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changmas posted...

it's not as though your doctor role explicitly says it heals poison either

what?

changmas posted...

well my answer would have been that either it gets blocked by bulletproof and went into me

poison.

bullet.

Because we can surmise pretty well that Death went poison->janitor->strongman

changmas posted...

idk about all that i certainly wouldn't allow it in a game i hosted, should that day ever come to pass

but anyways if all you're gonna do is sit here and pull apart my honest thoughts with tweezers you might as well send me to the peanut gallery already and start the POE cascade moving.

i've said all i need to say and analyzed all i need to analyze tbh. unfortunate that things are likely to end this way.

if you believe i'm town then vote for ben and if you don't then go ahead and kill me. and then once you believe my flip, kill ben>lea/sbell>sbell/lea. do not kill ulti over any of those people.

board 8 loves to ignore what people say after they die and just do their own thing but don't do that, do what i said please :)

okay, run this back for me again.

What do you think happened with the poison?

Chaeix posted...

i don't see why scum would janitor kirby instead of red if they scanned red doc n1 to prepare lea's claim fwiw

My role is "unethical Doctor" which theoretically could have been taken as me being serious about being vigi. But if I get janitored, town has to take my claim at face value as vigi and can't really assume anything else. And we know from the flip scum doesn't get info off what they janitor, so they wouldn't know they killed doc either.

Unless rolecop was given the full flavor text.

But this is highly, highly, unlikely.

I'm going to be honest, I really kind of wanted to shoot chang or ulti on a re-re-read but I was feeling like I had to make a safe play and take out FD.

Dang, I had a brief thought to save wallz but decided to make the safe play and just take out the person suspected by both ben/sbell.

Hans Moleman and Peter Griffin are not flavor clears.

htaeD posted...

Wasnt Mzero a traditional cop?

Oh your right. Scratch that.

But that still leaves even odds of godfather or flavor godfather(Both?).

I would also reiterate I don't think FD and death could orchestrate the vanilla claim conversation on a scumteam together. So not a pair.

I think I have definitely talked myself into thinking at least 1 of sbell and ben has to be scum. We (likely) don't have a traditional cop, so we don't need a traditional godfather. Flavor godfather makes all the sense in the world.

I think there are 3 things working in changs favor: day 1 vote, lots of vanillas, and BP being countered by both vanillaizer and unblockable. If I erased day 1 and the roles I'd be gunning for his head.

depends on how janitor works. Do they see the flip or is it blind to everyone. Without that information it is hard to say. We know they would have 1 role cop prior to that.

The one curiosity that boggles my brain still is how corrik came into the day knowing he was doomed(By scan, not poison, which I assume he made up).

Unless paranoia there is 3p lurking out there but no reason to think this atm.

Town
Red
Fd
Lea
Ben
Jc

Potentially town
Ulti (assuming wallz is telling truth)
Wallz (assuming wallz is telling truth)

I would doubt that corrik listed all town here.

I've said this before, but I reiterate.

I was about to post, I think there is no way kirby was vanilla.

Anyway we have what, 7 vanillas on the board right now...?

But Ben's day 1 is kind of nightmarish.

Tries to convince people to lynch me "because I'm trying to bait out a vig counterclaim".

(A scenario as discussed, real vigi just shoots me). Buddies up to Ulti on an Mzero lynch, follows to nothing.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Comedy option: SBell is actually Griffin but a mafia role.

Yes, this is possible too. Peter Griffin is a homer clone.

he fits both. he has little town equity.

i'm less godfather hunting and more janitor hunting.

I am not sure I trust Ben any more with that scan.

We know we need to fill Janitor, Strongman. (Maybe more but ???)

And also likely Bart, Homer.

Homer is not a janitor. Bart is also not a janitor.

Hans Moleman has been a janitor, and also been a Bart.

Hell Homer might just be a strongman and thats it.

So lets play with flavor a bit...

Assume we have a godfather.

Is sbell homer or is ben bart.

4. IGCD
5. Isquen
8. Lea
10. Red
16. Chang

Would ctes bus 0 scum.

htaeD posted...

Based on the whole miller kerfuffle, I highly doubt Wallz is scum with Sbell as well (and Ulti I guess)

yes wallz/sbell together is impossible imo.

interesting that if sbell is scum he definitely slipped on d1.

I'm reading we wait.

sbell serious who should i shoot answer?

Scum has vanillizer, Role cop, Janitor kill, Unblockable kill. Who knows what else.

With what we have flipped and even claimed, pretty strong for scum.

Obellisk posted...

still true? or that was lies?

Still true.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Beyond that, I have been trying hard to understand the game and decipher the claims and lies.

Beyond that was my interaction with death day 1 and instantly recognizing that his claim was missing an element as a vanilla myself.

okay so.

What have you deciphered and understood? Because other than the list you have little.

Second, scum is going to know the vanilla format. This is standard practice.

So try again.

htaeD posted...

If you ask me now. I would rock FD, Sbells or Bens boats.

Yeah probably.

you might be right actually.

But also still unarguably not as useful as vanillaizer.

I'm trying to think in my head how useful corrik's rolecop was.

Just getting our default names doesn't say much. But if he gets stuff like on the player list it is definitely pretty strong.

Did Lea give us her second scan?

htaeD posted...

Werent we gonna test Chang with Red?

testing like that never works out the way people intend. Like, chang doesn't die. Is he town bp or scum bp? We don't learn anything.

But we are precariously low on things for scum to vanillaize.

Also really want to see these claims but I have a suspicion that kirby was not vanilla.

htaeD posted...

Red and Sbell sounded disappointment in Isquen, but either way they could have jumped on Isquen if they are scum and if they sensed Corrik was in danger.

I was trying to get Isquen to talk and play but its hard to justify defending anyone when they aren't going to give anything.

If you claim now, i guarantee you JC will claim after you.

I have it on good authority that JC agrees to STC at 11:20:00 PST go for it.

FD just claim.

I'm definitely in the "FD should claim" camp.

i honestly dont care what people assume.

So should JC i assume.

Anyway you should probably claim FD.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Everyone but JC and myself has claimed now. Though you still haven't claimed flavor. Lea, chang and Sbell all claimed it clarified their claims today.

My flavor literally doesn't matter and thus will stay unknown unless relevant.

I want to know what the rest of you are claiming.

Yes

##vote: corrik

fine.

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