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I can't lie, after absolutely loving the first seven episodes of season 3 and then watching them absolutely shit the bed in the season finale, it was kind of hard to muster up any excitement for this season. But I will admit I still want to see things through even though I figure they'd be treading on some familiar ground ("oh no Homelander is just about to boil over, will he finally snap").

I finished the first three episodes released this week and they were... okay.

There's a sincere lack of shock value at this point when every previous season opened with some ridiculous death sequence or theme for the season establishing moment, and season 4 is really lacking in that really good hook. I don't need Frenchie and Kimiko running the same plotlines they've been doing for years now. Homelander making faces at a camera to show he's upset for the hundredth time. MM and Butcher at each other's throats but ultimately working together in key moments.

It feels like in many ways the show is in a horrible rut with it's main characters, save one fun little caveat: Butcher does seem to be experiencing real growth. Obviously getting faced with a fatal diagnosis, but you can see throughout the first 3 episodes how close he comes to falling into old habits (exploiting people around him so he can reach his end goal) and yet pulling back. The moments with Ryan are especially great because it now no longer feels like an obligation to Becca but a genuine desire to connect to the kid. That scene of him throwing out the cookies was such a nice touch when we think about where he was season 1.

Hughie and Starlight feel like they have less chemistry than ever. It's sad to see how well they played off each other in the first two seasons, then after going through their tensions in season 3, they just feel like they're obligated to be together. They lack the genuine interactions of the first season, then the growth of the second season. Instead its just "I guess they're back together." And Starlight not wanting to be the face of the charity she created is such a nothing plot point when they force her into it anyway a few episodes in.

Homelander is pretty much whatever for me at this point, but I will say I love how badly he's struggling with his relationship with Ryan. I feared the small smirk by Ryan at the end of season 3 would have him fully onboard with being Homelander Jr. So him getting worse and worse at being Ryan's father and him struggling to understand where he's going wrong is a nice touch. Especially when he recognizes right away how the people around him are doing nothing to help him with such. He knows he needs help, yet ego will always cause him to fail to actually heed advice from those who understand the world better than he does.

Sage is great because I love a machiavellian scheme where the goal is not readily apparently, and instead you kind of pick and sparse things to find a greater motivation. I also love how she lobotomizes herself so she can watch trash TV and eat junk food, and I'm curious how much that will come into play in future episodes.

Firecracker being essentially Stormfront but not a nazi is kind of boring, and her subplot with Starlight feels so forced. I guess maybe people complained too much about Starlight being treated like the only person who's sane/always right and so they gave her a... kind of out of character flaw (being incredibly hurtful towards other pageant girls when she was younger?).

New Black Noir is the highlight of the season so far and I laugh every time someone tells him to shut the fuck up.

The Deep is always the best portrayed character in the show. Chace Crawford just nailed this character down although its interesting to note that Sage was the first person to push him towards not being a pathetic loser and instead being capable of being as terrifying as any other awful superhero.

A-Train has always been my favorite character because of how much he struggles with how being a superhero pulls at him in all directions. I don't think he's worthy of getting a full fledged redemption arc, but he's the only member of the Seven with any sort of humanity. His general selfishness always wins out, but you see those brief glimpses of self-reflection where you realize he probably is a product of the influences around him more than a genuinely evil person. The sad part has always been he seems to fail in those critical moments and falls back into what matters most to him: the superhero life (and the wealth and fame that comes with it). I'm really hoping they let him stick the landing and not fall back to yet another "A-Train betrays the heroes at a critical moment" .... moment.

I could go into more but really the first three episodes are a lot of more of the same and after having a real chance to move into a new status quo last season, I find myself pretty bored with this so far.
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TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues.
I watched the first three. I get the criticisms but I am still enjoying the season. I do see this show now having a "loads of characters" problem, for as brash and bold as this show is with death and gore, it's been very afraid to kill off main or even recurring characters now and so many characters who used to be on the forefront like Ashley only get like one or two scenes per episode now. It makes the problem with plotlines spinning their wheels that much more obvious.

But yeah, still a really fun show and I feel like this season especially has not been afraid to just be blunt with the satire of modern-day politics.
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Have not watched the new season yet, which probably speaks a lot to my actual level of excitement for the show. I was counting down to release and then when it dropped I just... haven't checked it out yet. I do think that the problem, which I'm not the first to say, even in this topic, is their inability to kill off any characters. I already know where these plotlines are going because it's been the same for three seasons now. It started off so strong with them killing Translucent in the second episode of season one, and since then it's really just been deaths of characters that are introduced as the big bad, or even just someone there for an episode or two.
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Interesting that you disliked the s3 finale so much. Was that a common sentiment at the time?

I'm really enjoying the show as usual. I just think it's fantastic and never really wavered from being great.
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Waluigi1 posted...
Interesting that you disliked the s3 finale so much. Was that a common sentiment at the time?
For those of us tired of the Homelander plot who think it ran its course seasons ago, having the perfect opportunity to kill him and only not doing it for idiot ball reasons (and basically taking us back to the preseason status quo) was very frustrating.
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Waluigi1 posted...
Interesting that you disliked the s3 finale so much. Was that a common sentiment at the time?

Honestly don't know what the common sentiment was on it, just know it felt like such a letdown where everything got contorted into a way to not upset most of the status quo.

And then stuff like the handling of Black Noir's death.
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Denji posted...
For those of us tired of the Homelander plot who think it ran its course seasons ago, having the perfect opportunity to kill him and only not doing it for idiot ball reasons (and basically taking us back to the preseason status quo) was very frustrating.

I didn't want Homelander dead, but I feel like having him temporarily depowered by Soldier Boy would have been an excellent thread for season 4.
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Not killing Homelander was fucking criminal in the s3 finale yes. Don't write that situation if the way out of it is going to be so fuckin stupid
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I was pretty checked out at the end of S3 to the point i figured i was just done with the show. But yea ended up watching the first 3 and have actually enjoyed them. I'll second that the boys crew all have tired storylines to this point besides Butcher but everything to do with the 7 has kept me interested. While Homelander's thing is getting annoying at least him bringing in Sister Sage freshens it up for me enough (even though i see him just killing her at some point.) Rest of them are great even if i can see Firecrackers role getting old sooner rather than later.

The fact that it's confirmed the show will end at Season 5 also brought me back knowing that there will be an actual end to storylines rather than just an ongoing series. More media needs to have an actual end imo.
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XIII_Rocks posted...
Not killing Homelander was fucking criminal in the s3 finale yes. Don't write that situation if the way out of it is going to be so fuckin stupid

I mean we saw how Soldier Boy's blast can just de-power a supe, we didn't need to outright kill him.
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S3 finale was garbage. I don't need them to kill or even depower Homelander, but the entire last sequence was so very dumb and made to just reset the status quo. It was an entire season of build up just to end with everyone acting out of character because "kid". Not to mention the actual fight itself was lame compared to ones earlier in the season, most notably the fight against Homelander in the house.
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So Negan is totally a hallucination, right?
Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals.
XIII_Rocks posted...
So Negan is totally a hallucination, right?

I guess it's possible, but they've shown a close up of the weird brain worm thing when he was hallucinating Becca. Though they also showed the worm right before Ryan showed up, like he was sensing him, so it's kinda inconsistent what it means.

I'm not sure what would be the point in him being a hallucination.
Change is weird.
Hard to argue with much of what was said in the OP.
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XIII_Rocks posted...
So Negan is totally a hallucination, right?

It's possible but there are signs he isn't (like opening a door and Butcher pouring a drink for him).
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TheRock1525 posted...
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Lmao I love that it was her actual reaction
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Waluigi1 posted...

Lmao I love that it was her actual reaction

I was wondering why that reaction looked so real!
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For all my complaints so far, episode 4 was an absolutely amazing episode.

Even the two storylines I don't care for (Frenchie and Kimiko) had nice little moments.

I'm not familiar with the little worm dealie Butcher has going on but I heard it has something to do with Gen V?
TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues.
I've been loving the season. Sage is great, love everything going on with Butcher, real good moment with Ryan and the worm thing is the most interesting thing rn

complaint would be the Frenchie story because like man bro how are you in this situation

for this episode Hughie's mom sus as fuck yooo

also odds on A-Train making it to the final season? Outlook not so good
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I hope A-Train, or somebody , doesn't make it.

4 seasons into a show where people are murdered virtually every episode and the entire main cast is still around sans Maeve

it's stretching disbelief that Homelander doesn't just kill everyone anyway at this point
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Sister Sage and The Deep have by far the most refreshing dynamic of any of the main supporting cast right now. I'm digging the growth arcs A-Train, Butcher, and Frenchie are on right now. Kimiko's and Annie January's... not so much, but I'm curious if the show can turn them around and make me care again.

I also agree with most everyone that Homelander's same old shtick is getting a little tired. There's pretty much nothing he can do at this point that would actually surprise me so whenever he has one of his temper tantrums I'm just like sitting here like... again? Okay cool, whatever.

That said episode 4 was still pretty good. I thought it was easily the best of the season so far.
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I cannot take anything Annie does seriously after seeing this
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That ended up just being a prank or something
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Are Butcher's worms his power from V? Those worms gotta be something more than just killing him right? He Hulk'd out and kill Mister Fantastic for sure.
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GranzonEx posted...
Are Butcher's worms his power from V? Those worms gotta be something more than just killing him right? He Hulk'd out and kill Mister Fantastic for sure.
There was an episode of the Diabolical spinoff series that basically signposted where that plotline is going

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Gen V finished

ready for Season 4 next time I watch
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Snake5555555555 posted...
That ended up just being a prank or something
Yeah Erin probably has had some work done but nowhere near what the internet is claiming.
TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues.
It's *very* noticeable though. Like specifically with this latest episode, we saw a lot more of her and I kept thinking she looked strange, in a bad way. Shame, she was so naturally pretty.
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Who the fuck cares
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Who the fuck cares

incels
TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues.
I just think she looks uglier now and I'm gay lol
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I'm not quite sure what the show is expecting us to feel about the Frenchie plot. Not fucking the guy whose whole family you murdered is a very easy thing to do. Is the idea that he's doing it because he wants to torture himself over it? He can't forgive himself so he's punishing himself in the most fucked up way he can think of (while also doing even more damage to the actual victim)?
Change is weird.
I think it's the latter yeah.
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I think the Frenchie setup is so that Colin gives Firecracker some serious ammo against starlight and the boys. Starlight affiliate murders someones family isnt a great look
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I expect that Firecracker's largely served her purpose at this point. I think that would be a little too repetitive after what just happened.
Change is weird.
I think Frenchie's plot is just is just part of this season's theme of "everyone confronting their past" and this is the best they came up with.
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Denji posted...
I think Frenchie's plot is just is just part of this season's theme of "everyone confronting their past" and this is the best they came up with.

Yeah but dude been confronting his past for 4 seasons now.
TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues.
Look, Frenchie was the weakest member of the Boys in the comics and I respect that they've kept him the weakest member of the Boys in the show.
"It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful
episode 3 beated

A-Train face turn?!
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God what an amazing episode.

Like top 5 in the series. Fucking start to finish everything about it was great.
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best character in the series returns in episode 5

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That was silly and fun

Also I stand firm on my prediction from earlier
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some good diabolical smiles at the end of that episode
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so like yeah Negan definitely isn't real
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Why do you say that?
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Haven't seen him talk to anyone else, Butcher is having hallucinations, the guy at the end of the latest episode looked over to where Butcher was talking like 'wtf' when Butcher said 'we'
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Thought the season started off kinda weak but 4 and 5 were both great.
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