Lurker > Forceful_Dragon

It's the same logic that dictates Kirby SHOULD be jailing chang every night. His ass is town 99.99% of the time and his action was a day action that already occurred.

But nobody listens to FD and so everyone is swinging for the fences instead of laying down a productive bunt.

Leafeon13N posted...

Ctes? Curious.

Yeah, he's the only unclaimed everyone knows about my pineapples so it seemed like the natural thing to do. I couldn't think of any more clever ways to use the mechanic to catch someone lying. I guess I thought maybe Kirby would jail me? The NK targets have been strange so the protection would be nice and I don't have an important action that's hurt by it.

Leafeon13N posted...

Hes not claiming vanilla.

Hey, Ulti

THIS is what TMI looks like

Because he's scum and he's worried about anything that could possibly jeopardize his team's slim chances to win.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Or

Lopen

Shit yeah, forgot about Lopen, I was just looking at all the green names on my list and didn't look ABOVE the red ones. Gonna move him down next to the green.

TotallyNotMI posted...

He is avoiding scanning red blatantly

I'll be much more likely to feel like this is true if Ctes turns out to be some kind of scanner (maybe he's been trading his ability to vote for night actions?)

But otherwise a scum Ulti means our only investigation role is Sbell who was highly susceptible to wallz' Movement Frame ability.

Here's what I don't understand Kirby.

let's say you jailed Ulti.
let's say there was no kill.

Couldn't that mean scum tried to kill Ulti?

So in that scenario do you announce that you protected a kill, or do you try to nail Ulti to the wall? It's ambiguous regardless of outcome.

Kirby is saying the fact that roleblocking Ulti didn't stop the kill is the same as an inno scan on ulti.

Which is wrong. Just like roleblocking MI the previous night didn't stop the kill isn't a guarantee of innocence.

BUT the one thing it actually did is proved that Kirby actually has a roleblock unless Ulti and Kirby are exactly scummates. Ulti claimed to be blocked before Kirby admitted to Jailing him. Prior to this we only had the Wallz Jail claim (which could have been a bus) and 2x vanilla jail claims.

So it isn't nothing, but it's less than a proper cop scan.

Ben, Blade, Ctes, Death, Red, Ulti

Still need to list 3 Town / 3 Scum

Leafeon13N posted...

That igcd isn't a gambitting type, mostly.

So how is this ANY fucking different than me saying role meta (ie his CLAIM which would have to be a GAMBIT if it weren't true) is the best thing he has going for him?

You're saying the exact shit and calling me wrong.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also kirby the gist of it is that ulti essentially claimed a role that is on a timer and instead of letting that timer tick down you went for the hero play.

Its really fucking annoying.

Even so Kirby isn't scum unless he's scum backup who took Knightz' role, and immediately used it to bus a scummate.

Leafeon13N posted...

There are things that make igcd town and it isn't role meta.

I can't recall ever feeling any special towny way about IGCD this game. imo he has "uncountered vigi" going for him and not much else. He doesn't even have to particularly give thoughts because he is bound by his sidequest, which is something he can lean on for yet another day.

What are these "things" you speak of?

Meow1000 posted...

Sneaking in a post I shouldn't be making because I realized something super alarming

If scum has a passive role locker then that person should been sending kills after wall died

It could explain leaving Kirby alive but why is MZero dead

MZero should not have been able to taunt a kill of they had passive roleblocker

wasn't the passive blocker theory crafting because ulti claimed blocked? And then Kirby confessed to it? Or is that something we're still seriously considering?

On my lists of 3 I'm really only confident about the first 2 in each category. Chang and Kirby def town, Red and Ben most likely scum with MI a distant 3rd (and Ulti/Death a close 4th)

Ctes and IGCD just kind of in the middle. Role meta dictates IGCD should be town and we don't have a claim from Ctes yet to really gauge, but he has that inno scan and maybe he'll be able to vote again today? :shrug:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b47d7751.png

I might have to reformat into 2 images if it's getting too wide, or remove the day columns.

Town: Chang, Kirby, Blade
Scum: Red, Ben, MI

I gave my love to Ctes last night

PeaceFrog posted...

Yeah they were.

Why does everyone think this? Him getting shot doesn't magically prove people he lied to about BP were innocent. He could have been strongarmed, poisoned or hell they might just have not believed the BP lie

ctesjbuvf posted...

FD what's your track record of flavor metaing?

His answers for the BP thing were good btw

No i don't think they were. He claimed he was trying to avoid being shot and somehow if he WAS shot it would prove everyone he ever talked to was innocent?

It's absolutely backwards to how I would play a role like town neighborizer.

PeaceFrog posted...

If it was literally anyone other than you two i might be tempted.

But fucking hell. We spent 90% of the last 47 hours talking about the 3 unscanned vanillas.

I'm really temped tbh. The flavor of Buddy as neighborizer has never sat well, and the walking back of BP combined with choosing to supposedly lie about BP in the neighbor chats themselves?

Fuck it

##Unvote
##Vote: Ben

Meow1000 posted...

Who would ever scan Kirby

Why the hell are we even discussing Kirby

Ulti brought him up. To "trap" peaf somehow

IGCD hasn't posted in half an hour. Hope he set an alarm or he's going to have to push his sidequest back again.

Heck, if we keep the vote tied then he'll actually have to make a choice for himself this game.

Meow1000 posted...

Well I was about to say I'd rather vote Ben than Peaf but does scum Ben actually make that post

Does chaos incarnate 3P ben? <_<

It's an odd way to chime in regardless.

htaeD posted...

The same scum that had no reason to send anyone besides Wallz to kill someone?

By the phrasing I still think this interpretation is wrong. I think Wallz only needed to send the Frame and anyone else could send the kill for it to still work.

But clearly he did send the kill so it's a moot point. Or blade actually did prevent a kill and MI was targeted n1, hell if i know.

PeaceFrog posted...

... if Kirby is scum then he could just be lying about jk to have bussed wallz to distract from Corrik vs Blade.

He's jailed scum once and vanilla twice so there's no way to know for sure at this point, but I'm not sure wallz gets lynched without Kirby's claim so I'm still inclined to believe him.

Meow1000 posted...

FD's role in the game I remember could not kill town.

He was forced to Lawyer onto other scum.

I have vague memories of being a scum lawyer, but I don't remember how that game ended. Was that classical music?

PeaceFrog posted...

which wouldn't happen if we simply ride the lazy river to Corrik Beach.

I don't think that was ever in danger. There were several of us looking outside of the presumptive lynch every day. Only to be paradoxically accused of deflecting when we do, and yet accused of allowing the day to stagnate when we don't. It's a disgusting Catch 22

Meow1000 posted...

He proved he could move votes.

He did not prove he could actually kill them.

When he forced the votes into a majority the day ended. How is that functionally different than killing? It might as well be a day vig that ends the day when it's used.

changmas posted...

Red i would like to know if your flavor is Britta though

Can't be, red never lived in New York

htaeD posted...

Oh
In that case I have no idea what FD is saying

?
He just told you what I was saying and I agreed with him.

If I had to make a list of players I would want to NK as scum you would be damn near the top and Ulti would be just off the bottom which is why I thought it felt weird for IGCD to put Ulti on his list of 4 town players scum should fear. No major offense to you Ulti, you just exude broken clock syndrome when you happen to be right about someone. The fact that you will regularly vote for literally everyone but yourself probably doesn't help.

changmas posted...

Shoot the guilty scan obviously

Unless it's Ben because he might actually be BP if he scans guilty.

Kirby321 posted...

No, IGCD meant "these are town players you don't want to be alive at endgame if you're scum"

FD is basically shading Ulti here. Which is fair because Ulti also says his endgame is bad

Right on both counts.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Group 1
Red
Ulti
Blade
MI

These are the players too good to keep alive if you're scum because you will lose.

did you...misspell "Death"?

Leafeon13N posted...

Wait what i just got done working 6 days in a row.

I'm not at Disneyland i try to avoid it when I'm town I've gotten superstition.

After 3-4 days off at the start of the game. Those days where you basically said nothing except argued with me -_-

So you're aware it's a scum tell and you went out of your way to avoid it? :D

PunishedBen posted...

Did red ever claim flavor

No, but he should. It might even make me feel better about him. It can't be worse than Buddy

htaeD posted...

I will say I dont recall scumred being this angry last game.

scumred had work every single day last game including multiple night to afternoon shifts

red has had more days off this game AND he's posting from his alt today so i'm gonna take an educated guess and say... Disneyland?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Why is Ben in a parentheses lol

Why does MI have 2 separate entries?

that's Too Much MI

We still don't have votes from Ben, Blade, Chang, Ctes, Death, IGCD and Red.

IGCD gets a pass because he has to be the final vote
Ctes gets a pass because he is apparently unable to vote

Where do the rest of you stand? Are you all so worried to weigh in that you haven't cast a vote on anyone yet today?

oh that's an L, you were breaking up "Ulti" >_>

Anyways <_<

some townie... user interface texas instrument'ed him
some townie... un-intentional total instinct'ed him

and also "corrik-ed" unless that simply means "tell pointless lies for no discernable reason/benefit"

Kirby321 posted...

"Oh, didn't you hear? He Corrik-ed himself because some townie Ul Ti-ed him!"

I'm trying to understand this portion.

But again, we should resolve vanilla first, I'm willing to wait before hanging the game on the notion that Lopen had a power that's being openly claimed by scum. And hey, maybe you scan someone guilty tonight :)

UltimaterializerX posted...

This.

You can very very very blatantly tell my role asap. The please shoot me bit is just mind games.

You really can't though. I'm confident I've seen you make identical posts as vanilla

ctesjbuvf posted...

Can't really blame him for not breadcrumbing that early

Sure I can. Lopen, I blame you.

See? It was easy.

TotallyNotMI posted...

also good luck ISO'ing TMI with me in the game.

Lopen's signature containing "pop genocide" is the reason it took me such a long time to find your flavor when i was looking for magnitude hints. Still disappointed you weren't BG :(

Poured over every Lopen post at least twice. Nothing there really looks like a hint of any kind. He pushed a lot of people over the course of 24 hours. Blade and Ulti most of all, but also myself for a spell. He defended wallz pretty heavily at one point, but was just generally vocal, but not in a way that indicates flavor of role as near as I can tell.

This is why you breadcrumb, in case you vanish without a flip -_-

TotallyNotMI posted...

I agree we don't want to lynch Ulti today.

Right, to be clear i'm not trying to deflect from my preferred lynch of red, just looking for info elsewhere also.

htaeD posted...

Yeah I did notice Ulti placing a lot of his hopes in other people's scans at first.

And specifically calling out wallz and MI to be scanned only to pivot to ctes

What does it all mean? Well I do notice that the comment didn't really take on a first person perspective until after Lopen poofed.

"I would doc save, if I could"

"I can just scan Wall myself tonight"

"I will not shoot him tonight."

But there was just a hell of a lot of "kill me, target me" in general. From ulti thats something I would expect in advance of a vanilla claim, since iirc he considers eating a bullet as vanilla the most impressive thing you can possibly do. But mostly I just wanted to see what I could find and there it is.

Still combing through Lopen's posts for hints/crumbs, but haven't seen much yet.

Topic 4:

UltimaterializerX posted...

Blade its ok, I can just scan Wall myself tonight after we kill Knight.

This post is TOTALLY serious and scum should roleblock + kill me asap !!!

Topic 5:

UltimaterializerX posted...

IGCD being my bro is noted and appreciated. I will not shoot him tonight.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Okay.

Scum make sure you roleblock + kill me tonight.

UltimaterializerX posted... (referring to MI, less than an hour before lynch)

Someone please scan this guy if he escapes.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Scum, please target me. I really, really want you to.

MZero, if your role can redirect me this is the one game you need to keep it in your pants. You have been warned.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kirby please day scan Corrik tomorrow.

Topic 2:

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red having any activity day 1 means Ill never vote for him before he gets scanned.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Your chances of getting me mislynched are 0%. Mainly because I want scum wasting night actions on me night 1

UltimaterializerX posted...

Youre very very easy to spot as town, moreover I want scum to shoot me, not the guy soft claiming town vig. Save that for the actual scums and let them waste their own time trying to figure me out.

Topic 3: (After Lopen vanished)

UltimaterializerX posted...

The best part is scum is so going to waste actions on me tonight, just as planned.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Someone should just scan Knight tonight and be done with it. This reeks of one of those too easy and hell flip town vanilla day ones.

UltimaterializerX posted...

MI, SBell is lock town soul read. I would literally doc save him if I could.

Presented without commentary, every Ulti post day 1 that involved telling scum to target him, or kill him, or mentioning the usage of cop/doc roles and where they should go.

Topic 1:

UltimaterializerX posted...

Listen to me on days 1 and 2, listen to scans after that,

UltimaterializerX posted...

I would love scum wasting actions on me tonight lmao

UltimaterializerX posted...

Someone please scan this guy tonight. You all know my rule.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im replicating that play in hopes someone from last game remembers that play in hopes I get shot.

UltimaterializerX posted...

God if scum thinks I'm town power it'll be so great. PLEASE target me, guys. :D