What four visual novels belong on the Visual Novels Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER

Write a scenario for an Ace Attorney case

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Title: "The Fateful Farewell"

Scenario:

It's a humid summer day in the bustling city of Lysander. The courtroom is abuzz with anticipation as the trial of the century is about to begin. The defendant, renowned philanthropist and CEO of Lysander Enterprises, Mr. Gregory Hawthorne, sits stoically at the defense bench. The prosecution, led by the formidable prosecutor, Sylvia Frost, prepares to present their case.

Background:

The victim, Veronica Vale, was an esteemed journalist investigating allegations of corruption within Hawthorne's company. Her expos was set to be published the day she was found dead in her apartment, poisoned with cyanide-laced coffee. The evidence points to Hawthorne, who vehemently denies any involvement.

Key Witnesses:

Maxwell Reed: Veronica's editor at The Lysander Gazette, who can testify to her investigation and the threats she received.
Dr. Isabelle Stone: The forensic expert who conducted the autopsy and found traces of cyanide in Veronica's system.
Natalie Hawthorne: The defendant's daughter, who claims to have seen her father near Veronica's apartment on the night of the murder.

Twists and Turns:

The Blackmail: It's revealed that Veronica was not only investigating the corruption within Hawthorne's company but also had evidence of his extramarital affair with a prominent politician's wife. The defense argues that Veronica was blackmailing Hawthorne, giving him a motive to silence her.
The Alibi: Hawthorne's alibi is shaky, but his assistant provides video footage placing him at a charity event during the time of the murder. However, the prosecution alleges that Hawthorne could have easily slipped away unnoticed.
The Frame-Up: A mysterious figure is seen leaving Veronica's apartment on the night of the murder, wearing a disguise. The defense argues that Hawthorne was framed by someone who wanted to tarnish his reputation and destroy his company.

Dramatic Conclusion:

As Phoenix Wright, the defense attorney, presents his closing arguments, he unveils the true mastermind behind Veronica's murder. With a stunning revelation and airtight evidence, Wright proves Hawthorne's innocence and exposes the real killerthe politician whose wife was being blackmailed by Veronica. The courtroom erupts in shock and disbelief as the true culprit is led away in handcuffs.

Verdict:

Mr. Gregory Hawthorne is acquitted of all charges, and justice is served for Veronica Vale. The case is closed, but the echoes of this fateful farewell will linger in the minds of all involved for years to come.

dowolf posted...

on is that DDLC is generally disliked by a lot of the Japanese-speaking community not because it's bad, but because to them it's not fresh and new and the English-only community was treating it as fresh and new.

ah my personal pet peeve when it came to undertale all those years back. i understand this.

I guess whether it's "redundant" depends on how you view the Rushmore

When I say redundant, I mean that you're basically all pulling from a similar slice in time in the 2000s rather than a more diverse representation of the history. If you don't care about that or think that their impact is great enough that it overrides it (as I ultimately did) then yeah it may not.

Thorn posted...

When I say redundant, I mean that you're basically all pulling from a similar slice in time in the 2000s rather than a more diverse representation of the history. If you don't care about that or think that their impact is great enough that it overrides it (as I ultimately did) then yeah it may not.

Ah. Hmm yeah that's a fair point. For better or for worse I'm not really familiar with pre-2000 VN's (it doesn't help that many of them are really hard to run on modern PCs), there was a broad stretch of moeblob everywhere where I didn't like much of what was coming out, and I do think for something like this that you shouldn't include things in, say, the last 5 years where it's hard to really know their long-term impact. (Also I don't really follow the modern scene much at all.) Like, Lessons in Love is my actual favorite dempa VN but it's being released serially and for all I know it won't stick the landing or will never be finished or w/e.

Write a scenario for an Ace Attorney and Fate/Stay Night crossover entitled "Fate/Ace Attorney"

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Title: Fate/Ace Attorney

Scenario:

In the bustling city of Fuyuki, where the Holy Grail War is about to commence, a series of mysterious murders has shaken the community. The victims all seem to have a connection to the upcoming ritual, sparking fear and chaos among the participants and civilians alike.

Enter Phoenix Wright, a rookie defense attorney with a knack for uncovering the truth, who finds himself unexpectedly thrust into the heart of this enigmatic case. With his trusty assistant, Maya Fey, by his side, Phoenix is determined to defend the innocent and uncover the secrets hidden within Fuyuki.

Meanwhile, in the shadows, the legendary magus, Emiya Shirou, finds himself accused of one of the murders. Desperate to clear his name and protect those he cares about, Shirou seeks the help of Rin Tohsaka, a skilled mage and prosecutor known for her unwavering determination.

As Phoenix delves deeper into the case, he encounters familiar faces from the Fate universe, including Saber, Archer, and Caster, each with their own motives and secrets to protect. With the fate of Fuyuki hanging in the balance, Phoenix and Shirou must join forces to unravel the truth behind the murders and confront the dark forces lurking in the shadows.

With courtroom battles that transcend time and space, "Fate/Ace Attorney" promises to deliver a thrilling crossover experience where justice and magic collide. Can Phoenix and Shirou uncover the truth before it's too late, or will the secrets of the Holy Grail War remain forever shrouded in darkness?

Thorn posted...

ah my personal pet peeve when it came to undertale all those years back. i understand this.

From what I've seen, Undertale and DDLC are two of the more-loved western indie games in Japan!

FL81 posted...

From what I've seen, Undertale and DDLC are two of the more-loved western indie games in Japan!

oh my pet peeve was more over (Undertale) people acting like Undertale's meta nature/twist was new when it totally isn't!

More of a fandom complaint than the game itself.

Undertale is fairly well liked, but the games it's pulling from (like Moon RPG Remix) didn't exactly sell like hotcakes in Japan either.

DDLC certainly isn't hated in Japan, but at the same time it isn't put on a pedestal either. I'd look up the exact reception but I am at work and it turns out they have very nsfw banner ads on the main JP-language VN rating site (whoops). (edit: found a way around that, looks like it has a 76. A good score, nothing outstanding.)

dowolf posted...

Undertale is fairly well liked, but the games it's pulling from (like Moon RPG Remix) didn't exactly sell like hotcakes in Japan either.

DDLC certainly isn't hated in Japan, but at the same time it isn't put on a pedestal either. I'd look up the exact reception but I am at work and it turns out they have very nsfw banner ads on the main JP-language VN rating site (whoops).

I mean, it's not like it's that well regarded by western VN fans either. Ranked 4057 on vndb.

I usually hate using this example since my mom is a life-long gamer who plays new releases, but she doesn't know anything about VNs and knows what DDLC is.

DDLC is by far the most popular VN in the west. Highest playrate + very well-regarded.

MacArrowny posted...

I mean, it's not like it's that well regarded by western VN fans either. Ranked 4057 on vndb.

200k Steam reviews with an Overwhelmingly Positive rating matters a lot more than VNDB. Which doesn't even count the tons of people that experienced it through a Lets Play.

Snake5555555555 posted...

I usually hate using this example since my mom is a life-long gamer who plays new releases, but she doesn't know anything about VNs and knows what DDLC is.

well that is the other side of things, right? Most VNs and certainly most of the stuff DDLC draws from are 18+ and that's going to alienate a lot of potential fans. DDLC is not.

Like Steam vs. VNDB is exactly that: steam reviews from people who've never read anything like it and are blown away, VNDB reviews from people who know other things in its genre to compare it against.

Phoenix Wright and TokiMemo are objectively not visual novels, they have their own genre designations. Its like saying Pac-Man and Wizardry are the same genre because the main thing you do in each is navigate a maze

Does the School Days VN have a bunch of crazy endings too?

dowolf posted...

Like Steam vs. VNDB is exactly that: steam reviews from people who've never read anything like it and are blown away, VNDB reviews from people who know other things in its genre to compare it against.

Setting quality aside (I think the game is good but don't feel like debating it), DDLC earns a Rushmore spot through sheer popularity alone and helping to introduce new fans. I don't think it really matters whether the original VN core fanbase spurned DDLC because that fanbase is miniscule.

WazzupGenius00 posted...

Phoenix Wright and TokiMemo are objectively not visual novels, they have their own genre designations. Its like saying Pac-Man and Wizardry are the same genre because the main thing you do in each is navigate a maze

Yeah I'mma die on the hill that Ace Attorney isn't a VN, but these days it seems like anything with dialogue boxes gets the VN tag on Steam so we're definitely fighting a losing battle

Write a scenario for an Ace Attorney/Steins;Gate crossover entitled "Ace;Attorney"

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Title: Ace;Attorney

Scenario:

In the bustling streets of Akihabara, a peculiar collaboration arises between two unlikely worlds: the high-stakes courtroom drama of Ace Attorney and the mind-bending time-travel adventure of Steins;Gate.

It all begins when Phoenix Wright, the renowned defense attorney, receives a mysterious package at his office. Inside, he finds a curious device labeled "Future Gadget #12: Time Leap Machine." Confused but intrigued, Phoenix decides to investigate its origins.

Meanwhile, in the eccentric laboratory of Rintarou Okabe, the self-proclaimed "mad scientist," a similar discovery unfolds. Amidst his experiments with time travel, Okabe stumbles upon a legal document from the future, detailing a wrongful conviction that will devastate the lives of many.

As fate would have it, Phoenix and Okabe's paths intertwine when Phoenix's client, accused of a seemingly impossible murder, claims to have witnessed the crime from the future. Sensing a connection to the Time Leap Machine, Phoenix seeks Okabe's expertise in unraveling the truth behind the enigmatic device.

Together, Phoenix and Okabe embark on a thrilling journey through time and courtroom battles, facing off against formidable adversaries who will stop at nothing to protect their secrets. Along the way, they encounter familiar faces from both worlds, including Maya Fey, Miles Edgeworth, Kurisu Makise, and Daru Hashida, each bringing their unique skills to the table.

As the layers of deception are peeled away, Phoenix and Okabe uncover a conspiracy that spans across time and dimensions, challenging their beliefs and testing the limits of their resolve. Will they be able to uncover the truth and deliver justice, or will the forces working against them prove too powerful to overcome?

In Ace;Attorney, the courtroom is their battleground, and time is their greatest ally.

KamikazePotato posted...

200k Steam reviews with an Overwhelmingly Positive rating matters a lot more than VNDB. Which doesn't even count the tons of people that experienced it through a Lets Play.

And how many of those are from VN fans, the community I was talking about?

i don't disagree that it's good, but also 8/10 sounds about right to me. I also do think genre impact needs to matter, which it sounds like you disagree with me on. Which is fine >_>

As for Ace Attorney, the dividing line for me is something like "Do I have freedom of movement in 2D or 3D spaces, or am I interacting solely with text?" Ace Attorney is solely text, so it counts. AAI would not count under that definition, though.

Leonhart4 posted...

Write a scenario for an Ace Attorney/Steins;Gate crossover entitled "Ace;Attorney"

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Title: Ace;Attorney

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dowolf posted...

I also do think genre impact needs to matter, which it sounds like you disagree with me on.

It matters, but popularity matters just as much, and DDLC is such an insane outlier in terms of widespread VN popularity that a Rushmore list wouldn't make sense without it.

MacArrowny posted...

And how many of those are from VN fans, the community I was talking about?

Excluding fans of DDLC as being 'real' fans because they weren't down in the trenches patching Fate/Stay Night in 2006 is a bit too elitist for my tastes. A piece of media managing to break its genre's glass ceiling and bring in a new audience is good .

KamikazePotato posted...

matters, but popularity matters just as much, and DDLC is such an insane outlier in terms of widespread VN popularity that a Rushmore list wouldn't make sense without it.

In that case, Fate/Grand Order absolutely deserves to be on here more than DDLC, since you could call it the most popular VN of all time. :p

KamikazePotato posted...

Excluding fans of DDLC as being 'real' fans because they weren't down in the trenches patching Fate/Stay Night in 2006 is a bit too elitist for my tastes. A piece of media managing to break its genre's glass ceiling and bring in a new audience is good.

I'm not. I think it's a great game! I was just talking about its reception in a similar context to how dowolf was.

Write a scenario for a crossover between Ace Attorney and Doki Doki Literature Club.

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Title: "Truth and Verse: A Doki Doki Ace Attorney Crossover"

Scenario:
In the bustling city of Tokyo, the courthouse was abuzz with the trial of the decade. Phoenix Wright, renowned defense attorney, found himself defending Sayori, a cheerful and seemingly innocent high school girl, accused of a crime she claims she didn't commit.

As Phoenix delved deeper into the case, he discovered unsettling truths about the world of Doki Doki Literature Club. Sayori's friends, Monika, Yuri, and Natsuki, each harbored dark secrets of their own. Monika, the club president, seemed to have an uncanny ability to manipulate reality itself, while Yuri's obsession with dark poetry hinted at a hidden darkness within her. Natsuki, the feisty baker, held onto a troubled past that threatened to unravel the fabric of the trial.

With the help of his assistant Maya Fey and the brilliant prosecutor Miles Edgeworth, Phoenix navigated through the tangled web of lies and poetry to uncover the truth behind Sayori's innocence. But as the trial progressed, strange occurrences began to happen both in and out of the courtroom. Characters started glitching, and reality seemed to warp around them.

As Phoenix presented evidence and cross-examined witnesses, he realized that the truth was more elusive than ever. Was Sayori truly innocent, or was there a darker force at play? With the fate of Sayori and the truth hanging in the balance, Phoenix and his allies must confront their own doubts and fears to unravel the mystery behind Doki Doki Literature Club and deliver justice once and for all.

In the end, as the truth was revealed and the glitching world stabilized, Phoenix Wright emerged victorious, proving Sayori's innocence and exposing the dark secrets of the literature club. But the experience left him questioning the nature of reality itself, and whether some truths are better left undiscovered.

i would be tempted to go "fuck it" and vote for Fate/Grand Order to the Rushmore if and only if I could constrain it to "Lostbelt 6" >_>

MacArrowny posted...

In that case, Fate/Grand Order absolutely deserves to be on here more than DDLC, since you could call it the most popular VN of all time. :p

I mean if people are going to vote for Phoenix Wright, sure why not! FGO is pretty much in the same ballpark.

Here's my thought experiment: can Blazblue be counted as a VN?

Persona 4 Arena's story mode is absolutely a VN

If you think about it VNs are really Metroidvania games. Progressing through the text unlocks more text to explore, and eventually you might have to backtrack to take a different route that you skipped earlier.

VectorAgent posted...

Hotel Dusk: Room 215

Also, even though I have almost no experience with the genre, Ill submit a nomination for a dating simulator games Rushmore.

making a note to add this nom when I get home

im in the middle of tallying now, 4th place is kind of close. If anyone wants to vote or change votes now would be a good time

Im done tallying (there are no votes on page 2 lmao)

there is a clear first place and a three way tie for second. Potentially the right vote or a change could fuck that all up and make a mega tiebreaker

ZenOfThunder posted...

(there are no votes on page 2 lmao)

You wanted discourse, you got discourse!

Write a scenario for a crossover between Ace Attorney and Persona 4

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In the bustling city of Inaba, where mysterious murders have been plaguing the town, a new attorney arrives from the bustling streets of Tokyo. Phoenix Wright finds himself entangled in the web of the Midnight Channel, a TV world where shadows manifest and secrets are laid bare. As he delves deeper into the investigation, he discovers the presence of a group of high school students with extraordinary abilities.

Meanwhile, in the TV world, Yu Narukami and his friends from Yasogami High are investigating the mysterious disappearances, only to find themselves accused of the crimes. With their backs against the wall, they are forced to defend themselves in court.

Phoenix and his assistant, Maya Fey, team up with Yu and his friends to uncover the truth behind the murders and the connection to the TV world. As they navigate through court trials and battles in the TV world, they uncover a sinister plot orchestrated by a powerful shadow manipulating events from the shadows.

With their combined investigative skills and courtroom prowess, Phoenix and the Persona users must work together to bring the true culprit to justice and put an end to the murders once and for all. Along the way, they forge unlikely friendships and uncover deep-seated truths about themselves and the town of Inaba.

(I like how every city in these scenarios is "bustling," even Inaba)

i would play the heck out of AA x P4.

These have been fantastic

Write a scenario where the main characters of Ace Attorney eat Mexican food together

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Phoenix Wright, Apollo Justice, and Athena Cykes found themselves taking a break from solving cases at a bustling Mexican restaurant in downtown Los Angeles. The aroma of spices filled the air as they settled into a cozy booth, ready to enjoy some delicious cuisine.

Phoenix, always up for trying something new, suggested they start with some traditional appetizers like guacamole and salsa. Apollo, with his love for bold flavors, eagerly agreed, while Athena, feeling adventurous, suggested they also order some jalapeo poppers for an extra kick.

As they waited for their food, they discussed their latest case, exchanging theories and brainstorming strategies. The lively conversation was interrupted by the arrival of their meal a colorful array of tacos, enchiladas, and burritos, each bursting with flavorful fillings.

Phoenix dove into his carne asada tacos with gusto, savoring every bite of the tender beef and tangy salsa. Apollo's eyes lit up as he tasted the spicy shrimp in his enchiladas, declaring them a new favorite. Athena, meanwhile, dug into her vegetarian burrito, enjoying the combination of beans, rice, and cheese.

Between bites, they shared stories from their past cases, laughing and reminiscing about the trials they had faced together. As the meal came to a close, they reflected on how much they valued their friendship and camaraderie, knowing that no matter what challenges lay ahead, they would always have each other's backs and delicious Mexican food to enjoy together.

(Now it's the restaurant that's bustling)