenix arrested out of nowhere, Redd White of Bluecorp sure when down easy.
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Kenri
06/30/2023
03:07 PM
#47
Yeah on second thought I think I agree with 1-2. That one was a real letdown despite (and because of) the stakes.
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MacArrowny
06/30/2023
03:33 PM
#48
2-3 suffers from being the least liked case in the original trilogy (not counting trifling tutorial cases) in terms of general opinion. Was considered the worst case for years, until AJ came out.
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Underleveled
06/30/2023
03:35 PM
#49
It's hard for me to hate tutorial cases because they're so short and serve their purpose well. 2-1 has an obnoxious villain but that's the worst thing about any of the ones I've played.
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Crescent-Moon
06/30/2023
03:41 PM
#50
2-3 isn't even the worst case in it's game. 2-1 isn't just the villain, it's one of those cases where even a slightly competent police force realizes how obvious a frame job it is within seconds.

1-2 was a disaster for a variety of reasons, and Redd White was one of them. This guy had all sorts of epic villain powers and the case just... Suddenly ends with him rolling over and dying. Also a guy like him is never going to commit murder himself, he has people to do that for him.

2-3 isn't good, but it tries to be a "fun case" that stands out and I don't totally hold it against it. Most of the plot is asinine though, and Acro fails as a sympathetic villain.
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