You're intentionally acting like a dullard is what I'm trying to say. I say this because if you still do not understand the context of what Biden said and why, you're either genuinely unable to grasp metaphors or you're pretending to be unable to.
Oh you're one of those.Yes I am a human being with eyes.
Why is it so hard to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE it's not a coordinated effort from the establishment that's out to get you?
Jfc I have never given any indication to you or anyone else of anything like this.
alrighty well let me know if you'd ever like to actually have a conversation I guess
When's the last time Kamala mentioned it?
whichever has the most incest
Yes. He was told not to do it, did it anyway, and got banned (though really it was more of a kick). Steiner figured out auto-modding and told Cyclo he could come back since he wouldn't be able to make the same transgression, but he did not.
This is all well-documented and it is very indicating of the maturity level of Cyclo that he can't even own up to it.
Well this just isnt true. Union households went for Biden in 2020 by 16-17 points compared to 4.5 for the national average. And of course as weve spoken about in this topic before, contrary to stereotypes lower income voters are more likely to vote Democrat and higher income voters are more likely to vote Republican.
Focus on winnable local races to build a support base and slowly push the Overton window to the left. Organise within the trade union movement and progressive organisations. Campaign for electoral reform. It will take a long time, and its definitely not sexy, but its what got people most of the decent things of the last 80 years.
O'Donnell is wrong anyway.
Is this going to reach the inevitable "Your vote doesn't really matter so you may as well stay home" destination so many online centrists like to direct only Democrat voters towards?
Because this is starting to look awfully familiar.
And there it is: if you don't get what you want, it must be because the rich and powerful elite are holding you back. It can't possibly be YOUR fault. It can't possibly be that YOU'RE wrong or YOU'RE causing the problem. No no, it MUST be the establishment and the elites.
If you are not willing to turn out for the Dems and say "You are better than the Republicans", so you have my vote, then why the fuck should the Democratic Party cater to you more than the portion of their base that IS willing to do that? I mean, you won't even acknowledge that that portion of the population exists and outnumbers you, because that would mean actually DOING something, rather than sitting back and talking a big game without having to lift a finger.
"But But, you didn't single handedly change things! That means you didn't actually do anything. Ignore how I'm refusing to list my personal accomplishments!"
Yeah, dude has nothing to bring to the conversation here. Just like most internet ""centrists"".
What's even the point of saying you want to accomplish things, then? Unless you PERSONALLY do them, apparently it doesn't count. And you don't seem to be running for office. So tell me, what have you accomplished? Or are you just going to throw the question back, because you're a coward, 'bro'?
And the solution to THAT problem is to overwhelmingly reject the Right at every possible opportunity. Send a message to the Dems that they can actually move to the left,
Biden and Obama were elected. We got Same Sex Marriage rights thanks to Obama's Supreme Court. We got Student debt relief thanks to Biden. We got Affordable Care Act, which is a step in the right direction. Respect for Marriage Act was passed in case the current supreme court decides they want to fuck that upthey do.
And what have you accomplished so far?
No you absolutely do not. If you did, you would care about HOW to accomplish things instead of just broadcasting from your high horse how everything needs to change.
If you don't consider them your people, why should they consider you theirs?
Then why are you complaining so much about the Democrats? If everything's so great, then you should be fine with them understandably ignoring what you want when you actively choose to remove yourself from the political process.
I mean...this is just me spitballing...but maybe consider WHICH politicians you need to be sending the message to
too late, already reported everyone
I'd like to piggyback off what Thorn said above (because A, I agree with him, and B, I recall either earlier in this topic, or in the last topic, he felt that we'd completely ignored his contribution...and I definitely don't want to ignore that.) I think--and I fully acknowledge that this is likely where a lot of progressives are getting their belief in progressive popularity from--that if you took individual progressive policies completely in a vacuum, without any context or discussion of potential impact on taxes, most people would probably vote favorably. But the problem is that the only one of the two parties who makes any effort to address those popular policies...gets none of that popularity rubbed off on them. They are constantly told via elections that voters would rather put politicians in power that stand AGAINST those massively popular progressive policies. And the message THAT sends is that EITHER those policies aren't as popular as polling would suggest...OR they might be popular, but they're not as important as other policies are when it comes to determining which candidate to vote for.
...WHAT? How...how do you see an election result of "Republican candidate gets approximately 49% of the vote, Independent candidate/Former Republican governor gets approximately 30% of the vote, Democratic candidate gets approximately 20% of the vote" and think "That spells moderate and the Democratic Party apparatus is just really bad"? Like, if you're adding the numbers and saying "50% didn't vote Republican compared to 49% that did"...okay. But you then HAVE to take the other side and say "79% didn't vote Democrat compared to 20% that did". Like...do you understand that, to me, that comes across as absurd levels of mental gymnastics, all to deny the statement of "American voters are not as progressive as we believe they are/should be"?
I think people are talking about different things wrt Republican voters. Internally its super bloodthirsty eg in primaries where its a constant purity test to be the most MAGA. Externally the general Republican voters will just vote for whoever, much more reliably than Democrats. Nobody is wrong here.