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You could maybe just buy a game, play it, then when you're done buy another game, etc.

Or is that easier said than done? <_<

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Has anyone dominated either of the big Lucha feds in the last year?

They normally don't weight Lucha as high as Puro, but Mistico got in the Top Ten twice.

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On the flip-side of that, it's kinda mind-boggling that Daniel Bryan of all people has been one of the best-handled, well-managed talents in the last five years.

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From: SmartMuffin | #251
IMO, Dolph Ziggler is the worst-handled, most mis-managed talent in wrestling in the last five years at least, if not longer.

Brock Lesnar might have something to say about that soon!

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From: ninkendo | #250
I don't know if my body is ready for Raw and Smackdown on back to back nights being run by Teddy Long

It's a tag team of WWE programming!

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Only the end of 2001 is crazy.

The rest is spectacular.

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(If you're wondering why Bryan gets ahead of Henry when they basically had a very similar year but in reverse of each other, PWI historically values recency as somewhat of a tiebreaker when merits are close. They're trying to sell relevant magazines here!)

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Okay so I'm gonna back off my Aries prediction too.

Except in 1997 when they went with Malenko #1 as an experiment, and in 2002 when RVD got #1 by demolishing the midcard when the WWE main event scene was in constant flux and no competition existed (literally it hit the perfect timeframe between the death of WCW and birth of TNA), no one has sniffed that close to #1 without at least holding the top title in their company.

Here are my revised predictions for the Top Nine Wrestlers from American feds. History shows that there's always at least one Japanese guy (or Mexican in the case of Mistico) somewhere in the Top Ten (but no more than two!), so I'm leaving that spot open for people with more knowledge of that subject than me.

#1: CM Punk
Most days as a World Champ, most relevant wrestler of the last year, defended the title at Wrestlemania

#2: Bobby Roode
Longest World Title reign of the year, won BFG Series, Main Evented BFG

#3: Sheamus
Won World Title at Wrestlemania, won Royal Rumble, Can count losses on one hand

#4: Daniel Bryan
Won MitB Briefcase, Lengthy reign as Champion, poor first half of period

#5: Austin Aries
Longest X-Division Champion ever, status grew continuously throughout period, Can count losses on one hand

#6: Kurt Angle
Defended World Title in Main Event of Bound For Glory, 2 Tag Title wins, Lost feud with Storm

#7: Mark Henry
Dominated Randy Orton to win and retain Title, Hall of Pain became more than a marketing gimmick, Disappeared in Final Half

#8: Davey Richards
Longest title reign of any kind during the year, Carried company during corporate changeover, sparse amount of defenses for most of reign

#9: John Cena
3 quick stints as World Champ during the period, Main Evented Wrestlemania (and most PPVs in which he appeared), More losses than usual for him in a year

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Here's a list of Champs during the timeframe:
EDIT: Adding in some additional accomplishments

WWE Championship
John Cena x3 (51 days total)
CM Punk x2 (251 days total)
Rey Mysterio (90 minutes total)
Alberto Del Rio x2 (84 days total) [Money in the Bank winner]

World Heavyweight Championship
Randy Orton x2 (52 days total)
Christian (28 days total) [Intercontinental Champion]
Mark Henry (91 days total)
Big Show (2 minutes total) [Intercontinental Champion]
Daniel Bryan (105 days total) [Money in the Bank Winner]
Sheamus (90 days total) [Royal Rumble Winner]

TNA World Championship
Mr. Anderson (11 days total)
Sting (27 days total)
Kurt Angle (72 days total) [2x TNA Tag Team Champion]
James Storm (8 days total) [TNA Tag Team Champion]
Bobby Roode (248 days total) [TNA Tag Team Champion, Bound For Glory Series Winner]

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So taking that into consideration, I can definitely see Sheamus as #4 over Davey. Sheamus was dominant during the period even when he WASN'T Champ, plus he won the Rumble.

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Just looking at some past ROH Champs in the Top 10:

2007: Morishima was #10
2008: Nigel was #8
2009: Nigel was #6
2011: Eddie Edwards was #9

So yeah I suppose they do rank the top puro titles higher than ROH. Puro guys have gotten as high as #2 (Misawa in '97).

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What does help Roode some is that during the "Summer of Punk" Roode was still going out there as a singles guy and winning the BFG Series.

And for the first month and a half of the grading period he was Tag Champ with Storm still too. <_<

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I think the Top Four are a given:
1.) Punk
2.) Roode
3.) Aries
4.) Richards

Any of you puro guys feel free to toss some names in because they weigh the top Japanese titles roughly the same as ROH Titles.

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Considering that they weigh WWE Titles as greater than their respective TNA Titles, yes. <_<

AJ Styles was #1 a couple years ago but that's because he had a huge reign and the WWE titles were getting passed around like hot potatoes.

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It's July 1st.

You know what that means! PWI 500 time!

The 2011-2012 ranking period is officially over.

Who do YOU think deserves to be #1 based on their kayfabe accomplishments from July 1st, 2011 through June 30th, 2012?

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Anderson Silva
Forrest Griffin
Cung Le
Demian Maia
Chad Mendes
Mike Easton

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Nothing a little duct tape can't cure

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They had a bunch of rules about Minor Fouls and Flagrant Fouls and such where accumulating 3 minor fouls or 1 flagrant foul was an automatic DQ (minor fouls were stuff like using the ropes for assistance or stepping outside the ring or an accidental eye poke, etc.)

In the end the only minor foul committed at all was Cole going outside the ring to get O'Reilly after he superkicked him out, and it didn't affect the match at all.

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From: TimJab | #220
i'm really surprised that you weren't pumped for cole/o'reilly

i think i was anticipating that match even more than davey/steen since the winner wasn't a foregone conclusion

Not knowing who will win is only a minor factor in my match anticipation.

I really thought the dumbass rules in the Cole/O'Reilly match would bog it down and turn it into a clunky piece of crap.

Then it turned out that the rules basically were never used.

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Andy Murray can't keep his balls in his shorts.

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Or I guess if they put the WWE Title MitB Match last they could say Punk vs. Cena > Cena vs. Jericho vs. Show vs. Kane and give PUNK the credit. Maybe!

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Oh crap I just realized.

There's no way this year's MitB gets the buyrate last year's did.

Punk vs. Cena
Punk vs. Bryan

GEE I WONDER WHO WILL GET THE CREDIT? <____<

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Further proof that Miz is the problem.

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Over the Limit 2012 (Cena vs. Laurinaitis, Punk vs. Bryan) buyrate is in:
171,000 buys

Compared to 2011 (Cena vs. Miz torture porn, Orton vs. Christian 2)
140,000 buys


Yay Punk and Bryan! Even though we know they'll probably not get much credit for it, at least they can't hold anything AGAINST them.

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Yeah, I loved all 3 in that opening promo. AJ was actually the lowlight!

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ROH SPOILERS


Striking while the iron is piping hot for once!

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Someone on PWB brings up an interesting point.

When was the last time before this SD that the guy with the jobber entrance won the match cleanly over the guy with the full entrance?

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Cole: "Del Rio didn't get his shot because he got a concussion."

Booker: "And who's fault is that? You gotta MAN UP in this business!"


Booker with tremendous concussion awareness.

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SNME is why I put "weekly" in there at the beginning of that tangential discussion.

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Nah, the Divas division suffered most by Finlay deciding to return to the ring as an active competitor in the mid-'00s!

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Well it doesn't change the broadcast rating as long as they're censored, so there would be no hard and fast restriction, but WWE likes to maintain as close to constant PG as they can get so that they can sell the entire product as PG.

Has anyone dropped anything worse than an "ass" though?

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Watching SD now, holy crap at that Otunga entrance.

They just sold me on Otunga vs. Chris Masters!

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I always say that the most ironic thing about WWE's decision to go PG is that the character most affected by it is Vince.

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Well I mean more in the sense that Extreme Rules was rated TV-PG but Cena vs. Lesnar got so brutal that the DVD actually had to get rated TV-14.

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Well if Cena vs. Lesnar proved anything it's that they WILL cheat PG if they really want to.

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That's an ad revenue decision though. It's a compromise they're willing to make for that sponsor cash!

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But anyway, realistic PG movies might suck, but WWE has proven in the past that it can be realistic, PG, and awesome.

The problem, as always, is the piss-poor writing and booking. Not the rating or the direction.

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From: Chronic1000 | #174
Jakyl25 posted...

Cobbling together a list here...

Cena
Bryan
Lawrence Taylor
Taka Michinoku
RVD (WWE debut)
Sable

All quality matches

You mean the 1997 match where he squashed Jeff Hardy?



That wasn't a WWE debut, that was an ECW match on Raw! <_____<

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http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=PG&p=.htm

You might be right there!

The highest-grossing "realistic" PG movie of all-time is....My Big Fat Greek Wedding?

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Was KotR '02 Jamie Noble's debut match in WWE or did he have to win a match to get that title shot? Anyone remember?

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Cobbling together a list here...

Cena
Bryan
Lawrence Taylor
Taka Michinoku
RVD (WWE debut)
Sable

All quality matches

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You know who honest to goodness might be Top Ten on this list?

Sable.

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This is gonna be tough because I doubt I could even come up with another 10 debut matches I remember vividly enough to rate <_<

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You said Top 10 'famous wrestler debut matches' I thought you wanted the 10 most famous, my bad!

Well on THAT list, Cena's debut and Bryan's debut are head and shoulders above the others.

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And then you have stuff like Kane who has a pretty famous DEBUT but not in a match he wrestled in.

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I was basically just parsing lists of World Champions and seeing if I actually remembered their debut match (or at least their debut matches for the company they made their name in).

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From: SmartMuffin | #148
Jak, how about a list of the Top 10 "famous wrestler debut matches" of all time.

Somewhat tough to quantify given that wrestlers hop from fed to fed but here we go:

Just throwing 10 out there in no true particular order
1.) Undertaker, SvS '90
2.) Rock, SvS '96
3.) Cena, SD '02
4.) Goldberg, Nitro '97
5.) Vince, Rumble '99 (HE WON THE RUMBLE)
6.) Giant, Halloween Havoc '95 (more like infamous)
7.) Bryan, NXT '10
8.) Angle, SvS '99
9.) Edge, Raw '98 (more like infamous)
10.) Christian, Judgment Day IYH (he won a title!)

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Velocity was home to awesome matches! True, it's only notable for one Cruiserweight Title change (and in hindsight for featuring Cena vs. Bryan back in '03), but I always looked forward to Velocity.

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Wrestling Challenge was a long-running show but it was NEVER essential viewing.

I mean, the show lasted 10 years and it's most notable for one Tag Title change and for having Triple H's debut match.

Shotgun was awesome! ...for two months.

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AM Raw, BottomLine, AfterBurn, Excess, Confidential, Tuesday Night Titans, Spotlight, LiveWire, Mania, The WWE Experience...

...you can all go to Hell! Straight to Hell!

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