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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
TotallyNotMI posted...
This pivots off the vanillas which just cause more of this same shit tomorrow is exhausting
i dont disagree with this.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
oh well theres IGCD so i guess i wont self pres here.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
I responded to a fair bit of your crap.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
htaeD posted...
Yeah you did ask me if 'I was mad to be rolling scum again'
Which I didnt take as a serious accusation at the time I think
But calling me fine the next topic was still interesting.
Probably had to do with that. It wasn't actually serious btw(I could turn it into serious if i wanted), I was reaction fishing.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
PeaceFrog posted...
Not to be too salty but if you read my posts instead of immediately discounting them, we could have discussed this back on Sunday and maybe you'd have remembered then.
You posted a lot of crap. I couldn't respond to all of it.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.


5(maybe 4, probably not) scum
-2 broken roles
-godfather?
-??? (Kidnapper/janitor, vote theft, ???)

4-5 vanilla expected, 6 unlikely.
4 vanillas claimed, 2 dead

doc, jk, cop (Hinted at by doppel)
broken scanner (broken?)
^-open question, with blade and ulti claiming power so long ago, why is this group not shot into

IGCD with hammerer(Still say hes 3P if anyone), potentially confirmable
chang confirmable
mzero confirmable
fd confirmable
ben confirmable
^---this feels like too many. None are alignment confirming and I would expect scum to have 1 non-alignment confirming role.

Ctes mystery ->if not something eye opening, murder.

Lopen leaves vanillas as an open question. Still think the conclusion from all this is find 1 scum in vanilla, find liar in confirmables, then move from there.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
I think I said some stuff to you earlier in the day and it might have been related to that. But day 1 is long.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
htaeD posted...
Topic 4, page 7
Fuck I'm trying to figure out what I had because usually I commit posts like that to memory or make at least a small note and I have no fucking clue.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
htaeD posted...
I also think Reds "Death flipflop" is not as bad as it looks. Though I would like to ask him why he called me 'fine' day1. If he remembers that.
I dont actually remember that one where was it.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
MZero posted...
red is way too mad on page 4 and it feels fake
lol mzero.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Ampharos/Snorlax
Vulpix/Mismagius
Aurorus/Vaporeon
Comfey/Archen
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Forceful_Dragon posted...
ninja'd by kirby lol

But yeah, in a situation where wallz dies before using his ability then SBell's information finds the killer every time or at least narrows it down perfectly.
In every other situation but that, which is actually far more likely. SBell gets in a trap where he has bad info every night.

Hes going to cause a mislynch and very possible end up a mislynch himself.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Forceful_Dragon posted...
That assumes Wallz was going to use the movement Frame every night instead of the guilty Frame though, right? Hard to know what they would prefer, but they wouldn't know if they would benefit more from making someone scan guilty or making someone appear to visit a target. If they knew what town roles existed then sure, they would use the movement Frame every single time because every night kill would make SBells information worse. I think it's more fair to say that SBells role had the potential to be anti-town, but was not 100% guaranteed to be so.
its not hard to know what they would prefer. You movement frame every time barring some weird situational frame.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Kirby321 posted...
You keep saying that, and I know that you know there's more nuance to it than just that. But SBell's role in and of itself purely pro-town. It's the fact that Wallz' role exists that makes SBell's a double-edged sword. But once Wallz is out of the picture? SBell's role becomes very strong.
sbell's role was a trap and basically guaranteed 1 mislynch at least.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
PunishedBen posted...
No I thought Blade was talking about day 3. And yes, you did seem to drop this entirely
We had a glut of information gain.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Not that it wasn't straight up true to anyone that thought that. If ben is BP having additional protection is probably too much.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Meow1000 posted...
Red straight up told you to lynch me if you believed Ben
i could have sworn this was to kirby btw. Cause hwas the one that believed ben wholeheartedly and that would have created a mass of protection that needed to be solved.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
ctesjbuvf posted...
Tbh Red I was a bit surprised at how easy you claimed. For similar reasons you wanting this of all people is a bit weird.
Never that easy. But I to go over in my head if I have potential plays up my sleeve if I don't and I couldn't come up with any.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Also I have no fear of ben being 3p.

If anyone is 3P it is still IGCD and it still isn't worth looking into.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Also I don't think I've missed it and ctes is unclaimed. He needs to either fill that box or tell us he has some form of game plan for not claiming.

I still instinctually do not trust people that are turned into no-vote status.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Also there is probably a sweet spot where killing Ulti and confirming his confirms is the right play. Quick math in my head says this is not it.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
I think I am mostly in agreement the plan should be torch some vanillas. I think 4-5 would be reasonable and 6+ would be the host deciding they wanted to fuck town even harder.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
I guess I have to defer here and I hate to ask this.

But does FD giving love or whatever provide a definitive flavor clear? Cause in a mafia sense its not alignment indicative but beyond that I couldn't comment.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
htaeD posted...
My first thought is to just let the claimed doc and cop all live and see what happens night4. We are ahead enough to allow this I think.
I don't think I necessarily trust the way Ulti has played at all but this may be accurate. The only way I see ulti as lying is if Lopen is cop and that is going to take a stretch on everyone's part. It is basically a situation where I think the proper play is "hunt that last if needed" as much as I'm sure everyone wants to make the hero play.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
I cant say this logic wont fuck us but...

Its been assumed(I'm not quite sure why but since it has and no one has debated it i'm assuming its true) that scum has access to Lopen's flip. They are absolutely shooting like they fear extra protection.

So lets reasonably safely assume Lopen was not protection.

Scum fears protection exists, with several unclaims still out there blade claims protection(Doctor, not BG). Thats asking for a counterclaim with scum still I would argue down in this game.

I think its pretty safe to assume blade as town, especially with town trapped with roles designed to completely fuck us. If scum knew lopen was protection, they are pretty much shooting with impunity. But since they didn't we should assume they thought other protection existed and thus wouldn't fuck themselves with a protection claim.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Fuck fandom.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Gengar/Raikou
Hippowdon/Scorbunny
Suicune/Vileplume
Miltank/Ogerpon
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Yes

But ask again in 7 and a half months.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
PunishedBen posted...
Why Red.
because honestly, peaf's argument is terrible.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Meow1000 posted...
I want Ben's head on a pike tomorrow.
Yes this actually.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Kirby321 posted...
I don't enjoy having our time wasted, though. The time to claim was hours ago, Red.
oh kirby lol. No.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
TotallyNotMI posted...
Red, being in a tie here, are you going to claim today?
Have no particular plans to claim today.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
PeaceFrog posted...
Red has defended himself against my argument with a "you can find anything scummy if you look hard enough".
Yes. This is literally a fact.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
TotallyNotMI posted...
re at a lower level of like than Ulti/Kirby
Putting ulti at the same level of kirby is kind of curious.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Golisopod/Mimikyu
Sharpedo/Feraligatr
Drapion/Boltund
Quaxly/Chi-Yu
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
You know, I'm not sure anything is more annoying than someone going "haha look what you did you are scum" and being like "Yeah, I did that, what the fuck do you think you found?".

Peaf if you are town I told wallz this back when he was first starting and you would be wise to heed the advice: You can make a case for anyone to be scum in any game if you try hard enough. Looking for stuff under the pretense that you think the person is scum doesn't do any good. You consume a lot of time and just end up stupidly reinforcing something you already convinced yourself of ahead of time.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
PeaceFrog posted...
This is such a "i want to be here commenting on things real time but i also dont want to commit to anything until i see more of what other people say" kind of deal.
Yes? There is nothing here that isn't something I would do as town.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
also i think this got left out of things I said.

I stand by the idea that wallz doesn't bring up tacoknightz if they are a scumtrio.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
I would prefer your thoughts now and not tomorrow.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Had I a vigi shot right now I'd probably shoot Peaf without blinking and be happy regardless of the result.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.


3. Chang
8. IGCD
9. Kirby
6. Death
14. Mzero (Replaced Taco)

2. Blade
15. Ulti

7. FD

10. MI
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1. Ben
4. Corrik
5. Ctes
11. Peaf
13. Sbell

This is how my PoE looks like atm. Top list grouped confidence, most to least. Order in groups is not sorted. MI not with much confidence, his posts -feel- like town in context but nothing screams hard read at all.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Ulti: Confirmed town in my book
Blade: Probably town
You: Most likely town
Wallz: quirky but most likely town
IGCD: Probably town
FD: Quirky, don't know what to make of it
Kirby: Probably town
Taco: Most likely Scum
Lopen: Don't know what to make of it

I'm sure people have posted this from knightz. Sat thinking on this a bit. My mind does not want to believe that knightz would flip two scummates to town and call both quirky.

I might be over or underestimating him. I have less confidence in this than the aforementioned blade faith. But I think it gives FD a bit of a reprieve in my mind.

Calling ulti confirmed town is pretty drastic too. Knightz is still a bit of a wild card in my brain, so at least with things he probably put a bit of time on I wouldn't argue anything with absolute certainty. But this also moves Ulti further to town in my mind. Probably more likely than the confidence I give FD(on my sheet I currently have ulti bunched up with blade in confidence level).
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
rerereading a bit of wallz content. Don't know how far i'll get.

But I don't believe from early on that blade/sbell/wallz could be a scumtrio. So that would eliminate any current alive pair of blade/sbell.

I don't doubt blades ability to bus his entire team for fun or whatever, that pair feels unlikely.

Honestly, just game meta, with so few people claiming actions that move at night, I want to say I trust blade as town. Not with absolutely certainty because not enough is on the board, but I have him in a place with reasonable probability as town.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Dancedreamer posted...
Does anyone in the administration understand who their base is? Like... nobody's going to be swayed to vote for him because of this. They will simply say it's just him trying to get votes.

I dont think you understand how blindly patriotic a majority of voters are.

Nothing was wrong with the answer honestly.

It was an attempted "gotcha" and she did her best to avoid playing into it.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Robazoid posted...
Genuinely surprised to see Sony back down. I switched my Steam review from negative to positive!
I have also done this.

But also I think they were in a position where they had no choice. The game is too big to let fall like that now.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Fuck fandom.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Did you have interaction with the scum?

Or virtually anyone but me?
Yes, actually.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
No one has pointed to any interaction with the scum and been like "oh look red is scum".

In fact most of you have had the opposite interpretations.

Scum equity on me is pretty much zero and I find the votes borderline insulting, tbh.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
GTM posted...
ackshually, burritos and nachos are not Mexican (source: mexican girlfriend)
Also this is a weird misconception that got out there and isn't true.
"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.
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