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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm legitimately starting to find myself in favor of the Ctes lynch though. Ctes flip will either confirm or rule out the possibility of a Scum Ulti, he's like 99% likely to be 3P if he's not scum so it's still something that needs to happen anyways.

And hell, I was dead right about Ben's flavor being wrong, why shouldn't I be right about Ctes? You can call me the Flavor Deity after Ctes flips anything but Starburns.

Not gonna vote yet, it's late and I had a long day so it's entirely possible there's angles I'm missing, but even the possibility of 2 scum and a 3P there aren't many scenarios that would lose us the game outright today.

So one important thing about Ctes: he has committed to gambling his life tonight. If he doesn't die overnight and doesn't have a vig shot to show for it, then we lynch him.

Meanwhile, if we lynch IGCD and he flips scum, then Ulti is a liar and we kill him.

We have two players who are committing to actions that, if they don't follow through on them, would be claiming scum. Neither of those players are IGCD, and furthermore, IGCD has a guilty scan on him.

I don't think diverting to a Ctes lynch makes sense given those arguments. Ctes will be auto-resolved tomorrow, and Ulti will be resolved based on IGCD's flip.

If Ctes dies tonight, nobody will bat an eye. If he's alive and armed with a vig shot the following day, he could still be third-party, but the odds of scum him being scum are incredibly low unless this game's balance is extremely lopsided, giving scum three extra kills (assuming Ulti is town and IGCD is indeed scum, at least). In either case, I think we stand to benefit to let Ctes live an extra day and sort him out after he gets his night action in.

If IGCD flips scum, Ulti is town unless you want to believe in a super scum megabus Ulti theory, which I don't think is very likely. If IGCD flips town, we know scum framer is already dead, so the odds of that being a mistake are pretty darn low. Ergo, Ulti is likely scum.

I think the IGCD lynch makes more sense here. What do you think of these points?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And his wincon would be? Like don't get me wrong I could absolutely see him as third party too, but I don't understand what his wincon could be other than that of a survivor like Ben.

I agree with this. I don't understand what Ctes' win condition would be if he's third-party.

I could see FD's third-party win condition being something like "every living player has a cannister of love", but he certainly hasn't been playing as if that were the case.

I wonder if Lopen was actually the third-party we're trying to search for.

Meow1000 posted...

Oh fun, we're back to getting posts in Mafia topics modded. My first moderation here in several years.

Kirby seriously do yourself a favor and put me on block immediately after this game ends.

I promise you, that wasn't even me who reported any of your messages. But I just might block you anyway because you are truly insufferable and your vitriol has been a complete negative presence in this mafia game. You've crossed lines multiple times and refuse to be respectful or nice and have just constantly been insulting me and other players, and it's incredibly disrespectful to the host when she's already warned you to not be a dick.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You mean Blade and I pretended to shoot Ulti.

As much I want to kick Blade's teeth in hoping that he's scum, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here by saying he's town Doctor. Because Ulti is right. Blade could be town and Chang is actually scum. Or maybe it's just you.

The fact of the matter is that Ulti scanned Ben, a 4th party, guilty and is now scanning you guilty. If this is a scum gambit, why the fuck was there no kill last night? There's no way scum can expect to win off of just one mislynch unless there's three of them.

If you flip town, we lynch Ulti. It's really just that simple.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm complaining about you blindly following scum ulti to lose against a player that is mortally confirmed town through a no kill and you're just assuming that I continued to no kill multiple nights for what reason(something nobody has been able to answer) it is very infuriating.

I mean, you as scum could've shot at Death the night you were protected. Why would you do that? I don't know, but why would scum anyone shoot Isquen and SBell?

And Blade already mentioned that scum could've been shooting at Ulti this entire time hoping that Blade decides to get pissy and choose not to protect him.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I didn't and I'll play devils advocate here too, if you're actually town and we're given a guilty scan on me that means Lea fucked up. Because I am fucking town. And no I am not a Miller there is nothing that I am hiding here.

I'd sooner believe that scum had a second framer role than believe our archchancellor who has been working very hard and is probably beating herself up over something small like forgetting a comma somewhere (and is also backed by a co-host) made as devastating of a mistake as this.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Just because you do something stupid and it works out doesn't mean it wasn't still stupid to do it in the first place.

Just like how Corrik vigging scum within the first hour of a game was stupid, right?

Just saying... people don't generally complain or poke fun at actions that, on paper, are stupid but end up being a net benefit for town

IfGodCouldDie posted...

It's not a fucking contradiction, you jailed the person claiming to be a cop. That is objectively a wrong fucking play, Ulti shit on you for it the following day. Just fucking stop this fucking bullshit.

But if Ulti is scum like you're claiming, it was objectively the correct play.

Why do I get the feeling me making such an irrational action fucked up some crazy tactic scum was cooking to frame Ulti lmao

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh its totally a TMI slip but no need to rub it in. It happened, we vote him, we move on.

I know. But if Blade and IGCD's tactics are to fill the topic with rubbish to make it harder for FD and Chang to figure out what's going on, then I'm absolutely going to keep rubbing it in just to make sure that blatant contradiction never gets forgotten. Fighting fire with fire, you know?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Really, we kill IGCD the guilty scan tonight and we will see if jailer lets me bet my life the next night.

If I jail you tonight, then I will wear a crown of shame for actively throwing.

I'll leave you be for tonight. You'll either die a hero or murder scum with a fancy vig shot tomorrow. I have faith in you.

If you're alive tomorrow and don't have a vig shot, however... I will lynch you. But I don't think that needs to be said.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Like IGCD if town has to believe Ulti is lying. But votes me, that was probably the plan and they didn't believe that they would be scanned. Sometimes it's simple.

Here's the funny thing. Blade was whining about me being a bad player. Then IGCD says this in response:

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What do you mean. Roleblocking the cop was top notch

So IGCD was poking fun at my faux pas of roleblocking Ulti. But if Ulti is lying scum, and IGCD genuinely believed that, then I made the right call by jailing Ulti!

What an odd statement, don't you think?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So you acknowledge the sarcastic tone then continue to press that it was all a slip. Kirby come back to reality.

Gosh, I love cherrypicking and omitting context, too!

This is all very clearly an attempt to flood the topic with meaningless nonsense to make it harder for FD or Chang to figure out what's going on. Y'all can keep posting as much as you want, but it's going to end up being wasted time for a game that scum has no shot of winning.

I have faith in FD and Chang's intelligence. They'll know what the right decision is to make here. It's not too late to forfeit! Save us all some time here.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This is why I can actually believe he is scum cop and claimed his real role. It isn't the first time he has done this as scum either.

Let's pretend he's scum Cop. Emphasis on scum.

So me roleblocking the scum Cop was a "top notch" action, eh? I wholly agree!

If only you weren't quoting a post from Blade directly mocking me for my play this game. Otherwise, I might've considered giving you the benefit of the doubt :P

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You're I am sorry. I'm just stressing out because Ulti is about to win this and Blade is the only one making sense.

And that wasn't me admitting he was cop that was me stating how the game has been going based on what's been said.

You'll have to forgive me, but I don't believe you. That was a Freudian slip if I've ever seen one.

Ulti has a guilty scan on you. If you're town, Ulti obviously has to be lying because scum framer is dead and you didn't claim Miller. Therefore, Ulti isn't a Cop.

And yet, you eagerly agreed with Blade that me roleblocking the Cop was a "top notch" action, obviously in a sarcastic tone. But if Ulti isn't actually the town Cop and is instead scum, then my action wasn't so stupid now, was it?

Ergo, you just confessed that Ulti is truthfully the town Cop. Otherwise, you'd have no reason to agree with Blade and believe that was a moment of embarrassing play from me.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kirby, once we flip God Im trusting you understand the assignment. Roleblock ctes again.

Blade has to doc save me because of the impasse loop. If I die, we lynch him. This guarantees a scan on Chang. If Blade is town, scum has no possible way of stopping this scan. Non-ctes scum is now forced to shoot Blade if hes town, or even shoot you directly, but Im sure Blade will magically still be alive tomorrow.

Changs alignment is the only unsolved element here and we have a guaranteed way of finding it. Ctes possibly finding a double vote as scum is too risky and cant be allowed.

Wait, did I miss something? Did you ever scan FD?

Hear me out. If Ctes is alive and tomorrow and doesn't use a vig shot after you claim your scan, we lynch him. Otherwise, Ctes will wind up dead overnight if he's telling the truth.

Blade needs to be killed first in order for scum to have any chance of shooting you. On the highly off chance he's town, Blade will resolve himself that way until it gets to a final three.

The only people who can't self-resolve based on their claims are FD and Chang. I can jail one, you can scan the other. And if you wind up dead, Blade gets lynched.

Have I placed my vote down yet? ##Vote: IGCD

Meow1000 posted...

Kirby I didn't read your post. I don't care. You're a waste of my bandwidth on the day that's going to decide the game. It's day 8. I'm tired. I've been hoping to get shot the last three nights.

You are going to throw the game unless FD and Chang stop you.

Just Ulti's insistence alone that I'm on one of the dumbest teams to ever exist in the history of Mafia should be a red flag.

Then quit wasting my time and help me throw the game, because I'm not listening to an unrelenting asshole like you :P

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What do you mean. Roleblocking the cop was top notch

Oi. I don't have any ounce of respect for Blade, but I do have respect for you. I'd appreciate if you didn't pile on to his unnecessary insults, even if I did roleblock the Cop :P

... Hey, wait a goddamn minute, you just admitted Ulti was Cop!
YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT I MADE A MISTAKE ROLEBLOCKING THE COP

Brooooo there's no way you think Ulti is scum then lmfao

Meow1000 posted...

Honestly though. Kirby is so completely worthless at Mafia that he isn't even worth interacting with.

Chang, FD, you have to realize how completely asinine a team Ulti is proposing is and that his play today makes perfect sense with him being pseudo confirmed vote blocker.

Kirby is too worthless of a player to block Ulti from winning the game even if you flip me town today.

Genuinely, I hope I never have to play another game with you ever again. You're a terrible sport who relies on insulting other players to try and make a convincing argument. I can handle the insults, but I would never want other players to be subject to your abuse.

Kindly, fuck off.

Meow1000 posted...

Because Ulti stopped vote blocking him.

I'll make you a deal though. If you're still intent on siding with Ulti, lynch me today and roleblock him tonight once you see that I flip town. The game is over if you do not roleblock Ulti.

You're delusional :P

changmas posted...

i need to revisit the night where we presume IGCD was shot at. Thats the same time Kirby had RBd death, right?

That's correct. The night I jailed Death, IGCD was protected by Blade. Allegedly, at least.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kirby please find that Ben post for me. It has not necessarily in it. Thanks.

As a practitioner of the dark arts, this was trivial to locate. Topic 17, post #390.

PunishedBen posted...

The only people who try to shoot IGCD on the night he was saved, is an Ulti and Ctes scum team. But that's not the correct worldview this game. Flip it. Ulti is town. I dont know why Ctes was ever really linked to him.

Does IGCD being scum mean Blade is also scum?

Not necessarily. I always thought Wallz spewed Blade town.Its entirely possible scum just got very lucky and Blade protected a scum member on the night they no killed, and they got to run with it. But I really dont think IGCD was the attempted night kill on night 5, and i really don't trust IGCD himself. He is my number 1 pick for scum. If Blade looks worse as a result, you can kill Blade after IGCD flips scum.

Blade's claimed action today makes sense as the person scum would try to kill, yes. Ulti is really the only choice..... But does it really make sense that Blade CHOSE to protect Ulti?

Meow1000 posted...
| Why Ulti specifically was he was the most obvious kill on the planet on the 1% chance he wasn't scum.
|

He says himself. 1% chance. Its not very believable. This is the worst Blade has looked so far IMO if IGCD is scum here.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh I am not the mvp. You are. I just have the force of will to keep town on track when scum spews.

Don't get me wrong. Ben put 10,000x more work than I ever did into this game. Just that one post was my own contribution hehe

Meow1000 posted...

No, remember that Ctes was no longer vote stopped when Kirby blocked Ulti.

Him proposing this impossible team is a play to win.

You do realize Ctes can vote today and was able to vote the prior day, right?

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80769024/980434704

This post is why I scanned him btw. Its a fantastic find by Ben.

I want to take credit for that because I was the one who pointed it out to Ben in our neighbor chat lol

Guys, did none of you receive anything from FD?

Just making sure, did anyone get FD's cannister of love? I didn't.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ulti/Kirby is your team they played their cards too early, should have waited a day. Ulti probably is cop to help mafia find third party and Kirby obviously is Lopen's role.

I shouldn't be entertaining this since it's obvious guilty-scanning flailing

But Wallz flipped scum roleblocker, and Ctes confirmed that I roleblocked him. Unless you seriously think scum has two roleblockers, there's no way I can be scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh and since Bens flip basically told us 4/1/1, Im guessing ctes is the third party? Youve all but claimed knowing its a fact for like 4 days now.

That's my guess. Either Ctes or FD. I lean FD since Ctes at least scans innocent.

In any case, this will be another quick day. Good scan.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I prewrote that and no one actually died.

Kirby, you owe me a beer.

You'll have to forgive me for not believing in you when you've had, what, six nights to prove yourself lol

I figured that, if there was a death of any kind, clearing you from the murder would've been valuable. But with a NK here, looks like we're both losers now.

... Seriously, three NKs in a row is ridiculous. Ulti could singlehandedly win us the game now lol

Now that I know what you're plan is, Ctes, you better end up dead or have a vig shot locked and loaded tomorrow.

The funny option we could do today is just keep No Lynching until Ulti has scanned everybody in the game. It would be agonizing for our hosts and spectators alike, but it'd technically be optimal.

And there's no question today that Ulti is town, yes? Ben flipped guilty exactly as Ulti said, and without being affiliated with the Mafia, too. If Ulti is somehow scum, then this game state was never winnable to begin with.

So that leaves IGCD, Chang, and FD among the unscanned. One of them is bound to scan guilty.

Unfortunate that Chang hasn't said anything. No point in dragging out the game any further, then.

##Vote: Ben

I think poor Lea is going insane over how drawn out this game has been lol

So while we're waiting, Ben, wanna talk about how your secret Bulletproof ritual relates to Ben Chang?

I'll let Chang have the honor in case he has anything to add

Well, while we're here, let's discuss the NK last night.

Does it make sense for IGCD to be scum?
Does it make sense for Blade to be Doctor?
Does it make sense for scum to NK deliberately?

The only players left unscanned so far are me, FD, Chang, and IGCD. I assume scum will have a Godfather of some sort, so Ctes and Blade can also be in the PoE is we think there's two scum remaining.

Obviously, if Ulti dies at any point in the game, we lynch the fuck out of Blade. There is absolutely zero reason to not protect Ulti when there are unscanned players left in the game and scum can't immediately kill the Cop.

My read on the game?

FD as scum doesn't let me, Ulti, or Blade live this long, unless he's truly gone off the deep end with two scummates dead.

If Chang is scum, we might as well quit because scum mayor is just utterly unfair on top of an EK.

I think I've made my case for why I'm not scum.

Leaving IGCD as the best scan for tonight. But if he scans innocent, we're in trouble.

As for Ctes and Blade, it would not surprise me at all if either was the Godfather. Both have roles that are "confirmable", but both have convenient excuses to hide behind for their lack of true confirmation.

And then if Ben flips third-party, the chances of Ulti being scum Cop are absurdly low, barring weird mechanics that none of us could reasonably expect.

ctesjbuvf posted...

When is the last time we had 18 topics

Probably last time Ulti and Lopen were yelling at each other lol

In any case, I'm content to let the day end early and lynch Ben.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Kirby has been very insistent on Ben being town and being able to read him despite not that great a recent history with it.

I didn't take offense to your suspicions until this post >:(

I'll have you know I town read Ben last game easily, and in this game, I was especially adamant that Ben wasn't on the mafia team at the very least. I exposed his whole web of lies on Day 3 because I had a feeling he was third-party, but I ultimately decided that was a stretch and settled for him being town. Him being third-party let him blend in with his normal town tells, which like... give me a break here lol

PunishedBen posted...

And I also get to pick a word each night that has to be 6 or more letters long and not a mafia term. If they say it, it means I become bulletproof and scan innocent. That is the reason I had my neighbors post poems nights 1-3, to make sure they said the word I needed them to enough times.

Well, you conveniently left out that they needed to say it three times.

Hm... I guess you really are third-party. I don't think I trust you to not turn on town if things go south, though. You can die.

ctesjbuvf posted...

If Ben is simply scum I would guess there is only one left after him based on that, but it's not a hard read.

Ben was pretty adamant that Blade was town without much of a solid reason, so if I had to pick a scumbuddy for him, you know who I'd say lol

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Regardless of your intent, your role provides protection.

And it wouldn't have bothered me if you jailed me, my role doesn't really do anything anyways. You want to protect me tonight? Knock yourself out.

With all due respect, FD, what scum team shoots you this late into the game lol

I mean, this scum team is insane, honestly. Given that you're a logic-driven and a player that generally adopts safe, methodical tactics, I doubt you as scum would agree to any of the kills that transpired except for maybe MZero. You've got lots of town points in your favor, as far as I'm concerned. Jailing you would've been a waste.

Like, I get the feeling Blade or I would've been dead immediately after MZero if you were scum.

Also, Ben, how much longer do you plan on keeping this third-party ruse up?

I'm almost offended that people thought I wouldn't be meticulous enough to know how to use a simple search function. The whole "Bulletproof if they say a specific keyword" stuff is bogus. Ben contradicted himself when he said he wasn't Bulletproof N4 or N6 because I failed to say the keywords "though" and "really" on either of those nights. But the Discord search feature blatantly says otherwise.

Then Ben said this:
PunishedBen posted...

Read my books Kirby

Which, to me, was him signaling to not expose his lie and just keep up the facade. So I decided to play along to see where it went.

But honestly, this is stupid. Nobody believes Ben is actually third-party, right? The lie was incredibly obvious, and I don't think I hid it very well with my complete 180 >_>

And I'm especially shocked that Ben, if town, isn't fully laying into Ulti for the guilty scan. With scum Framer dead, Ulti has to be lying if Ben is town.

So yeah... color me deceived. Either Ben is scum, or Ulti has been scum this entire time and actually has two other living scummates ready to end the game. And given that Ben is repeating the IGCD discussion we had last night instead of investigating Ulti, I'm inclined to believe this really just is a scum Ben pulling out of his bag of tricks that nobody seems to be amazed by.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

lol the fact that you think that probably makes it the most likely. And if that's how you felt, why did you protect him?

You keep using the word "protect". I thought it was clear that the only way I intended to protect people was by roleblocking their killers lol

But Ben and I compromised on IGCD. He thinks Blade is town. I think Blade is scum. We both agree Chang and Ulti are town. And I didn't want to be the asshole who roleblocked Ctes on the chance that he actually won a double vote bet last night, assuming he's town at least. I already jailed the town Cop to no positive end, after all.

Tbh, my first instinct was to roleblock you. Not because I think you're scum, but because if I died, it'd be clear who I roleblocked and thus could give them a clear for not being my killer. Plus, if Ben was the one who told you guys who I roleblocked, none of y'all would believe him. That's before I even learned that he scans guilty lol

But I felt there were better odds of stopping a kill by jailing IGCD. So I settled for that.

Well, if you can look past Blade being a whiny bitch, he said he protected Ulti. Which is... a very predictable answer, to say the least.

Guess I'll claim my action. I jailed IGCD last night.

So we can interpret four possible scenarios:

1. Scum tried to shoot Ulti and failed.
2. Scum tried to shoot IGCD and failed.
3. IGCD is scum and got blocked.
4. Scum no killed.

I think #2 is obscenely unlikely. Why would scum try to shoot IGCD twice in a row?

UltimaterializerX posted...

He posted a chat the other day. With ctes I think?

This one, yeah? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80768598/980392198

Where did he imply there were only two scum there? I'm really not following your logic...

UltimaterializerX posted...

The bit about 2 scum left and the impasse loop. It was TMI.

You're gonna have to cite a source for that. Last I recall, Ben wasn't the first person to use the term "impasse loop", and I don't think he was ever asserting that there were only two scum left.

Everything he's said so far makes far more sense as guilty-scanning third-party. He has no choice but to town side if he wants to win the game, given that scum could very easily betray and shoot him for the victory. I'd rather lynch the person I jailed, but I want to hear from Blade first.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I was going to scan you, then remembered Ben legitimately did slip in one of his neighbor chats that hes now going to pretend he cant give us.

So I'm curious... what slip are you referring to?

Kinda finding it hard to follow how you pinned Ben for a slip for neighbor chats that you weren't a part of.

That being said, scum Ben would absolutely go for NK last night just to get me to lynch another townie. So I'm not gonna set aside that possibility, but with how quickly Ben posted that third-party claim, I'm inclined to believe I was right on the mark about his shifty behavior being a third-party thing than a scum thing.

I mean... it's a pretty elaborate lie. And it checks out. I said "though" and "really" on N2, but never "though" on N4 or "really" on N6.

So like... if that's a lie, Ben's been preparing this one for a long time now.

PunishedBen posted...

My only hope is that blade decided to be 5head and doc save no one

That would be quite damning for the person I jailed.

But I want to hear who Blade protected first.

Oh wait I was looking at the wrong channel.

... Wow, I never said "really" at all last night? That's insane

This doesn't make sense. Ben's third-party claim is lying horseshit, but if he's scum, he knows who I jailed. So why was there no kill last night?

PunishedBen posted...

First though, then the next one I tried "really"

You're lying. Discord's search function easily disproves that you should've been Bulletproof on nights 4 and 6, because I said those words you chose. Multiple times.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You assertion being that it is completely impossible for him to be trying hard as scum?

Anyways it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anyways so you're getting your wish.

It's not impossible, but I feel like you're trying to push blocks into the square hole. I just feel like you're focusing on a few negatives and completely ignoring Ben's other contributions.

Like, if you're going to pull that logic, what makes Ctes more towny than Ben?