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I've lived with worse.

It's only unfair to them when you are a Republican politician.

They define "woman" differently. It's a simple concept.

I dislike TERFs even more than I dislike typical radfems but it's not remotely difficult to understand the premise of their beliefs.

Really important not to no true scotsman every bad part of your preferred political alignments. Certain people in here will simultaneously say TERFs have nothing to do with feminism but then conflate a whole bunch of contradictory internet men's movements as the same thing.

It's a weird issue. 5 justices of the current Supreme Court are garbage. All 9 radfems would also be garbage, but to a lesser extent than the current garbage 5. Women live longer than men on average and I imagine most radfems are women, so it'd be harder to eventually replace them than the 4 crusty conservative dudes there currently ruining the country.

The money tips my hand without me being able to make a genuine decision.

No.

I wonder what the chances this guy actually votes Biden in the end are.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4702736-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-mondaire-jones-jamaal-bowman-new-york-primary/

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) appeared to fault progressive former Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-N.Y.) for not backing their fellow New York Democrat Rep. Jamaal Bowman in his primary race.

Ocasio-Cortez reposted an article Tuesday from The New York Times that reported Joness endorsement of Bowmans primary challenger, George Latimer. She called on Democrats to unite behind Bowman in her post on social platform X to ensure he wins his reelection bid.

Jamaal Bowman has earned support across the entire Democratic Party from House leadership and the Congressional Black + Progressive Caucuses to Labor + grassroots bc he is a proven, effective,& beloved leader. Dem unity means supporting Bowman. Thats how we win in November, Ocasio-Cortez wrote.

In his interview with The New York Times, Jones explained he could not stand by and do nothing as Bowman became critical of Israel amid its war against militant group Hamas in Gaza.

As someone who is among the most popular Democrats in the Hudson Valley, it is my prerogative to play a dispositive role in ending this long, painful nightmare that we have been experiencing since Oct. 7, Jones told the Times, which noted he plans to make his endorsement official Tuesday.

Jones criticized Bowman in his interview, saying there is nothing progressive about rushing to call for a cease-fire in the days following Oct. 7.

Many progressives, including Bowman and Ocasio-Cortez, supported a cease-fire resolution in the early days of the Israel-Hamas war.

Other Democrats also criticized Jones for turning on Bowman in his reelection bid, according to Semafor. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) said she was appalled, while Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.) said it was disgusting.

Jones also screwed over progressives in a 2022 race, attempting to run in a different district from the one he was elected in at the time, splitting votes with the actual local progressive candidate and allowing a moderate to win.

He could've instead chose to run for re-election in his original district, but stepped aside because a former Dem. party Chair wanted his seat instead (and said ex-Dem. party Chair then lost to the Republican in the general lol). Dude has been a persistently useful idiot for the establishment.

But tbh the ongoing trainwreck of NY politics is hilarious. >_>

In an interview with the conservative NY Compost no less: https://nypost.com/2024/06/03/us-news/ny-democrat-leader-silent-on-squad-member-jamaal-bowman-after-praising-primary-rival-george-latimer/

The chairman of the New York State Democratic Party gave a Squad snub and went silent on liberal Rep. Jamaal Bowman moments after effusively praising the incumbent politicians primary opponent.

Chairman Jay Jacobs had nothing but nice things to say about Westchester County Executive George Latimer, a moderate who has gained momentum while Bowman is under fire for anti-Israel statements and other political missteps.

If elected, George Latimer would make an excellent congressman, Jacobs told The Post Monday.

But asked what he thinks of Bowman, Jacobs only said, No comment.

Bowman, the former Bronx middle school principal, is seeking a third-term in the 16th House district encompassing southern Westchester and parts of the northern Bronx.

George Latimer is a good friend of mine, said Jacobs, a moderate and close ally of Gov. Kathy Hochul who also is the Nassau County Democratic leader.

He said they have worked together over the years not just on politics but issues important to suburban and urban New Yorkers.

Jacobs stopped short of endorsing Latimer, but party insiders said hes made it clear that hes pulling for Latimer to win the June 25 primary.

If party leaders can't protect incumbent representatives they could at least remain neutral on the races.

A minority preferring a different nominee is irrelevant, not since Obama 2012 has there been a nominee that 30% of the party didn't want.

No.

I'm a disaffected populist independent, which is commonly confused with that.

Doesn't hurt much, I'll just look more intimidating.

Miquella posted...

Why would agreeing on the initial crime even matter if falsifying business records is a crime in itself?

Legally apparently they don't necessarily have to agree on the nature of the initial crime, just that some crime was being hidden at all.

But the difference is that while falsifying business records in any context is still a crime, it's just a misdemeanor. It only becomes a felony if the intention behind it is to camouflage other criminal activity.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Youre giving these people absolutely too much benefit of the doubt. There is no coherent issue here.

I'm referring to the small faction of them that's trying to put sentient thought to the matter but just getting confused.

The coherent issue being drawn was that Trump was found guilty of falsifying business records to conceal another crime, but the jurors were told they didn't have to agree on what the other crime being covered up was (out of three possibilities), and MAGA is claiming that if the bench can't agree on what the initial crime was then it's not actually unanimous.

Apparently this is just how the law works and they have to accept it but it would come off weird to someone not fully acquainted with the process.

Imagine being told in like 2010 that eventually Nintendo would allow breast sliders and incest but Sony won't. >_>

Good. His beliefs are not in line with the Democratic party's. Manchin is definitely more accurately defined as an independent.

Good topic, most people don't think as far as some of the posts in here.

hockeybabe89 posted...

and also personally end genocides in places like China, Ukraine, Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, North Korea, Myanmar, etc?

That would cause massive wars.

People are simply asking America to stop directly supplying war criminals.

Jill Stein is a Russian shill but the sad thing is who knows where the Green Party would be without corrupt grifting scumbags in the mix.

Howie Hawkins was their nominee last election in 2020. He's pro-Ukraine and has advocated military aid ever since Russia annexed Crimea. He played the whole election fair, honest, and respectable.

The result? Party only got ballot access in like 33 states despite a relatively strong 2016 showing with 46 states, due in part to aggressive Democratic lawsuits to block their access this time around.

Stein would've never let that stand, she'd have been grifting millions to fight the establishment, unscrupulously pressuring for state signatures, boosting the Greens with social media propaganda and smears about the opposition, working with her foreign buddies, etc.

Since the Greens figured out playing nice when your opponents are not isn't very productive they predictably switched back to Stein for 2024.

lol

Heineken14 posted...

Better.

Roe wouldn't have been overturned.

There's no guarantee of that, if Hillary didn't also win the Senate then McConnell could've just kept blocking her court picks until 2020 where she'd almost surely lose re-election due to covid and a gridlocked government. Republican enters office, appoints the same Heritage/Federalist crackpots, and we end up in the same spot.

To be fair even if Trump lost no supporters himself he could still fall behind if a lot of previously neutral people sided with Biden.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Yeah it's gonna be damn near impossible to sell even the most lukewarm moderates on a candidate that's now officially a convicted felon

I think his campaign is cooked

All the swing voter types I knew dropped him after 1/6. It's questionable if traditional moderates who care about the rule of law were any significant base of support for him anymore.

tremain07 posted...

Maybe it dawned on him that with this, it's effectively over for his re-election,

Thing is it's not over for him unless he actually gets a sentence that interferes with his ability to campaign. Trump was already impeached and confirmed a sexual predator in court, him committing 34 felonies of varying severities probably lower than the aforementioned actions is just more dirt on the pile.

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Just like he wouldnt be charged and wouldnt be found guilty, etc

Well I never claimed he wouldn't be charged and found guilty, but getting a significant punishment is a much longer shot.

...>_>

Worried about the meltdown lol.

justaguy3492 posted...

So by criticizing people who say they are nonvoters we are turning them into nonvoters? The logic ain't logicing.

Maybe don't cut out the first 2/3rds of a post and you won't interpret them so poorly.

16-BITTER posted...

Proof gatekeeping is beneficial overall.

No, depriving people things for no reason at all is not beneficial.

Technically spoilers but not a plot twist, there is not a person alive who thought that encounter would have a different result.

So? Obviously they don't want competition.

AI makes the power of art available even to those without any actual talent. I oppose anyone trying to artificially limit things more than I oppose artificial creation.

I just don't think it's good taste for AI to be allowed in real art competitions lol.

People aren't understanding that going "but Trump is worse in this issue" is irrelevant since Trump doesn't need pro-Palestinian voters to win.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/green-new-deal-backers-in-danger-of-losing-primaries/

Congress could lose some of the most outspoken Green New Deal supporters in Democratic primaries, though their allies are doing everything they can to stop that.

Reps. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) and Cori Bush (D-Mo.) who have gained influence as top Democrats on two energy-related subcommittees are facing some of the strongest primary challenges of the 2024 election cycle.

Aware of the danger, progressive groups are prioritizing the races with donations and phone banking, while arguing that the challengers are Republican-funded stalking horses.

Both Bowman and Bush back policies like the Green New Deal and Medicare for All, and both are being targeted by more centrist candidates in safely Democratic districts.

The Green New Deal, a proposal for rapid decarbonization and more government involvement in energy, housing, health care and other areas, doesnt appear to be the main driver behind any of the opposition to the incumbents.

Instead, the challengers, backed by pro-Israel interests, have focused heavily on the incumbents opposition to much of Israels military and humanitarian strategy in its war in Gaza following the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel by Hamas. The attackers are estimated to have killed nearly 1,200, while Palestinians say nearly 35,000 have died due to Israels response.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee has backed Bowman challenger George Latimer and Bush challenger Wesley Bell, as has Democratic Majority for Israel.

AIPACs affiliated super political action committee, the United Democracy Project, this week booked $1.9 million for advertisements in Bowmans race, its first expenditures in the primary, according to ad data firm AdImpact. UDP is expected to spend at least $20 million each in Bowmans and Bushs races, The Intercept reported.

Polls and fundraising numbers have favored the primary challengers. A March poll by the Mellman Group, commissioned by Democratic Majority for Israel, had Latimer with 52 percent, 17 points ahead of Bowman, though an Upswing Research poll earlier that month, commissioned by Bowmans campaign, had Bowman 1 point ahead, at 44 percent.

Latimer has raised $3.6 million, ahead of Bowmans $2.7 million, as of the end of March.

Bell led Bush 50 percent to 28 percent in the last public poll in that race, conducted in February by Remington Research Group and commissioned by the news outlet Missouri Scout. Bell has raised $1.7 million to Bushs $1.5 million.

Money in politics continues being gross.

KogaSteelfang posted...

it is my own fault

If you're a decent person already then not changing isn't a "fault".

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

yeah clearly considering the amount of people who seem to think a relationship with an 18 year old married woman is a good start for TC

The comparison was between bad start and no start. Nobody said the idea was good.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Im not gonna lie chief this doesnt read that great

Sorry. :/

jeffhardyb0yz posted...

ugh

Okay, to be fair, I put thought to the fact that TC rejected this idea from the start and from that I think you guys may be right, the shame of going along with this may impact TC more than not doing so. So he could be making the right decision and shouldn't beat himself up over that.

I was hastily projecting my own perspective onto him, which produces inaccuracies. I was basically just thinking that personally I'd be really salty if I was a virgin at 40 and then being told to forfeit my only opportuinity of rectifying that, my only chance of dating someone who actually likes my natural personality, my only chance of dating someone without 20+ years more experience than me, etc. But I am not TC. >_>

--Zero- posted...

There is no situation where a 40 year old isnt grooming an 18 year old when they date. Hopefully TC stuck to saying no. Its beyond creepy to even suggest it or consider it. The maturity gap is just too wide.

But aren't some 40 year olds not mature? Like I don't think I'm gonna be particuarly mature at 40, I'll probably still be making butthurt posts on gaming forums like I currently am. :/

Dungeater posted...

what the fuck are so many of u saying to try it for

Because there is a large possibility he spends his entire life alone otherwise.

We can't all be hot CEmen. >_>

archizzy posted...

This isnt self sabotage. Its avoiding a fucking Jerry Springer episode. And I know CE largely has no issue with massive age gaps as long as its legal but a guy in his 40s with a teenager is fucking weird. It always will be to me. The family dynamic and the way your brother is pushing for it is even weirder.

But he's a guy in his 40s with zero experience, it's not like how in the average 40 year old dude's case they'd be some master manipulator compared to an 18 year old.

thronedfire2 posted...

stop dogpiling on me

I'm sorry, I lose composure when targeted by rumors.

Trumble posted...

It's also very plausible they're just picking fights with so many people that they're starting to get them mixed up.

True, I've noticed especally back on the Politics board that people would often scold me for opinions some other dude posted, just completely rearranging the identities of those with opposing views.

StealThisSheen posted...

You're clearly an alt, so why would literally anybody believe you on anything? It doesn't matter whose alt you actually are, you're hiding behind an alt.

It definitely matters whether you're arguing with three people or just two. Come on now. Accusing everyone on the other side of a specific debate of being the same guy helps minimize that side's point.

thronedfire2 posted...

I've never seen you here before.

Fair enough. This was another recent topic where starting from post 132 I was on the unpopular side of the debate defending a select few users, but TC was nowhere to be found:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80775694

thronedfire2 posted...

also there's nothing stopping separate troll accounts from trolling in different topics lmao

I'm saying that if your logic is purely, "you're this higher karma user's alt because you're on a low karma account siding with his unpopular point" then that would make me a ton of people with different posting styles' alts. It's a silly assumption in this particular case.

MrDrMan posted...

Example #1 is thronedfire trying to lie and say I was just warned two weeks ago yet literally nobody else remembers it. Thats because it never happened. Trying to undermine my point by making up stories.

Considering he just tried to discredit me as your alt even though I've served my current role in multiple topics made by other people as well, very believeable that he just up and lied about you too.

Goderator posted...

Seeming as how you portrayed yourself as a foreveralone for years, you probably should give it a try for month or something

Yeah that's the sad thing. For most guys this is an obvious hell no, but TC is 40 years old with no romantic experience. This could be his only chance to date any woman, let alone a young attractive one. So it's a hard question to answer.

thronedfire2 posted...

TC was told within 10 posts how bad his opinion was and kept going. He knew.

also, you're a 2016 account with 95 karma. So probably one of TC's alts

Dude I've been getting in tons of arguments TC had no part of, ask anyone.

BrohammedAli posted...

They dont violate the ToS, OP does.

Its not a very hard concept.

There is no way for a random user to know which opinions break the "provoking users to react negatively" rule though, the moderators decide that themselves.

Dungeater posted...

why can't something be stupid enough that a whole mess of people feel obligated to call it out or dunk on it

why does it have to be a conspiracy

The conspiracy is that they don't get modded for it while the original guy does. >_>

My school got shut down lol.

MrDrMan posted...

I was warned from trolling which is provoking users but people are allowed to provoke me all day uninhibited.

Yeah it's brazenly biased, CE can mod people for opinions but not the others literally insulting them.