If we factor in sales then it should be noted that Dragon Quest 1 sold 3 million on NES, which is not that far from 3s so its not like a FFVII situation where one game towers over the others. More importantly, Dragon Quest 1 sold MUCH better than 3 in North America at a stonking 1.5 million copies, of which a million were part of a subscription deal with Nintendo Power which is itself pretty notable. Even excluding that though it still outsold 3 in North America roughly five to one. The popularity of 3 was driven purely by Japan, while 1 was more of a global hit.
edit: anyone putting dragon quest 3 over dragon quest 1 is just wrong if they are going the "most influential jrpg" routeNo its definitely 3. Unless youre arguing FF1 is more influential than FF7 because it was first
If we factor in sales then it should be noted that Dragon Quest 1 sold 3 million on NES, which is not that far from 3s so its not like a FFVII situation where one game towers over the others. More importantly, Dragon Quest 1 sold MUCH better than 3 in North America at a stonking 1.5 million copies, of which a million were part of a subscription deal with Nintendo Power which is itself pretty notable. Even excluding that though it still outsold 3 in North America roughly five to one. The popularity of 3 was driven purely by Japan, while 1 was more of a global hit.Yeah but its influence was specifically on the JRPG genre, which werent really developed in the west for a long time so Im not sure why getting 1 million sales thanks to a magazine makes it comparable
Maybe Zelda 1 missed out, too, but I specifically remember Mario 1 being mentioned as having enough nominations to make the bracket and not getting in.
No its definitely 3. Unless youre arguing FF1 is more influential than FF7 because it was first
The Dragon Quest 3 discussion feels like when people try to give some random artist from the 60s credit for creating rock forgetting that a lot of pieces were in place around that given artist.
I'm not saying it had no importance at all but I'm skeptical it was super important for console rpgs to exist. Normally I'd just say "well must be a Japan thing" but we got people comparing it to FF7 or SMB3 in this topic and I know that isn't right.
Normally I'd just say "well must be a Japan thing"In Japan DQ3 is culturally the most important (or 2nd-most important after FF7) JRPG to ever exist. It influenced LOTS of things. This goes beyond games - lots of other fantasy media, especially manga and anime, take all their cues from Dragon Quest III to this day.
I just think if you're comparing DQ3 to SMB3 or FF7 you're just warning me your argument needs to be taken with a lot of salt. That's all.In terms of influence on its genre DQ3 is more important to the development of JPRGs than SMB3 was to the development of platformers. Full stop. SMB3 is probably the more popular game overall, obviously, but in terms of genre importance, there were a lot of platformers on the NES, including SMB1 and 2 different SMB2s.
In terms of influence on its genre DQ3 is more important to the development of JPRGs than SMB3 was to the development of platformers. Full stop. SMB3 is probably the more popular game overall, obviously, but in terms of genre importance, there were a lot of platformers on the NES, including SMB1 and 2 different SMB2s.
In terms of influence on its genre DQ3 is more important to the development of JPRGs than SMB3 was to the development of platformers. Full stop. SMB3 is probably the more popular game overall, obviously, but in terms of genre importance, there were a lot of platformers on the NES, including SMB1 and 2 different SMB2s.
What did Dragon Quest 3 introduce that FF1 had not alreadyDQ3 is the first game to have Classes be what JRPGs use them as today - skillsets where you can swap in and out of them, building your own ideal team. Notably, all of the class based FF games like 3 or 5 are using this system, rather than FF1's, which is really just picking 4 characters at the start of the game but not being able to change them on the fly or influence their growth.
DQ3 is the first game to have Classes be what JRPGs use them as today - skillsets where you can swap in and out of them, building your own ideal team. Notably, all of the class based FF games like 3 or 5 are using this system, rather than FF1's, which is really just picking 4 characters at the start of the game but not being able to change them on the fly or influence their growth.
In terms of influence on its genre DQ3 is more important to the development of JPRGs than SMB3 was to the development of platformers. Full stop. SMB3 is probably the more popular game overall, obviously, but in terms of genre importance, there were a lot of platformers on the NES, including SMB1 and 2 different SMB2s.
Oh Im not sure FF makes it onto the SNES Rushmore. Tough competition.I mean, I assume there will be A JRPG there. But whether it's FF, Chrono Trigger, or maybe Earthbound remains to be seen.
Oh Im not sure FF makes it onto the SNES Rushmore. Tough competition.
Oh Im not sure FF makes it onto the SNES Rushmore. Tough competition.What, do you think most of us won't just put four JRPGs on the SNES (and PS1) Rushmore?
DQ3 is the first game to have Classes be what JRPGs use them as today - skillsets where you can swap in and out of them, building your own ideal team. Notably, all of the class based FF games like 3 or 5 are using this system, rather than FF1's, which is really just picking 4 characters at the start of the game but not being able to change them on the fly or influence their growth.In addition to this, Dragon Quest 3 set the standard for overall world/environment gameplay design. This is something that's difficult to describe but becomes apparent if you play the game and compare it to what came after. The overall ebb and flow of JRPG pacing comes mostly from DQ3.
"Somebody would've invented it later anyway" isn't a viable counterargument
Super Mario Bros
Mega Man 2
Super Mario Bros 3
Mike Tyson's Punch Out!!
Im going to argue that the sleeper pick on the SNES in terms of being influential on the future is Super Metroid, which I think def belongs over DKC.
I mean I get it but not having a SNES RPG feels wrong given how many good ones came out on the systemyou can make you're own choices. you don't have to pick the games other people tell you to
maybe the right game to cut is Super Mario World then