On this I'm pretty sure he's not. We (the spectators) (semi) jokingly brought this up a few times, even as Joey specifically (I had the same thought you did with all of Joey's girlfriends), saying we'd be loyal to him over "town" because we're just spectators.Interesting that he's not confirmed town for you. I mean I think Kirby was town, or at least playing for town. So I would believe you that I dont think the spectators know he is scum. But is that true you dont know peaf's alignement for sure?
But he denied it. And I think he trusted us. He's just town I'm 99% sure.
As for why foolmo specifically feels like traitor it's because he's been giving excuses to present suspicions. First it was NL then it was MATH.I would avoid theories like this, because one it requires you to be right about a scum in the setup who doesn't get to talk to their teammates, and we have no evidence for that. And two, scum never do this. If they have to announce themselves to scum they hide it in a post or something. No one wants to intentionally look bad in a way that might get them lynched.
This in particular had IGCD so incredulous for the absurdity of it (and myself too) that I got to thinking that this might have been foolmo holding up a sign to his scumteam saying "hey I'm here!"
Note he has not actually pursued IGCD or Sbell lynches today at all. This feels entirely like it was a show to send a sign.
Death how often do double voters in b8 mafia mean the double voters flavor has multiple characters?
What about his interaction with Sultan at the beginning of the game in regards to pointing out Sultan's flavor slip? That's the biggest thing I think he's town for.
I don't put much faith into the wifom argument that if dumey is scum he wouldn't be so blatant about defending sinking ship Sultan.
Actually to better explain my reasoning in case people somehow still think its 'a catch'What, but we already knew we were the scorned lovers day 1 from the host post. You put more thought into it than even necessary. When does a game ever use every flavor available? Ctes wanted more players for the game anyway and this was the smaller version.
Scum cannot have 6 members
The Friends consist of 6 members and are presumably the scumflavor.
I wondered if perhaps Phoebe could then be a townflavor and connected with Ursula (since they were twins) and that would explain how Ctes could use the 6 friends characters without making them all scum.
And I only made that funny theory because IGCD suddenly pretended to be a doublevoting miller.
In hindsight I think whats going on here is that the scum members are actually the final pairings of the show and we are all the scorned lovers.
I hate to answer for him here, but if this quote from Death is when I think it was, isn't there a really obvious answer to this question?I'll give my thoughts after death answers
I think Death looks good here because the reason he usually waits so long to vote is because of hesitance, right? He unvotes because of Kirby claiming for Peaf. But I had been aggressively saying that Sultan was town when I was trying to get Chang to move his vote. So I don't think he was comfortable voting Sultan in particular. Why he didn't put it anywhere else I have no idea.The thing is, if he is scum then I think he also makes that unvote, since it would look terrible in his eyes for him to leave his vote on Peaf after Kirby made that announcement. That fact is null. That is why I didnt mention it and its the Unvote but no follow up vote that I focused in on. Because that makes it lean more like he knew he had to unvote Peaf but wanted to give Sultan a chance at survival too
I'm not sure how you put MZero there Ben. That's the biggest standout on your list. Otherwise I get how you came to all of your other reads.Yeah, I agree the naming of the category doesn't match for Mzero. Mzero I dont think posted at all after i town cleared him lol. But I originally had him in the top category, then panicked and felt wrong having him higher placed than Sbell, so I put him a category lower. That was a late adjustment to the list. Maybe he needs his own category? Probably town until proven otherwise. Sbell was the main one for who the category was named
Alright guys, I have a confession to make.You're fine. You exposed Sultan day 1 anyway even if you didn't end on him
I'm fucking suck at mafia. And now I realize after Blade's flip that the reason he was pressing me for my opinion on whether Sultan's justifying his vote was scummy at the end was him trying to decide whether or not to lawyer. Thank god he trusted his own judgement and wasn't influenced by me.
I ended day (before Sultan flip) thinking that Ben and Peaf were scum with the way that Ben jumped on Kirby's "I guess go for Sultan" suggestion. But now with Sultan flipped scum, I see basically no way that a hydra'd scum Kirby suggests Sultan in that position. So being that Peaf and Kirby were in a chat the whole day, I'm pretty confident that Peaf is town now. And Ben jumping on Sultan so early COULD be bussing, but is super low chance. So I think Ben is probably town from that interaction.
Essentially these flips turned my entire game upside down because of how off I was. :)
IGCD are you Phoebe AND Ursula?
Same as with you and Death, voting pattern. Nothing personal really.Yeah but IGCD's voting pattern was jumping around to random people with a double vote, admitting that he didn't read the topic, which I read as him trying to create some content around the end of day, and not a calculated play to try and save Sultan
I also would prefer starting with IGCD since at worst it's a miller kill.
I'm starting on Sultan here to see if that lynch has any teeth, though general sentiment seems not. He's given better analysis today but I still felt like the first 24 hours or so felt very forced/fake from him, and some commentary on Blade isn't enough to change my mind. If there's nothing going there I'll pivot elsewhere this afternoonThis is the second vote for Sultan that came very early on from Chang, and he sticks to it all the way until the end of the day. The commitment is early, but in the same vote he also leaves himself open to CHANG his vote nearer EoD and when it actually matters.
##Vote: Sultan
I'd totally lynch IGCD here45 minutes left to go, leaves himself open again.
Could scum sultan BE any deader?He was on Sultan first for the flavor TMI slip up. Which is something I dont think he does if scum, because if he is scum then he is also perceived for slipping up with flavor, so why draw attention to another?
Ben, why do you feel so strongly about Dumey being town?
IGCD jumped on Sultan at -7 mins, Sbell at -11 mins. Super scummy but almost blatantly so.What about Sultan slipping knowledge of the flavor at the beginning of the game when reacting to IGCD's miller claim? Does he slip up when he is expecting the claim from a scummate?
Ben and Wallz shifted the momentum away from Peaf at -40 and -35 mins. That seems towny since Peaf was very much a valid target. I see actually that IGCD jumped on at -30 but quickly jumped off (maybe when he realized Sultan was actually at risk?) Extremely reeks of scum.
##Vote: IGCD
Sbell after
I intend to look harder at those 4 when I get home
The leftovers
Chang
Corrik
Death
Foolmo
Its a busy time with family but Im around.I think the people who voted Sultan later on look the best, and Wallz in particular.
My first choice is probably a Sultan lynch now based on the all important vibes. I would also vote Dumey or Blade but Im starting to think Blade may be town after all, but wrong about peaf.
##Vote: Sultan
##vote: sultan
##Unvote
Ursula as a Miller seems a bit like nail on the head to me.
I think I buy it.
The flavor I suppose? Ursula is pheobe's twin
Why did Sultan acknowledge the Ursula claim as being too on the nose, and then immediately call me out for saying it was interesting as a bad thing?And Dumey is the first person to call this out directly. I really doubt he points out this slip on a scummate. Especially with him being the subject of what looks like a TMI flavor slip himself, it would be in his best interests to take all of the aggro for that and shield other scum if they did the same. Not drag another down for the same thing that takes him out.
Inside the mind of Sultan, did he make that comment with full understanding of the flavor split from the opening post implying but not explicitly saying that the main cast might be scum?
Also wallz isn't to be trusted he didnt make a joke post 1 in wallz fashionSultan came out of the gate taking a jab at Wallz. Do we think Sultan does this to a buddy?
##vote:WallzI dont think so since he even goes as far as to vote Wallz for it
being to cautious to even make a joke must be scum.
Man soo what we doing here. Peaf has kinda vanished huh
Hm. Acceptable.This works for me. All I really remember him doing is make flubs, and not the find of innocent flubs I can usually town read him early for
For all the fire Dumey has been under, I think he's held up well.
Well, I'm all out of scumspects. See you Day 2.
... jk. My next best guess is Sultan. He's really been all over the place. I think the post that really brushed me the wrong way was this one, where he basically said Dumey's post was a lot of words but no substance. ... But then he doesn't try to push Dumey to say more? Feels like Sultan is saying stuff without applying pressure just to look productive without any commitment.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80787674/980814457
Its better than me because I;m not fully caught up and at this rate I wont be
Bad idea. Day 1's are my worst. I have to rely on people picking on me or clearing me to make decent reads, and I've got neither of those right now lol
I do expect more from you, though. I understand this Day 1 has been pretty slow, but while I lean town on you for now, it's a weak lean. I expect more on Day 2.
What about the kind of interesting dynamic here around Peaf/Sultan/Wallz.EDumey posted...
Peaf read Sultan's criticism of Blade wrong, probably out of a little bias toward Sultan. Now they are teaming up to vote Blade. And now that Blade is actually getting a couple of votes, Wallz seems to be hedging and looking elsewhere.
The Wallz part of this might just be coincidental timing and not related to the other two.
What about the kind of interesting dynamic here around Peaf/Sultan/Wallz.Doesn't mean much to me at the moment but could later with flips. I'm in sit back and sip tea mode with the Blade push right now
Peaf read Sultan's criticism of Blade wrong, probably out of a little bias toward Sultan. Now they are teaming up to vote Blade. And now that Blade is actually getting a couple of votes, Wallz seems to be hedging and looking elsewhere.
The Wallz part of this might just be coincidental timing and not related to the other two.
Ben if you're still around, do you have any comments on anything that's happened this morning?I was catching up so hadnt read it yet, but I'm caught up now.
The scummiest thing Dumey did is calling the IGCD Miller claim clever, which implies he knows more about the flavor than he should. And then later defending himself by arguing that maybe scum does not know the flavor split. That feels less like a good reason to call IGCD town, and more like a defense of himself if he just TMI'd about the flavor split.
Had a feeling that the fire died down over night. It didn't help that what i was pushing eventually got turned into a Timestamp argument when there is much more to it than that. I wont cause a scene over allowing Dumey another day, but i think it would be foolish to let him live too long. even the scummiest of scum can make themselves look better.
I'm bored and poking people because almost nothing has actually happened so far.What gave you the impression of it turning serious? The game doesn't have enough players to go that long again.
We had more content in the first hour or two in the last game than we have so far today.
I think it's because this game was marketed as not serious and then seemingly turned into a serious game. I certainly don't want to be alive on day 9 again.
No seriously what is thisI dont know what's so confusing about it. I didn't know it was a joke, so I thought either town gambit or legit. I did think it was unlikely that he was day cop but wanted to see Dumey's reaction regardless - I didnt know that it was so clearly a joke that Dumey would know it was and thus there would be no reaction. As soon as that was revealed, I unvoted
Ben did you have more reads from your read of the topic? It felt like you were going through chronologically but then got distracted by Foolmo and stopped.Not really. Sbell and Mzero are solid.
Ben... come on man.##Unvote
This post in particular was mainly what I was referring toOh. In that case I can confidently say... Foolmo coming off as organic? I don't see it.
In not Exsplaining my thoughts very well at all
Fool looks to have a bad what they truly believe as a Gotya against Dumey.Well, I found zero posts of Foolmo interacting with Death so we've only regressed now!
Also it was a back and forth with death not blade my mistake
Fool looks to have a bad what they truly believe as a Gotya against Dumey.Ninja'd....
Also it was a back and forth with death not blade my mistake
Wait really when was that I didn't see this. But aren't you one if the two shell?I tried to find this back and forth to see if I could see what you are seeing in Foolmo - but I only found this post. Is this what you are thinking of or is there something else I am missing?
What i liked from fool was some of the back and forth with blade it seemed organic.
And the nl vote and explanation came off that way too
Or you just hit a miller-power role who only claimed the miller part.
You're not 100% guaranteed to do jack
You're 100% guaranteed to hit scum or suicidal town. I don't care what role you actually are but if you claim miller D1, you are in net-negative-to-town territory.
I can't think of a play dumber than going around forcing claims and lynching actual town roles, just because you're afraid of the 0.05% chance that the first-post claimed miller is actually double-vig bp miller princess bomb cop. (and yes this is fishing for IGCD to claim double-vig bp miller princess bomb cop)
well my post was directed at Sultan saying he likes Fool because he appears to be figuring it all out.LOL. Also a good question
alos, pray tell, what part of "NO LYNCH DAY ONE" is trying to figure anything out?And you just ninja'd me because I was about to ask Fool the same thing. This post feels fake to me.
Yeah. This particular context is all noise so I'm not paying attention to it much. But scum's #1 goal D1 is to rolefish and that's a good way to do it.And I'm not sure if its just because I cant relate to FD types who preach no lynch, or if it means Fool knows that Dumey is going to be town and is overextending to get ahead of this. He mentions that Sbell can either be scum or town, but no mention that Dumey can just be scum and that Sbell is on the right track to question him.... how do you want town to ever catch scum today with this approach?
btw sbell railing against dumey is beyond fishing, it's role hunting. He wants everyone to force dumey to claim, and then he along with everyone else will remove their vote and go "oopsies I guess we shouldn't lynch him today". And the worst part is it could easily just be typical spineless B8 town play, not scum play.
If you want to continue against dumey then you must be ready to lynch him today regardless of claim. Anything less is pure scum.
But if you're bloodthirsty, lynch the damn miller. It's arguably a net negative town role.
where is this coming from
Opening Post
Oh I just outted myself not reading the first post niceI can relate to this because I also missed that part of the host's post and was thinking the same thing when reading Sbell's post. Mzero is town
More like outted yourself as Town.Sbell out here doing God's work
Bravo ole chap.
I like Dumey so far and I'm not seeing the wishy washiness much. Not sure I really see the point in pulling out the one thing he was less certain of when he gave a bunch of reads with some degree of commitment.
for now I'm giving a little side eye to MZero as I think it's within his scum game to be a bit cheeky like this. he might be liable to live a few nights after getting mislynched last game
I like Dumey so far and I'm not seeing the wishy washiness much. Not sure I really see the point in pulling out the one thing he was less certain of when he gave a bunch of reads with some degree of commitment.
for now I'm giving a little side eye to MZero as I think it's within his scum game to be a bit cheeky like this. he might be liable to live a few nights after getting mislynched last game
MZero posted...You're wasting your time analyzing what I imagine is just another reference.
Blade I'm not going to lie to you
but I am going to run away from you
You're the first person I've seen talk about it on this God given internet, as far as i can rememberhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c99fab85.jpg
Ask me again in a month and I'll say the same thing
I know absolutely nothing about what Purple Monkey Dishwasher is but something in my body tells me I want itOh was this a reference too. I'm gonna need everyone to put their joke lines in Friends GIF's because I've been contemplating the meaning of this post for the past 3 hours only to realize now there was nothing to read into