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Will_VIII posted...

It gives Biden the power to, and he's stated as such.
I dunno why I'm expecting a reasonable or intelligent discussion with a 2 times MAGA voter though.

We must be looking at different things

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/emergency_national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

Please point out where biden can shut the border

I must have missed it on my first pass

Will_VIII posted...

Yeah you're not at all current because this is false. You're ignoring that bill which would result in Biden shutting down the border

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The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act does not "shut down the border."

Have you read the bill? Or any summary of it? Because what you said is definitely, for sure, 100% not in the text. You can't "get" me by woefully misrepresenting a bill.

Will_VIII posted...

Oh, her inability to state what the civil war was about wasn't a deal breaker for you huh.

Actually, that tracks given your history.

She's politicking when she does that

In order to escape the primaries she can't be a full moderate voice or she'll disappear.

Which, incidentally, she's already doing unfortunately. That's why she's going on the offensive now but it's probably too late and it'll be biden v trump round 2, to the chagrin of essentially everyone.

Will_VIII posted...

You ignoring this @NightingaleMD ?

Not at all, but it's largely outside the scope of this topic. Overall not a fan of seeing expansion of medicaid/medicare, universal health is a bad choice for a country this large (due to costs), poor immigration policy (none?????? Let everyone in??????? No plan???????), punish capitalists by taxing them to death, ignoring the free market by trying to regulate labor, so many things wrong.

The cherry on top is the most progressive wing abhors Israel, one of our very, very few allies in the region. Say what you will about Israel but having more friends is better than having fewer.

Of course you could equally fire back criticisms of right policies as well. You can also demonize "both sidzing" as you say, but I'm under no obligation to choose a side. I see too much fault with both to particularly care for either party.

Guide posted...

lol
lmao
hahahaha

idgi

He checks a lot of dem presidential checkboxes

he isn't in a cognitive decline

what's to lose here

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Nah

just till I finally heard him speak

I liked his enthusiasm and he has charisma

turned off by most everything else tho

Was hoping Haley would pull off SC but she's currently polling at 35%

sad

Heineken14 posted...

Biden IS a fucking moderate. Jesus fucking christ if you think the democrats are an extreme party.

Biden, under oath during a deposition, could not remember when his son died. Or the years he was vice president.

He may be a moderate but you need to wake up and realize he has "handlers" that keep him away from discussions not on a teleprompter. This is by design, not accident. Not comfortable with a president that has a staff pulling the strings.

He was a moderate before he lost his mind. This I will agree with.

Will_VIII posted...

Also the same national polls warned us that a red wave was coming in 2022, and that the Republicans were going to pick up seats in various 2023 elections.

How'd that turn out?

invalid comparison

Dobbs decision undercut the red wave

Not sure what will undercut november. The MAGA base will follow trump straight to hell. Getting convicted of major crimes only riles his (essentially anti-government) base.

The only elective instability will probably go at the local level as a top-down effect from nationals.

Another way your comparison isn't relevant.....most people don't want either candidate, so a result for either is a loss for democracy

ejolson posted...

This is the flawed two party system, which most of the western world has already figured out with coalition style governments but here we sit still using a concept dating back to the French Revolution, controlled by the wealthy and corporate America.

I used to think this too

But party systems are unavoidable. Our constitution was built around not using them, which lasted all of, what, 3 election cycles? The alternative is individual voice which tends to get drowned out by the bulk of what ultimately becomes a party.

Coalition government is becoming closer. We nearly had to have a coalition house when the MAGA wing sabotaged speaker votes. Would have forced a moderate republican into speakership. Too bad that didn't happen.

Tired of just seeing two extremes fighting, dying for any moderate at this point

WingsOfGood posted...

That isn't rigged. That is just there is only 2 parties and they can pick whatever candidate they want for whatever reasons but sure I guess you can argue that the primaries are rigged but does that really matter?
The larger issue if you want to make this point is people disregard third parties.

No, the larger issue is neither party is willing to move on from their nursing home candidates.

99% confident newsom would win in a landslide over trump if Newsom had the DNC's blessing to run. Now he's going to wait 4 more years.

Heineken14 posted...

People are literally voting for him in the democratic primaries.

What a dumb fucking topic.

That's incongruent with national polling showing majority of people from both parties don't want him on the ballot

Not sure you're getting the gist of the topic here

If I offer you a plate of blueberries and you take the blueberries that doesn't mean you want blueberries. It just means you took the only option given.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-dont-want-biden-to-run-again-poll-analysis/

This source says 69% of democrats DON'T want biden to run again.

A majority of democrats. An overwhelming majority of democrats. And that poll is a bit old, too lazy to find more recent data but I swear I saw that number climb over 70% recently.

And yet, he is being forced upon us. The DNC is such a powerful machine the will of the people doesn't seem to even matter.

Same on the republican side. Things are stacked so heavily against Trump's opposition they never were given a fair chance or even debate against trump.

I occasionally hear talk about a free an open election system here. On paper that's true. Anyone can file and run for president. But the machines in place are the kingmakers and they are the ones deciding who gets to run, we only decide who to vote for.

Sad.

DrizztLink posted...

Horseshit.

Do....do you have any refutation from a medical standpoint? Or is horseshit what we're going with?

I'm not sure we see these two individuals the same

--Zero- posted...

How big of an impact word of mouth from the media travels to make people turn against Biden because of his age.

Trump is 77
Biden is 81

4 years!

No one talks about Trumps age and its gotten so bad that even Democrats are using Bidens age as a complaint against voting for him. Like theyre not aware of how ridiculous that sounds when the alternative is Trump?

Bizarre and medically unwarranted comparison.

I've seen early onset dementia in patients as young as 55 (these people usually have genetic risk factors and/or smoke/poorly controlled HTN causing cerebral microvascular disease).

I've seen sharp people in their 90s. Still probably wouldn't prefer them as president.

Politics aside, trump is physically and mentally younger than biden. Biden shuffles, moves with a stiff gait and if you didn't notice switched from wearing dress shoes to tennis shoes, even when wearing a suit (prevents falls).

There is so, so much more distance between them than "4 years." That is a woefully inaccurate characterization.

I'm not talking about their policies. I'm just talking about aging.

Trump is definitely showing too, but in a different way. He's become very disinhibited. I've noticed some memory stuff too when speaking but people gloss over the disinhibition.

Neither should hold office, yet one will. In a time of crisis turning to someone that doesn't remember much makes for a weak country and ripe for chaos in uncertain times

Medically speaking, a significant cognitive decline is common around 80.

It's wildly inappropriate for someone that old to be president. It's embarrassing to watch him walk/talk and think that was the best the dems could offer

All he had to do was step down. All. He. Had. To. Do.

Could have handed Newsom the presidency on a silver platter

Instead his legacy will be one of greed and cognitive decline, similar to Feinstein

Non-scientists and non-doctors arguing about clinical medicine is like watching passengers argue with the pilot how to fly the plane

Amusing but counterproductive