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don't hate making corrik and sbell claim today though

okay time to reveal all and then to cook

first thing's first Ben is not lying about his ability - it has been used on me, though that means probably far too late for me to ever get something useful out of my ability :( because i'm assuredly dead tonight

second thing, i was in fact correct about the flavor split or lack thereof so i will be collecting my flowers for that

now time to claim

The Watcher (Marvel), TOWN Time Rolecop

Once per game, I can target the runner-up on the previous day's lynch and see exactly their flavor and role as it would flip. Essentially, this would see through Ulti's ability, or any other abilities that would change the player's flavor and/or role. (the first thing I did on Day 0 was ask Death whether I would see SCUM Godfather as that role, and I do)

THE PROBLEM is that you all have made Scare the runner-up lynch on literally every single lynch thus far. When I recieved the PM I was planning to use it on Night 1 almost no matter what, but after the flip I thought Scare was so obviously town on the scum/town lynch that there was obviously no need to use it. So then after Day 2 I was going to use it just to rest all uncertainty and put the issue to bed, but I was blocked. Then after Day 3 it was once again extremely obvious that Scare was town, so no need to use it. And that's where we are now, where I technically can use my ability for the duration of today's day phase, but once again I can still only target Scare, who is already dead and flipped. Maybe the most useless use of any power ever. I guess I should have just claimed yesterday and hoped someone would help me out and let me scan SBell, but alas.

So yeah anyway no way I live through tonight, so nothing to lose by revealing all.

NOW:

I still want to heavily pursue Ben, because I think his ability still doesn't make a ton of sense with the town roles in the game. I think it's very plausible he's either an every other night roleblocker / role delayer or perhaps can choose between the two roles each night.

There's really no plausible reason for him to get roleblocked on Day 2.

BUT:

Even more obvious to me is that Isquen/Blade is some kind of 3P. It perfectly explains why there wasn't a second kill for the first two nights, and then as soon as Blade replaces out, there's a kill. Blade was clearly annoyed at whatever his role was, and tried to claim it was some kind of useless self-confirmable role, but Isquen is playing it different, naturally. I mean this post today clearly suggests it:

Isquen posted...

So what's the over-under that a big reason I'm now here instead of Blade is because Blade realized he left chang untouchable and got pinged for scum? Because I don't get why I wouldn't be dead over Lopen for whomever was the extra kill.

Also, apologies for late, I've been on a tattoo table for the past three hours, and I have not done my due reading diligence. Gomen nasai.

Like, Blade was pretty thinly veiled in claiming that his role didn't have any other components to it, but he stuck to that story. (of course, I never believed that for a second). Isquen on the other hand thinks he would be a nightkill, which to me suggests that there's a lot more to his role than we've been let onto

Almost everyone I know called for jury duty including myself has been dismissed by the end of the second day. Somewhat rare for anyone to actually get selected as a juror

this may be our last chance

I want to give this entry to post #248

A ninja literally counters that ability, like, very simply

i think its meant to find the poisoner

UltimaterializerX posted...

I want to give my win to Changmas.

<3

I am totally on board with Ulti lynch today. No idea what votals are at, but I will have extremely limited access tomorrow and will definitely miss the deadline.

voting SBell so I can try and set up my role tonight in case Ulti is the roleblocker

##Vote: Sbell

Happy happy joy joy

Scooby Dooby Doo

oh what the

Merry changmas

ho ho ho merry Christmas

I want to give my win to the user above me

UltimaterializerX posted...

Backup.

not Time Backup?

ulti what was your original role name

Oh but since scares is a time travel power it should happen before the ulti backup, so it wouldnt be able to see him visit later that night

oh wait its the red power thats a day action, ulti would have visited last night to get it?

oh okay then who gives a shit

if you need to mislynch me tomorrow to win the game then who cares

once i flip town you'll see it's probably ben who is lying and win from there

oh wait

ulti's backup is a day action he couldn't have targeted red at night.

i'm just stupid, there isn't an outside possibility

i think there's a possibility that scum ninja killed Red and both Ulti and Scare are town

if that's the case they will want to leave scare alive and mislynch him tomorrow

scare dies tonight if ulti flips scum, yes

almost as though i have a very strong restriction about who and when I can use my ability, and if scum knows what that is they aren't forced to roleblock me every night!

not sure why i ever bother claiming my real role anymore

my fake claims are 10 times cleaner and people never take issue with them

mmm a lot of that directly ties into my role functionality

but basically Im a guardian of the marvel multiverse and storyteller of alternative universes

but Im not supposed to interfere much so my powers are heavily limited

Well most of the time this just ends up as a 1 for 1 between Ulti / Scare. And i think everyones going to be okay with that. The question here is how much stock we should put into a ninja existing and it being neither of them

Just throwing the info out there

its a little strange that there would be The Watcher and a Time Watcher separately

but strong possibility it is a flavor trap

Also uh this is definitely flavor trap territory but my flavor is literally The Watcher from Marvel stuff. But i am not a watcher as a role.

yes people are gonna rehash all my flavor comments from before just chill out i like to
speculate about about stuff.

its not a joke flavor i was trying to downplay my role but i goofed and got roleblocked anyway so yeah

Yeah Im wondering about ninja as well

Ohhhh i see that makes sense

sorry just woke up so my brain isnt totally firing yet

He said its once per game though?

Why does Scare have two targets (Lopen and Red)?

thats what Im confused about

Death confirmed I would have been notified if my action was moved 24 hours, so I wasnt blocked by Dumey

merry changmas

im hoping death will be able to answer my question when he wakes up and we can revisit in the morning

and i can always wait for 6pm tomorrow to just see if i happen to get a result back at that time too

Corrik7 posted...

Do you retain your action if roleblocked? Like, are you just roleblocked and lost your action unless it goes off in the day phase?

i was told I got it back. that may make it more likely that i was roleblocked and not jail kept but idk.

i PMd host at the start of the day for clarification of whether i would be notified about dumeys ability if it was used on me, since its flipped now, but I think Death is asleep, so i wont find out for several more hours.

Corrik7 posted...

Idk what ur role is but if you can only use it once, the doubling would have effectively doubled your role up and the draw back of not being able to use it the next night wouldn't have mattered?

unfortunately not, except in a very niche scenario, as I understand it. Most of the time, I'd just get back the same result twice.

Corrik7 posted...

I mean scum has to have a roleblocker supposedly if 2 happened last night?

No one claimed one on night 1?

Well my analysis earlier was incorrect, because Ben claims he was blocked during the day, not the night. So only one confirmed on me, but I find it hard to believe they didn't RB dumey because he could move the nightkill into the day with his ability if he guessed right, which is super broken.

and the one on me could be from Dumey himself

and uh, I guess I can say this now (as I've hinted at it many times anyway) but it's useful only once.

So I can't be doubled either.

but with the setup as it stands, that's only useful on me

the swap can dodge scum roleblock but that's all i've got

it's more akin to a "roleblock during the night, grant an additional use during the next day phase ONLY"

Slight correction - Dumey's jailkeep didn't just go off during the day phase. Based on what Dumey told us, Ben's action cancelled Dumey's original jailkeep altogether, and Dumey got to pick a new target in the day phase (which he then chose SBell, because of something SBell said on Day 2).

So it didn't actually delay the action, but cancelled and moved it.

Corrik7 posted...

Wouldn't said person know today on the day phase?

The exact wording from the flip is this:

"You can target 1 player before the end of the day. If you were succesful and they have a power that they can use more than once, they can choose to use that power twice that night at the cost of not being able to use that power at all on the night after that.
Players that cannot be 'doubled up' will not be told they were targeted."

so idk, but I was assuming it doesn't lock until the end of the day phase and the targeted player wouldn't be notified until the day ends?

Ben's role itself is a day action (for ben). When he used it on Day 1 (on Dumey), it cancelled Dumey's N1 action, and "moved it" to a Day 2 action, which he could re-select a target for. Dumey confirmed that this did happen.

Ben claims he was blocked on Day 2 when attempting to use the action on me, to move my Night 2 action to Day 3.

Corrik7 posted...

Also very curious ulti claimed he was going to backup some dead dude and mysteriously he supposedly did back up said person. Again timing is weird cuz why say that and why not do it first to confirm yourself. Quite interesting he did the dumbest thing possible and yet somehow it still worked out he supposedly did it still.

Is there a way to confirm he actually did it?

he would have to use it on someone we trust whose action can successfully doubled. We wouldn't be able to check if that actually worked until the following day.

Red's role is a day action that targets one player, allows them to use their action twice the following night (if possible), at the cost of not being able to use their action at all the following night.

Ben claims he targeted Dumey on D1 and me on D2

Dumey targeted SBell on D2 (after Ben moved his action from N1 to D2), and ??? on N2, but hopefully me. I'll find out if that's the case at 6pm tomorrow.

Ulti claims town backup (and claims he is now Red's doubling role)
Lopen vanilla
Peaf vanilla
Ben "Clock King" -> day action that targets someone else, if successful it moves that person's night action into a day action on the following day. He claims he was roleblocked Day 2 while attempting to target Chang
Chang (investigative type role), roleblocked Night 2
Blade claims a stupid role based on the movie Groundhog Day that is exclusively a downside, where he can only vote for players (or no Lynch) that he voted for on day 1. He has proved that this restriction is true, but claims there's nothing else to the role.

something about ben's stuff isn't really adding up