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AriaOfBolo posted...
oh he's been picking fights with me for like five topics now, I'm just waiting on the "enjoy the camps" really

Jfc I have never given any indication to you or anyone else of anything like this.
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
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kevwaffles posted...
Jfc I have never given any indication to you or anyone else of anything like this.

maybe try being better at life in the future
Renarima posted...
keep in mind they are the person who told me in the last topic "to stop failing at life" despite knowing zero about my life, or me being good or bad at life being relevant to the conversation, because they did not like my posts. they just wanna be smug.

I believe what you meant to say was "they didn't think your posts accomplished your goals".
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i said what i said
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The problem with this point of view, which I've pointed out a million times, is it is a self-defeating (well, assuming the self in question actually wants left wing actions) point of view.

The Left built a base of power twice that genuinely threatened the power structure of the Democratic Party. So much so, that the godfather of the Dems, or whatever you want to call Obama, literally (and this has been verified) rallied the party around Joe.

At the end of the day, Bernie failed twice, and his reward in 2020 was...um, what? Joe said he'd veto Medicare for All. When's the last time Kamala mentioned it? Immigration reform? The Dems are quite literally running on "we wanted to do Trump's policy but Republicans stopped us".

The alternative is dogshit and evil, yes, I don't know a single left person who would disagree with that, but the Dems have basically put themselves into a position where a single loss equals "death of the Republic". People have been sounding the alarm for years that this is unsustainable, and can you really disagree? Your entire project is based on "if we keep winning against our mortal enemies until they go away forever, then we can do what you want".

My friend, you don't get to claim the logical and moral highground when your stated position is basically magic.

When did this happen? I feel like you're talking about the 2020 primaries, but as has already been pointed out, during those first three primaries when Joe Biden lost, it's not like Bernie was an overwhelming winner and the "moderate Voltron" coalesced to pick anyone but him.

You can make any argument to want about whether Bernie would have won in 2016 (and I'll disagree with it), but at the very least, I can look at 2016 and say "This is a relative unknown who put up one helluva fight against one of the most well-known politicians in the country." To me, that says that Bernie, fresh off his lose in 2016 but with the benefit of hindsight, should have been the frontrunner in 2020. He had all that popularity from 2016, but NOW he's a household name AND people have seen how disastrous Trump is (plus COVID hit at the exact right time to make Bernie's policies seem ideal for the country).

What did we get though? In a massive field of candidates in which 90% were running on some sort of moderate platform compared to JUST Bernie and Warren running to the left, Bernie STILL did not take home those first few primaries decisively. For fuck's sake, I would think that if your candidate struggles to beat a nobody (at the time) like Mayor Pete, whose only political experience was being mayor of a single town...that SHOULD make you question just how much your policies actually resonate with voters. If Bernie was barely eking past Biden? Sure. Biden's a big name and it makes sense he'd give Bernie a challenge. But people in Iowa and New Hampshire didn't want Biden...so they voted in large numbers for a DIFFERENT moderate instead.

Why is it so hard to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE it's not a coordinated effort from the establishment that's out to get you? MAYBE your message just isn't connecting with people as much as you think it is? And maybe progressives need to self-reflect as to why they keep fucking losing beyond just blaming the establishment and repeating the same losing strategy over and over again. Say what you will about the Democratic Party as a whole being bad strategists, but at least they win SOMETIMES.
Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier.
Inviso
Why is it so hard to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE it's not a coordinated effort from the establishment that's out to get you?

because that is what happened, even if it would not have been necessary, that is literally what happened
Renarima posted...
because that is what happened, even if it would not have been necessary, that is literally what happened

If it wouldn't have been necessary, then that's still a failing on the progressive end of things, and that's still a problem progressives need to solve.
Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier.
Inviso
well how would we know because that is what happened

and then you guys pretended joe biden was fine for 4 years despite everyone knowing he was not fine, kicked him out by force after the primaries were over, and anointed a candidate with no say. now if she wins they get no input from progressives for 8 more years.

wonder why they hate you guys
It's hard to take your take seriously when you emphasize "WOW he STRUGGLED AGAINST PETE?!" in the same event where the eventual winner placed an extremely anemic 4th.

Inviso posted...
Why is it so hard to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE it's not a coordinated effort from the establishment that's out to get you? MAYBE your message just isn't connecting with people as much as you think it is? And maybe progressives need to self-reflect as to why they keep f***ing losing beyond just blaming the establishment and repeating the same losing strategy over and over again. Say what you will about the Democratic Party as a whole being bad strategists, but at least they win SOMETIMES.

Also, the current nominee got absolutely obliterated in 2020 and never even ran in 2024, lol.
Phantom Dust.
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Renarima posted...
and then you guys pretended joe biden was fine for 4 years


Oh you're one of those.
https://i.ibb.co/KXrCLH4/20240713-114554.jpg
https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD
Inviso posted...
Why is it so hard to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE it's not a coordinated effort from the establishment that's out to get you? MAYBE your message just isn't connecting with people as much as you think it is? And maybe progressives need to self-reflect as to why they keep fucking losing beyond just blaming the establishment and repeating the same losing strategy over and over again. Say what you will about the Democratic Party as a whole being bad strategists, but at least they win SOMETIMES.

In fairness, seeing a bunch of Democratic candidates drop out and give their full support behind Biden when Bernie was starting to get attention was certainly convenient for the status quo.

Oh I'm not saying there was a grand conspiracy or anything (Bernie is in a different party after all), but it was certainly annoying to witness.

https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4
UshiromiyaEva posted...
Oh you're one of those.
Yes I am a human being with eyes.
UshiromiyaEva posted...
Oh you're one of those.

One of what, dude? I thought we had all grown enough as a group to acknowledge the reality of Joe Biden's current state, after the whole, dropping out thing.
Phantom Dust.
"I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado
Seems like it's been 400 posts and still no one read the article about real world examples of individuals engaging policy changes that forced dems to accept and embrace positions far more left than they otherwise would have.
~Peaf~
Biden was fine for 3 years, especially given the alternative was a second Trump term.

Say what you want about the final couple of months but let's not pretend he was struggling like that in 2021.
https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4
Walz going all in:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1848811701283536958

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1848812377296588914

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1848814259524059460
"Mrgrgr!" - Edea Lee
PeaceFrog posted...
Seems like it's been 400 posts and still no one read the article about real world examples of individuals engaging policy changes that forced dems to accept and embrace positions far more left than they otherwise would have.

I'm sorry but we have important bickering to do.
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
-Toad, SMB3
Biden was barely coherent and telling people if you dont vote for him you aint black. Just because the media finally turned on him doesnt mean he was fine before that.
PeaceFrog posted...
Seems like it's been 400 posts and still no one read the article about real world examples of individuals engaging policy changes that forced dems to accept and embrace positions far more left than they otherwise would have.

I'll read it for you.

I missed the post, and would appreciate a new link.
Phantom Dust.
"I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado
kevwaffles posted...
Jfc I have never given any indication to you or anyone else of anything like this.

YOU haven't but the last several people to come at me on similar lines with similar tone have, so I'm extrapolating a pattern
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And by the way, Biden is old and made blunders. I dislike someone's grandpa being given the reigns to stir a whole nation when no one in their right mind would let their elderly father still be the head of your new household you got for yourself, so why support an elderly man assume such responsibility for MILLIONS of other people?

But at the very least, he wasn't stupid evil (and really, just generally stupid) as Trump is.

(But ALSO, we ended with two grandpas because people aren't bright enough to choose the right people.)
"Mrgrgr!" - Edea Lee
Renarima posted...
Biden was barely coherent and telling people if you dont vote for him you aint black.


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Oh you're one of those.

https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4
Alright I am tired of people implying things about me but being too cowardly to say what they mean. Shut up if you got nothing to say.
Renarima posted...
Alright I am tired of people implying things about me but being too cowardly to say what they mean. Shut up if you got nothing to say.

Basically until the moment he dropped out, a certain group of users thought that saying Joe was slipping compared to 2016 Joe was akin to wanting Trump to win.

Apparently they still believe he's sharp as a tack, something I'm certainly surprised by.
Phantom Dust.
"I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado
I bet Kamala's polls have faltered because the anxiety is rising so all the liberals have been getting into tiffs like this and now they're too miffed to go out and vote
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I suspect that is because that same group of users just gets the entirety of their opinions from media talking heads, and for some reason still trust them even though they assured them for four years he was fine until his debate (which, honestly, was kinda mid compared to what anyone who knew he was far gone would have expected and not even a real disaster)
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I'll read it for you.

I missed the post, and would appreciate a new link.
It's about much more than just policy but that was a piece of it that I did not know nearly as much about so it was good to learn something.

https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/377170/kamala-harris-economic-policy-new-progressive-economics

Warren had made herself someone that Democratic leaders couldnt ignore. In early 2014, nobody cared at all what our side thought because there was no credible threat and no pain inflicted, a former Warren aide told me. By 2016, they did care because there was a credible threat and there was pain inflicted.
A Clinton transition official backed up this assessment, telling Politico, It was kind of a pain in the ass to be thinking about her all the time. Still, though she and her allies had won a seat at the table, they werent at the head of the table just yet.
~Peaf~
Every now and then someone exhaustingly annoying comes into the topic series and starts shitting up the place for like 5000 posts straight. And people will just keep engaging them like beating their head against a brick wall.

Looking forward to when this new iteration runs it's course.
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AriaOfBolo posted...
YOU haven't but the last several people to come at me on similar lines with similar tone have, so I'm extrapolating a pattern

Well then I'm sorry to make you feel that way. Genuinely I am. But I will never do that.
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
-Toad, SMB3
oh yeah who is that kamikaze potato
Renarima posted...
I suspect that is because that same group of users just gets the entirety of their opinions from media talking heads, and for some reason still trust them even though they assured them for four years he was fine until his debate (which, honestly, was kinda mid compared to what anyone who knew he was far gone would have expected and not even a real disaster)
Insane post in several different ways, congrats
"You're childish. What are you getting? Are you getting strawberry? Ha! That's such a childish flavor, only children eat strawberry."
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
It's hard to take your take seriously when you emphasize "WOW he STRUGGLED AGAINST PETE?!" in the same event where the eventual winner placed an extremely anemic 4th.

Also, the current nominee got absolutely obliterated in 2020 and never even ran in 2024, lol.

Im pointing out that in 2020, Bernie had a wide open field. In a crowded primary, EVERYONE was running to his right, and the only person even potentially splitting the progressive vote was Elizabeth Warren (maybe Andrew Yang too, I admit). Meanwhile, if youre voting moderate, youve got Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, plus Bennett, Patrick and Gabbard. With that in mind, what we SHOULD have seen was a redux of the 2016 GOP primary: all the moderates split their votes and allow the one outsider to run away with the win. Instead, what we got was Bernie barely beating out an unknown (including in the New Hampshire primary, which is his own backyard), whose main selling point was Im moderate like Joe Biden, BUT YOUNG.

I would be willing to consider the argument that Bernie got screwed if he had shown genuine strength and THEN the establishment all combined to get everyone to drop out and hand select Biden. But thats not what happened.
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http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif
how so
Even counting clips, I feel like the collective hours of major news channels watched by people in this topic a week is closer to 0 than 10.
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
-Toad, SMB3
Renarima posted...
Alright I am tired of people implying things about me but being too cowardly to say what they mean. Shut up if you got nothing to say.

You're intentionally acting like a dullard is what I'm trying to say. I say this because if you still do not understand the context of what Biden said and why, you're either genuinely unable to grasp metaphors or you're pretending to be unable to.

https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4
twitter etc and podcasts are also talking heads.
AuraChannelerCh posted...
Walz going all in:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1848811701283536958

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1848812377296588914

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1848814259524059460

The dipshit line is incredible lmfao.
https://i.ibb.co/KXrCLH4/20240713-114554.jpg
https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD
kevwaffles posted...
Well then I'm sorry to make you feel that way. Genuinely I am. But I will never do that.

Duly noted, thanks! I'll retract that then.
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Dark_Young_Link posted...
You're intentionally acting like a dullard is what I'm trying to say. I say this because if you still do not understand the context of what Biden said and why, you're either genuinely unable to grasp metaphors or you're pretending to be unable to.

No, I fully understand the context. Explain it to me if you think I do not. I am tired of explaining myself in this topic and just having people give me side eye and REFUSE to say WHAT THEY MEAN. you TELL ME.
kevwaffles posted...
Even counting clips, I feel like the collective hours of major news channels watched by people in this topic a week is closer to 0 than 10.

Yeah I don't think I've ever watched the news for an extended period of time.
https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4
This topic is getting tense so its probably time to take a moment and relax. Everybody here (well maybe with one exception who I assume inspired the topic title) believes in the basic principles of civil liberties for all, economic justice and democracy. Sanders isnt running, Biden isnt running, Harris is, against probably the single biggest threat to global democracy today. So instead of the knives being at each others throats, we should (metaphorically, mods) point them at the other guy instead. This kind of polarisation among people who agree with each other is what Trump wants.
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Also, while the debate is a bridge too far, its important to note that Biden SotU from this year was EXTREMELY well-received. And not just by left-wing talking heads; right wing media had to desperately start claiming Biden was taking performance-enhancing drugs, because the SotU completely flew in the face of their Biden is a doddering old man narrative.

Again, the debate sealed the deal for sure, but its not unreasonable for a person to have seen Biden perform the three years prior and think he was doing okay, mentally.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8fbadd8c.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d0388411.jpg

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1848817959659032803?t=UPOdr1pGj1qR05KuffwVFw&s=19
https://i.ibb.co/KXrCLH4/20240713-114554.jpg
https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD
I was really afraid he wouldn't step aside so pointing out that he was having problems was like 'eek' but then he did and I was like 'whew'

tbh if Trump wins it is because half the country doesn't live in reality, including some online lefty spaces frankly lol
Can't we give ourselves one more chance?
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AriaOfBolo posted...
you are right but boy howdy I don't like it
I'm also not sure how to "change minds" without "critiquing power" and getting the blue people's dander up, and I consider the red people lost causes entirely.

I don't blame you for not liking it.

The only way to change minds is to educate people. Everything is always going to be a fight. Roe v Wade was enacted long before most of us were born, and yet here we are fighting for abortion rights today. And it's damn frustrating that we have to fight for basic human rights. But if we take every win we can get, in the long run it'll all add up. And maybe the next generation won't have to sit around wondering why they have to constantly fight to keep their basic human rights. I hope they won't take for granted what they have, if we get there. I hope they will be aware of the struggle faced so that they can prevent from having to fight for those rights so damn hard again and so that the generation that follows them, and the one that follows them, retains those rights as well.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
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"You're childish. What are you getting? Are you getting strawberry? Ha! That's such a childish flavor, only children eat strawberry."
If we do win, I really hope we can un-cultify most of Trump's supporters.

It's fucking insane how much he's worshiped. I want to go back to the days where people didn't really give a fuck about the President once they got elected (Unless they did something especially wonderful or fucked up especially).

https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4
Espeon posted...
I would be willing to consider the argument that Bernie got screwed if he had shown genuine strength and THEN the establishment all combined to get everyone to drop out and hand select Biden. But thats not what happened.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/615b8950.jpg

Someone PLEASE tell me I'm not reading what I'm reading right here.
Phantom Dust.
"I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado
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