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Kirby has conviction if nothing else.
To be clear thats townpoint worthy

I think Ctes at least sounded like he was against it on day1

I could really use a FD style spreadsheet of those in favor of NL and those against it.

I'd argue my suspicion of Lopen is in limbo, Lopen.

He has not erased it.

Obellisk posted...

I agree with every word youve said.

Good to know I am not alone.
Also questions like those reminds me of townsbells from the past, which is also good to know.

Obellisk posted...

yes, on purpose.

What do you make of that, specifically.

My first thought is that she has nothing to fear and dared us to lynch her. Which does not strike me as a useful scum tactic.
My second thought was that maybe scumLea is throwing in the towel due to IGCD dying, but quitting feels out of character for her.

Like I said its reverse psychology-ing me into thinking Lea is townier. Tho not much.

I'd also think Lea would at least show love to the Claw.

Obellisk posted...

Lea knowing she's the topic of inactivity and strange posting style to only walk back in with a "C U D 2" makes it worse?

Not sure what you are asking here.
Not sure if it makes it worse or better either. Makes it clear that she's doing it on purpose at least.

Oh I did mention Red in my initial inactive list.
(and Mzero. But thats less fair due to his timezones)
But yeah people keep bringing up Lea as she's not usually this inactive.

Nothing really.
Has he posted even more than once?
I havent kept track whether or not Red is improving in activity levels across games either.

I just worry about any inactives due to how much I have seen scum coast on goodwill in recent games.
Then again I was planning to coast through day1 myself, so you may have a point here. At least for today.

Allthough it appears that she is clearly doing it on purpose now, and reverse psychology is my weakness.

Lopen posted...

Putting them in the same bucket feels at odds with your previous thoughts on ctes

Mostly said that because I disagreed with your idea to veto a Lea lynch today whereas I feel she has not earned that good will.

Petty? Maybe.

If it helps Ctes, I've had a lot of those feelings myself from time to time. (Not just due to my timezone either.)
Though what is your priority at the moment is the question I have right now.

I will also state that you at least deserve patience more than someone like Lea tbh.

That said next time I'd like to answer those questions first, Lopen.

Lopen with the wavelength ninja.

A lesser man would make the joke that this should worry them, but factually I still agree with him.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think not grouping me in with the inactives and then shading me for inactivity in the same post looks like a forced answer to Lopen's question.

I did not say you were.
I said you were on the sidelines. Thats different.
Basically I didnt recall you doing much despite your decent post amount.

Oh no rudeness detected
But see that sounded like you werent decided yet, and now its a bit clearer to me that you arent interested in NLing today. (at least thats what I think you are saying)
Now I do agree thats pushing for NL when it started was too early regardless of whether one agrees with the principle or not.
And yeah its also no fun.

When you put it like that it just makes him sound bad, since we have to go after guys we suspect.
Havent you been doing that yourself?

Still ruminating. (if I am using that word right)

Unsure about Changmas as scum, since IGCDs reactions to his Knightz posts strike me as scum annoyance. 'dont call knightz confirmed town etc'
Of course that depends on Knightz being town, but I feel those odds are great.

After recent games I am much less forgiving of inactives, which would point my dagger towards Lea, Mzero and Red
And of those 3 Lea is the one who stands out and is also usually more active than those other two.

However I would also like to point Ctes out as someone who has been more on the sidelines than anything. He didnt even make his stance on a NL clear as far as I can tell. His biggest contribution really was to ask changmas about his Lopen opinions. I would like some actual reads from him.

Lopen posted...

Does town Corrik actually feel a need to talk so much if he can just shoot stuff I'm not sure

I am just gonna say that he might simply be out of shots and only has words and votes left
...
Of course now he is just gonna shoot me tomorrow to prove me wrong.

Btw looking back I am not super on FD being scum either if only because the last scumFD I saw felt more comfortable in the background while here he has put himself at the front of the NL movement.
Granted Kirby has spoken more for it by now than him
And Either way, where are his spreadsheets so far?

Lopen posted...

I'm thinking faked tbh.

Legitimately been posting a lot less today (sbell noticed!) and intentionally backed off from him to give him breathing room

He decides to just double down.

Up for Lea or Chang today. Would probably just NL over the rest

To be fair If changmas didnt quite follow your ranking of 'how much you want to lynch' knightz. Then I can understand that since I am confused as well.

Of all times for Sultan to not be lynchable.

Well it wont take one long considering she only posted twice

Of the people stanning for it, I like Kirby the most since his logic resonated with me more.
As in I can see townKirby believing it.

Still dont think NL is a good idea overall tho.

Knightz continues to look town btw

Lopen posted...

Why not just no lynch forever

We flipped godfather we can just let the power roles win

Christmas (mafia) only happens once a year.

By the way Leafeon13n (AKA: Red) is probably the most inactive player in the game next to Corrik.
Though if he does not say anything at all today, I will be surprised.

Not to get distracted, I would also like for Lea to say a few sentences more than none at all.

Corrik7 posted...

So he would claim

Well I guess I should not have expected anything besides proud honesty

Corrik7 posted...

Be less annoying. You already claimed cop unironically and scum already knows. You are gonna be roleblocked tonight and get no info so maybe try and find scum to play the game you signed up for.

Corrik why even say this?

I mean to be honest I totally bought his explanation that he was already preparing a mafia game of his own.

Kirby321 posted...

But... we just killed scum.

If we NL today that's basically the same as lynching scum D1. Why add to the body count with the corpse of a town?

Already covered this

And Corrik is also right in that lynches provide more info than nolynches.

Obellisk posted...

you read the flip that said scum can only shoot on even nights?

I meant to start that sentence with a 'usually'
Numerically ate it

ItzKnightz posted...

We have a number of possible suspects for Mafia why don't we just go No Lynch just in case we might kill a town

Numerically its a bad idea, since scum always gets a chance to do whatever they please at night and town only has so many chances to kill scum.

Normally I would say scum has too much potential power in their pocket for a NL to be useful.
But they did just lose a rolescanner and their numbers are possibly diminished beyond the dayvig shot.

Part of me still thinks its more useful to play a normal day1 tho. Info-gathering wise.

IGCDs flip referred to 'the scum team'
Not this scumteam.
Basically to me this flip is not as clear cutting as the flips in Tekken Mafia were.

I am not ruling it out alltogether tho.

The odd thing about that changvote to me is the way he afterwards said that he didnt even notice IGCD was going after Changmas as well.

In general I would like more explanations from him per vote.

Oh god Lopen would make for an excellent Buzz, wouldn't he?

Said no one ever.

Or are you saying Lopen is not being himself?

Oh right, double kills will hint at something.

Still Ben making that assumption about 2 scumteams does not sound too odd a leap since its happened before, even if I dont think thats exactly the case here.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Someone (I think Plum) did correctly guess two scum teams d2 then, but it wasn't apparent before both teams have lost one. But both teams also had a factorial kill, there was no hint towards other factions in the individual flips.

Ah
Because of the flavor I assume.

I also disagree with the notion that scumUlti was chill. Especially not Tekken scum Ulti.
Though granted he did have nontown targets in that game.

I dont think anyone even believed in two scumteams after the first scum flipped in Tekken Mafia.
It wasnt until we saw a scumplayer flip who had a role that pointed out the 2nd team (my team at the time)
...
Also they shot one of ours that next night <.<.

I could swear we have had a game where there was a MAFIA team and a SCUM team once. (not Tekken) But scumteam + independent sounds or scumteam with weirdass powers on odd nights sounds more likely

Day phase. When its night phase we wouldnt be allowed to talk.

In general dayvig shots dont end the day.

Also why vote Ben?

But its right for people to point out that what people post in the signup topic has no influence over the actual game, since in most cases people dont know if they are 'sus' until its no longer allowed to post in signup topics.

TOO MANY MINIGAMES

frown

Lopen posted...

Hm

Is this part of IGCD's ability and now they can kill freely on all nights

Maybe Ulti is onto something here

Would be funny if true. What a 'stinky' pete.

I also wondered if scum has daykills for odd days. But if they did I dont think it would work the way Corriks shot did. Having to announce a kill each odd day would make you all the more lynchable

I dont believe IGCD would pounce on a fellow scummate like that so soon.
Chang saying "why would I do this as scum?" is a weak defense sure, but to give it to a first time player I think is fair and its annoying that IGCD answered it before knightz.
And thats not even what set IGCD off in the first place anyway, but instead being helpful to knightz was what triggered him. (same with Kirby it seems)
Looks like a classic case of scum whining about town townconfirming someone.

You know I was gonna say "seeya day2" because of what happened last game.
But Corrik shooting scum right off the bat is a pretty good way to hook me back in. (that and IGCDs unusual flip info)
I dont believe scumCorrik makes that shot on his partner, but thats mostly because scumCorrik strikes me as a really lazy yet pragmatic player who hates attention. I dont remember Corrik being that deadly on bussing either. At least not when I was scum with him.

And here I was rewatching that south park episode with him in it
(the Ramseys innocence is also still in question!)