From: Jakyl25 | #353 Think of it for what it is, as performance art.
You don't go to a play to root for MacBeth (he's the villain OMG spoilers) or Iago, you come to watch their rise and revel in their fall, even if the actors are doing an outstanding job.
Granted, wrestling is different in that you don't actually KNOW how the story plays out beforehand, but still, that's roughly how I take it.
Cody Rhodes wants me to hate his character. I love how Cody Rhodes portrays his character, so I give him the browbeating he deserves.
I don't go to a performance of MacBeth to participate in the same way either, so it's not really an apt comparison. And not knowing how the story plays out is a fundamental difference that really changes the equation - the "villain" of today could be the "hero" of tomorrow and yesterday, and I don't doubt that the tendency of overseas places that are visited less frequently to be smarky stems from people not wanting to have to boo their favourite if he just happened to turn heel before the one time you'll ever get to see him live.
And in a weird way it ends up screwing with kayfabe to me, because cheering and booing based on the overall storylines...is pretty much acknowledging that it's all make believe nonsense, since it's totally plausible that people would indeed be amused by the antics of the frequently comically dickish heels of today, or would enjoy the in-ring style of a Cody Rhodes or Dolph Ziggler.
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That doesn't even logically follow at all from what I said, it's the exact same problem - it would destroy my ability to really get into the show and enjoy it if I knew I was forcing myself to boo people for entertaining me.
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The whole problem with the "must boo the heel" mindset is that the heel in question is often the more entertaining person. It simply feels very weird and stupid to go to an event to *not* cheer for the guy you like; I don't know that I'd really feel right doing so, and I probably wouldn't be able to enjoy the show much at all if I knew I was just cheering for people based on what the story dictates instead of based on whether I find the person involved worth cheering for.
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From: Jakyl25 | #310 The logical thing to do when a crowd desperately wants to cheer someone no matter what is to turn them face. I don't think "You can't turn him face because he abuses AJ psychologically" is that big of a hurdle. Wrestling has short memories about that kind of stuff. Heck, Kane once forced Lita to bear his demon seed via coercion, and he later turned face...and heel...and face...and heel...etc.
Yeah seriously, it's not like it would be hard to either tone down stuff with AJ or just have their relationship become like the New Nexus and be an official thing that just stops being shown on screen until a few months later you suddenly wonder when it actually ended because you don't know for sure. People have done way, way worse **** than be a jackass to AJ and had it not matter a week or two later.
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From: Maniac64 | #279 Which is bad. As Jericho has often pointed out you are only doing a good job as a heel if you are being booed. Which means right now Bryan is doing a terrible job. All that this angle is showing the WWE is that Bryan can't be a heel. That he can't draw heat, even cheap heat.
Except that he did before the YES thing really took off, he was getting booed a lot for a while there, besides the usual cheers he gets for being Daniel Bryan which you can't really use seriously unless you think it's impossible for anyone to be a heel except like...Khali or something.
That is bad for him. If his fans really wanted to make him look good and help him out they would be him as loud as they could.
What the heck is the WWE going to do with him now? They can't feud him with faces because the crowd will boo the faces which hurts them. They can't face turn him without doing some changes to the character. The crowd is basically ruining Daniel Bryan's current storyline.
Does anyone else realize how ridiculous it is to say that the fans are ruining a guy by not reacting the way the WWE wants and acting like it's a flaw for the fans to react the way they want instead of a flaw in the WWE for not wanting to give the fans what they want?
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From: OmarsComin | #251 I think those combo fighters are just beyond my comprehension
Marvel, Skullgirls, etc. I have no idea how they work and inevitably my friend and I end up mashing buttons and there's a lot of blocking and timeouts.
For Skullgirls at least just pick Cerebella, that way every time you drop your fancy combo you can just command grab and pretend it was an attempted reset!
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From: Jakyl25 | #198 Also, bigger stretch of logic: a kidnapped Matt Striker gets replaced by a stunt double on the other shows for three weeks, or Curtis and Maxine actually spending a week handcuffed together without finding a way out of it?
From what I know of the character of Johnny Curtis it's entirely plausible he could do the latter, so...!
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My motivation to do this has vanished, when my sleep schedule gets particularly out of whack I really stop being capable of doing anything interesting. I'll "try" to continue but uh not too certain I will.
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From: Lopen | #204 It's a good thing I'm so unbiased otherwise I would've argued for a 47 game ban for him and a hosting ban for Ulti for putting me into a situation where I didn't want to play. And then where would we be now? That's right, 47 game ban.
My reputation as the best mafia player on b8 hinges on giving 100% every single time I step out onto that mound.
I for one welcome our new Lopen inspired justice system.
For the heinous crime of saying "good night guys" 1 minute and 37 seconds after day's end, you are hereby sentenced to not being allowed to play again until December 17th, 2017
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From: shadosneko | #021 man, if you quit dmc1, then you'll probably only play up until the infected tanks
Oh god those things were awful. Not even fun or interactive, just giant bags of endless hitpoints for you to chip away forever.
Also how could Phantom be the "I must quit DMC1 now" moment for you, he's like the definitive "this is how you actually play a Devil May Cry game" boss, he's brutal when you're new but once you're not he's easy, you've played DMC3 so you should be easily able to handle him!
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Yay Skullgirls online, mostly getting fairly shaky connections but when I get someone with a green connection it feels awesome, can't really notice anything wrong with it. I'm getting my ass kicked a fair bit, probably winning only around 35% of the time, but I've been getting a bit better! Every time I face someone (or a specific character combination or tactic) that's been owning me and finally win after several matches of it, it's great. Never though I'd play a grappler but Cerebella is just so much fun. I can't hit my combos online at all so I've pretty much given up entirely on winning via anything other than grabs and finding as many obnoxious ways to land the grab super as possible (favourite so far: command run, absorb a hit with the armor, super).
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So I decided to hop on the Skullgirls bandwagon. Hopefully will play some of you 360 folks soon, although right now I'm just trying to get a basic grasp on what the hell I'm doing. Loving Cerebella so far, fun to play and that grab super is beastly.
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From: Psycho_Kenshin | #288 Helloween - I Want Out
I believe I've alluded repeatedly to how much I dislike Michael Kiske, right? Because I do. Alright the beginning of the song is pretty annoying but it does tone down the stupidity and become pretty inoffensive aside from the painful singing (which is mainly reserved to the chorus because he's less annoying when he's not aiming for high notes). Well, up until the two and a half minute mark, it gets rather bad there, although the guitar solo is surprisingly not all that superfluous. Of course we have to end things on a sour note with Kiske being a nuisance and making me want to go back in time to feed him his own testicles before he could ever record any of this crap.
3/10
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From: supdawg222 | #284 In Flames - December Flower
So yeah, not a big fan of In Flames. No, not even their early stuff. This isn't really bad, it's just...kind of there. The vocals are kind of shaky. And this is not a case of shoving stupid "melodic" elements into places they don't belong. It's simply that the song writing isn't all that strong. Basically, it isn't doing anything wrong so much as it is doing something right, but not overly well. Still, not bad.
5/10
From: LolMyAlt | #286 Alright, managed to get a sub 1 rating. Now let's try for a plus 9 rating.
Dio - Holy Diver
9 plus is no easy feat! 9 itself isn't TOO hard though I guess.
So Holy Diver. I really, REALLY hate the intro. Far too long with absolutely nothing going on. It's one of the most baffling decisions in all of metal, quite frankly. And it's a real shame because the rest of the song is everything traditional heavy metal should be. If neither the main riff nor the "between the velvet lies" section can make you headbang, you may be in the wrong genre, or perhaps you have a serious neck injury, in which case I hope you make a quick and full recovery!
8/10
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From: VeryInsane | #282 For providing me with an epic hunt, I have decided to give you what I think is the ultimate metal song, a pure 10/10 classic, and so good that it made my head explode.
You know, when trying to quote you, I accidentally hit message detail. Should have marked you for trolling while I was at it!
So yeah obviously Limp Bizkit is the best band ever to exist and people only dislike them because they're trying to look cool by being too "intellectual" to enjoy such obviously entertaining music, which is quite ironic because this song was clearly crafted with a great degree of thought and care in order to create the perfect mix of melodic bliss and aural excellence. As such, it can easily be discerned that anyone who doesn't recognize the sheer brilliance of Rollin' are those who are pretending not to. No one could ever dislike such a well written song. On its own merits, it analyzes every cultural trend of the past twenty years, even those that came along after its creation. Such was the foresight of the Bizkit, to accurately predict the future, or perhaps it was their seemingly prophetic words that inspired the course of history. Either way, this is sublime magnificence on an almost indescribable scale.
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1/10
From: Psycho_Kenshin | #283 Gamma Ray - Rich & Famous
Well this seems almost good by comparison!
Almost
Chorus is awful, everything else is tolerable.
3/10
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From: greengravy294 | #277 Slayer - God Hates Us All
meh
Meh is right! If I'm not all that huge on early Slayer, why would I like later, bad Slayer? This is way too weak for something that sounds like it's trying to be angry and man these vocals are painfully bad. Why is there a law dictating that thrash bands are not allowed to remain good their whole careers?
3/10
From: supdawg222 | #278 Omnium gatherum - Chameleon Skin
Hey it's really cheesy melodic death metal, the kind that makes you think someone listened to a bit too much Arsis (and I don't even like A Celebration of Guilt all that much) and then thought it needed some "progressive" elements, and by progressive I mean the exact same stuff all the other crappy bands do. Also, these vocals suck. Sounds like the guy is struggling to get them out, they're somewhere between an actual death metal growl and just a gruff shout. It's really damn rare for me to really be this annoyed at harsh vocals unless they're pig squeals or excessive high pitched stuff. There's a guitar solo towards the end that I kind of like though. That's worth...a little.
3/10
From: VeryInsane | #279 This... has to be it, isn't it?
DUN DUN DUN
Nope :(
You're almost as close as it's physically possible to get without getting the right answer. That's way too easy a hint so I'll just flat out say it: it's Liege of Inveracity.
Infecting the Crypts is pretty good too though! Only thing really holding it back is I feel like there's parts where it's kind of dragging its feet (notably the first vocal section) and it doesn't really have as much intensity; that latter is a flaw of "worse than the best song in the genre" rather than a "this is crap in a cupcake" so don't take it as too heavy a criticism! As I believe I've said before I love Effigy of the Forgotten, it's a top 10 death metal album for me and this is one of the stronger tracks on it, so it's certainly not getting a low score or anything.
8.5/10
From: LolMyAlt | #280 System of a Down - Prison Song
Holy cow this is absolutely awful. Crappy chugging? What in the hell is this whispering? Was that an attempt at harsh vocals for a word? Man I can't even put into words how awful basically every single word vocalized in any way in this song is. I'll try my best: It's like eating a cardboard and tree bark sandwich then washing it down with toilet water. That sounds awful and unhealthy but it's like calling Tiger Woods slightly unfaithful, it doesn't do any justice at all to just how severe the problem is. This is seriously one of the absolute worst attempts at entertainment that I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing. I'd rather go back and ride that roller coaster with the messed up safety harness that basically slammed an almost entirely unpadded metal bar into your cheek on every turn than listen to this atrocity again.
0.5/10
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #119 But it's just splitting hairs. I really don't see how calling atheism a religion or not a religion affects much at all except the label you're putting on it. If an atheist says that atheism is their religion, how does this really affect your conversation at all?
It affects everything in the conversation because the entire reason its a problem is because people *do* think atheism is a religion, complete with all that entails. That's why you see so many people saying dumb stuff like "atheism says <insert moral philosophy>" or "atheists think <insert something other than non-belief in deities>" because they don't understand that there isn't some unifying code of atheism that all of us must adhere to. If two people are Christians (of the same denomination in particular), you can reasonably expect a lot of shared beliefs because to define yourself as Christian (of that denomination in particular), you have a specifically outlined belief system you're agreeing to. You don't just believe a god exists, you believe in a specific god that has given specific moral commandments and a specific idea of the nature of the universe and all that. That does not exist whatsoever with atheism - there are no extra beliefs or ideas inherently associated with being an atheist beyond not believing in any gods.
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From: Psycho_Kenshin | #271 I know you do, ha how can you be against "HEY"s is the question. It's you know, for pumping your fist in the air. It's rythmic, it's fun, it's metal. How do you weigh in on the "WhooooooaOHHHH~OHHHH"? How about "Yow Yow"?
As a Dio fan I hope you'd at least dig "Ooooh yeah" and "ALL RIGHT". I love those kinds of vocal fun things in the mighty metal.
As a general rule, I dislike repeated little vocal interjections like that unless it's the drawn out "ohhhhOOHHHHHohhh" style that changes in pitch a bit (see: Christian Mistress - Possession), and wow typing out that particular sound looks awful, doesn't it? One off ones are okay (like the "oh oh yeah" to kick off Maiden's Phantom of the Opera), it's only the repetition that really makes it sound silly.
From: X_Lysol_X | #272 Didn't know which Ayreon song to go with, so I went with
you probably hate them all anyways >_>
Also not trying to start any arguments, but System of a Down is a GREAT band.
Yeah I dislike most Ayreon now, used to be a big fan though. There's a couple songs on this album that I like or at least don't mind and one features a really cool section by a female vocalist whose name continuously alludes me (I think it's vaguely German? I could probably just look up the line up for 01011001 but that would spoil the fun). This isn't really one of them, although it's pretty inoffensive, at least for the first two and a half minutes; it kind of goes a bit downhill at that point, though not too far. It's the standard Arjen Lucassen problem, he can pull together a ton of talented people, especially vocalists, but then ends up using them mostly on really cheesy attempts at being epic. Huh, is that Hansi Kurch? I forgot he was on this album. Considering this album was basically the culmination of half a dozen concepts albums worth of zany alien time travel plot shenanigans, it kind of needed to be a lot stronger to do justice to whatever legacy it was hoping to fulfill. Oh yeah, this song in particular. It's listenable.
4/10
As for System of a Down, based on my experience of that one song they're one of the assiest things in the universe <_<
Shifting from Ayreon to Megadeth is quite the change! I believe I've already given my thoughts on this album in general ("it's very good"), although I'll point out here that I find this track a tad on the weaker side; it's a bit too repetitive early on and the main riff isn't really forceful enough to carry it off. It still sounds okay, especially since you've got some nice guitar leads thrown in, but it doesn't truly take off until the second half of the song really ramps the energy level up.
7/10
From: VeryInsane | #275 I lied.
*Takes another pitch*
You are now tantalizingly close to achieving your goal <_< And will be closer still by the end of this write up, I imagine.
I quite like Suffocation but I much prefer their earlier material (wow, a death metal band whose early works are their best? What a shock!). This isn't bad, but it just doesn't really have the same intensity or quality, and also I feel like Frank Mullen's vocals were at their best on Effigy, which is my favourite of their albums. Almost at the character limit so let's end it here by saying "I like it".
6.5/10
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Well the "HEY"s in the beginning are already dragging this down a ways. Hmm, we're shaping up for that to be a trend, the vocals are consistently crummy and mess up what would otherwise be...mediocre <_< Okay so it's not a tragedy to screw up a potentially mediocre song (and the chorus isn't so hot regardless) but still, I dislike the vocals and will continue to reiterate that the vocals suck because I dislike these vocals and think that they suck because they're bad and I dislike bad things like these vocals which are bad. I think I just retroactively got an F in my grade 12 English class for that sentence.
4/10
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A lot of specialty matches get "broken" as soon as you think about them. Faces should never win I Quit matches any more because heels can use the audience (or a commentator or someone backstage or whoever) as a hostage, you can use all kinds of weird stuff to keep people down in Last Man Standing matches, steel cage matches with the door have never made sense, any no DQ match should never *not* consist of the first person to get a weapon shot in winning because they just deliver 230 chair shots in a row and all of these matches where a heel has a crony should follow the Cena/Miz I Quit match formula and be a handicap match in practice, etc.
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Odds are this will fail unless she's very, very desperate or already has a major interest in you (AKA she's very desperate AM I RIGHT sorry that was rude).
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From: Jakyl25 | #225 Maybe it's just the way WWE does them, I dunno. I just feel like they have too many winning attempts to stall the match.
Yeah this is the one real problem with Last Man Standing matches for me, you get to 8 after like ten minutes and then spend the next fifteen working up to 10. It's kind of the same thing with how pin attempts pretty much go straight to 2 and then you spend the rest of the match going 2! 2.2! 2.5! 2.8! 2.91! 2.998! but it's way more noticeable in Last Man Standing matches because the count is so much longer.
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From: Lopen | #206 Also random thought it's funny how AJ and Daniels are lovers having issues on both TNA and WWE. We just need Daniel Bryan to brainwash AJ's friend uhh... does AJ have friends.
Is Kaitlyn still employed?
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From: FL81 | #264 Annotations Of An Autopsy - Gore Gore Gadget
Song title is godlike, just want to point that out.
Otherwise this is not very good. There's a riff showing up a few times here that seems kind of good, but too much of this gets into standard deathcore territory and ends up being pretty crappy, plus the vocal style is not really fitting, it's kind of hard to pull off multiple types of death metal vocals in a single song well and this is not a good example of it, in addition to the fact that the whole pig squeal thing is pretty terrible. BREEE BREEEE. So exciting! This is getting worse as it goes, as the riffs get worse and worse and the guitar work in general starts to feel almost like it's trying to be lame tech death. In the end, it kind of sucks and gives me a vague urge to go brush my teeth. I don't know how that makes sense either but it would be a lot more fun than listening to this!
3/10
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Unintentional comedy is a plus! And like I said, zero is pretty damn hard to get, I don't even have a clear idea for how bad a song would have to be to score a 0/10. Maybe if it literally caused physical pain, but then the production job on Ulver's Nattens Madrigal album gives me a headache sometimes and I'd not rate it too low, so even that may not suffice!
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From: greengravy294 | #258 It's more for the potentially funny write-up.
Let's continue with bands I enjoyed ten years ago that I really can't listen to anymore.
System of a Down- BYOB
The write up would probably just have me swearing and finishing with afodifhjewfiohefwiou because my head collapsed onto the keyboard.
So yeah, System of a Down. This is really bad. Like, really, REALLY bad. Is this serious? I thought I remembered this band being bad but not THIS bad. The vocals are an absolute farce and the music couldn't be blander if it tried. I mean, if it tried, at least it would be notable for the sheer blandosity of its blandness, but this is just unbland enough to be too bland to even stand out. I guess this explains why System of a Down is a band I've never been able to think of anything by, I'm going to have to down a bottle of whiskey tonight and hopefully by tomorrow morning I'll have forgotten this travesty exists. I guess it deserves a little credit for the comedy, although the fact that it probably wasn't unintentional hurts.
1/10
From: shadosneko | #259 dammit gravy numetal isn't metal
I know a lot of people on 235 don't really like these guys, but I love them.
What do you think of Stu Block moving to Iced Earth?
My opinion on Iced Earth in general is that after the first two or three albums they've been pretty uninteresting with the occasional decent song thrown in and so I don't really care about any line up changes they undergo now because it's not like I'll listen to them unless they come here on tour and there's a band that doesn't suck opening for them (or they're opening for a good band, but that's less likely).
Alright, Into Eternity. The soft beginning isn't all that bad, but once that ends I feel like this was deliberately intended to annoy me and only me. According to metal-archives these guys originate from Saskatchewan. And yeah, I'm one of the 81 people on the planet who can spell that name correctly on the first try every time. Suck it. Oh, the point. Yeah I think this is some elaborate inter-provincial warfare, and regardless its even more reason to mock Saskatchewan. Flat, boring province that produces crappy music. There's a reason all my family stays on this side of the border! What was I even talking about?
3/10
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I am trying to get a zero because it hasn't been doled out yet I think. You can sing along with the lyrics in the video itself too.
Getting a zero is probably even harder than getting a 10, because at least I know what the latter is; any song that could merit a 0 is a song I wouldn't have listened to enough to be certain it really did suck that hard. Also, you're a dick for trying to make me listen to something that will make my ears bleed.
Oh yeah, Linkin Park. Crawling, skin, etc. Funny thing is...this sucks but it isn't really that annoying. It's just kind of there. It's a very tolerable type of crap, the kind that you're still glad isn't in your body any more but it doesn't smell *that* bad and it goes away with a single flush. What a pleasant metaphor, hope no one was eating when they read that.
2.5/10
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