Lurker > bobbycorwin

I voted yes, but only because after 2020 voter boards were taken over by right wing election deniers who enacted rules that disenfranchised democratic voters, and worked at rejecting as many mail in ballots as they could.

This isnt some conspiracy theory where democrats secretly worked with Trump voting republicans to add votes so Trump lost. This is legit voter suppression that they bragged about doing.

_____Cait posted...

Uh Satanic Panic was fake and basically started modern media outrage culture.

Satanic panic was a real event, but it was completely astroturfed by religious leaders who made up stuff to generate fear in people. Gen X had to put up with most of that fear being ginned up about stuff they were into, and occasionally getting into things just because their parents were afraid of it.

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I was being a little cheeky with that. It doesnt seem like gen z really has a counter culture movement they can call their own. MAGA has consumed that energy and focused it on beefing up the Republican Party instead.

I do hear gen z claim that maga is their counter culture though, so its not 100% cheek.

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Making the podcasts? Yeah, definitely older generations. Gen Zers are consuming them though.

kirbymuncher posted...

this

but also - you do realize the point of counterculture is that it's often like, the opposite of the current cultural direction, right? maybe it doesn't look so good when the current cultural direction is the one you're subscribed to

Counter culture movements usually look at the current culture and see people being exploited that other generations just accepted as how it was. They dont normally seek to undo freedoms granted during previous generations struggle. Gen x did not side with segregationists to undo civil rights for example.

I do think that under normal circumstances, the wealth gap and anti-billionares was shaping up to be gen zs counter culture movement considering how many gen zers are getting screwed by that system. However, their counter culture movement got hijacked by those billionares to work for them instead.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Ok well look at Boomers and Gen Xers now lol

Not everyone in the generation was part of the counter culture movement. I wonder how many stayed with those values as they got older.

Doe posted...

massive oversimplification and an excuse for CE to group all young people together exactly like what was wrongly done to them as millennials

Not all boomers were hippies, not all gen x were into death metal, not all millennials supported gay rights, and not all gen z are maga. Im taking about the broader cultural movements of each generation.

Boomers: Hippies standing up to the military establishment. Civil rights and women's rights.

Gen X: Death metal and standing up to the Satanic panic and the rise of religion in politics. Fighting for a secular culture that didn't just cater to Christianity.

Millennials: Fighting for gay and tans rights. Freedom to express yourself however you want

Gen Z: Right wing podcasts and Maga. Bowing to the Republican party and working to undo the counter culture movements of previous generations

vycebrand2 posted...

I carried around that much. Not very long though. Say I went to buy some feed. I'd stop to eat. It was in a personal bag and never left my sight

Exactly. You dont carry that kind of cash unless you plan to use it, or have just gotten it.

There are checks and balances, but there are only three, and its kind of like the triforce where if you get them all you can do whatever you want.

Interesting that there is all this philosophical talk (or in Watters case, inane babble) about what it takes to be a man. Meanwhile, they expected people to answer what is a woman in a short, quippy 5 second sound bite.

Only for people in Canada. We need a US brewer to step up and help those of us in the US out.

Project 2025 details firing most of the administrative state and replacing them with Trump loyalists. This is just the plan. We all know what Trump means when he says good people.

Cancelling an American tradition. What a conservative thing to do.

Accolon posted...

Does the average Democrat mock someone who didn't vote? Are we sure about that?

Who knows offline, but in online spaces absolutely. Democrats say leopards ate your face, republicans say welcome to the club.

A difference between maga and democrats is that maga will use any opportunity to recruit. If they ran into a Biden voter
in 2023 complaining about the price of eggs, they would use that opportunity to try to get that voter to vote for Trump next time.

Democrats see someone who didnt vote and is now upset about all the deportation and instead of recruitment they mock. This needs to change.

PballDepot posted...

Genocide Joe

So what happened when Trump takes over? Will your movement stop caring, or will you actually protest Trump?

Shows how strong right wing media is.

Back when I was into anti-woke content, I would watch videos taking about how bad the left is and they would have articles and tweets to show that off.

One thing I noticed when I was getting out of it was that these representations of the left only had under 10 views and maybe 2 likes.

Looks like TC is doing the same thing.

WingsOfGood posted...

Narratively the avoiding flood#2 makes more since but the make a tower or ladder to heaven is usually what people take from it. That is because the whole line about "now whatever they put their minds to they will be able to do".

Either way the real reason for the punishment was God wanted them to "go forth and multiply" and they were not doing that. They were all congregating in one single place instead.

That's not what the story says. They were building a city and a tower to the heavens (out of bricks and tar specifically), and God was afraid that they could accomplish anything if they stayed together so he scattered them.

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.

After Danvers left, Fury started putting together his own super team to take care of threats. He used his team when Loki invaded so no reason to call Danvers.

If he called Danvers any time the Earth was in trouble, why bother creating the Avengers in the first place?

This is the main premise of the Witcher series.

PraetorXyn posted...

Mormonism is such a funny case because of how new it is. There arent thousands of years for details to be lost to time etc. It was created in the last couple generations by a notorious conman and we know all the sketchy ass details.

For example, he was purportedly translating new texts from plates, and when his wife began to suspect it was bullshit she hid or destroyed the translation to prove that when he redid it it would be different because he made up different shit, and it was.

It really puts the other religions into perspective and takes away a lot of their mystique.

Mormonism and Islam are both fairly similar in origin. In both cases you have someone who receives a revelation from God and that forms a new version of the religion.

BlueKat posted...

The story of the Virgin Mary is interesting in the Quran and I couldn't help but laugh out loud when Jesus spouts off like a wise old prophet after literally just being born

The Bible has him doing this at 12. It is really that much earlier for the Quran?

Foppe posted...

Muhammad had better knowledge about Judaism than Christians, which is why he gets more right when referring to those parts.
Heck, the Last Supper in Quran is basically "Jesus & Co walked around when they got hungry. God sent them a table full of food. They ate. The End".
That said, he still remembers Judaism wrong and still gets it wrong a lot of times.

Does Jesus turning over tables in the temple get mentioned in the Quran?

I should have posted this before Christmas, but we're still in the season where Christmas decorations are up so it kind of works. Anyway, I'm going to describe the two Christmas stories as told by Matthew and Luke and want to know which people think make for a better story.

Matthew

Joseph and Mary live in a house in Bethlehem and Mary gives birth to Jesus. A star appears in the sky as he is born and this is seen by wise men from the east. They travel for two years to get to Israel and ask the current king where the future king was born. He says he doesn't know, but gets the date that the star appeared from them. They go off and eventually find Jesus as his house and give him their gifts.

The king, meanwhile gets upset at the thought of a new king and orders all children in Bethlehem get killed who are 2 years or younger based on when the wise men said the star appeared. God warns Joseph to flee to Egypt before this happens so he does. When the king dies, Joseph and Mary return, but when they check to see if they can move back to Bethlehem they find that the king's son still rules there and it would be dangerous so they go to Nazareth instead.

Luke

The Roman Empire demands an empire wide census that forces people to return to the home of their ancestors to be counted. For Joseph this is Bethlehem so him and his very pregnant wife make the journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem for the census. When they got there, Mary gave birth and since there were no guest rooms available, she put him in a manger.

An angel appeared to a bunch of shepherds who came to visit Mary and Joseph to see the new baby. Then after a month they went to Jerusalem to perform the purification rites and then returned home to Nazareth.

Then you aren't an agnostic either since you have defined who your gods are.

Jagus posted...

I honestly feel bad for Jews. Their religion was hijacked by two different groups that persecuted them. It makes me kind of upset sometimes, like if we as Muslims took everything from Jewish mythology we could at least be respectful.

Apparently this is a topic called super-cessation or something

Judaism did the same for the rest of the Canaanite pantheon that YHWH was a part of.

Jagus posted...

That's basically Christianity and Judaism as well lol

Haha true.

I imagine Republicans will get a female president before Democrats do. That moderate Republican block Harris was counting on would have voted for Nikki Haley but never for Harris.

Foppe posted...

Basically it comes down to convert Christians.
The Quran basically says "Yes, we know that Jesus was born without a father. And that he did miracles. But that doesn't prove that he was God. He did it because God wanted it to happen, and you guys misunderstood it. He was a Prophet. Now come convert to the true religion instead of following holy scripts that have been corrupted, God put the Quran in protection mode".

The idea of saying that a religion is slightly wrong and you should follow my religion instead sounds an awful lot like Mormonism as well.

You can't do any of that without making them gods?

Why are you making those gods?

Jagus posted...

It's just being optimistic/hopeful. It's also fun, like LARPing or something. I don't know, I've never larped.

I kind of like the idea of an all-kind but not-all powerful and not all-knowing God learning over time.

Sometimes I wonder if the gods being at war is why our lives are so chaotic.

I should note I am a fantasy author and I like doing interfaith stuff.

It does sound like you are more an atheist than agnostic. The way you say this stuff makes me think you don't actually believe the supernatural exists, you just hope it does.

It's like aliens. I would like for aliens to exist, and given the vast scope of the universe it seems likely that they exist, but I haven't seen proof yet and I won't claim aliens exist without it.

Jagus posted...

I truly have no idea, but it wasn't a revelation, or it would be in the Quran.

Does the Quran say anything about Jesus's death?

ScazarMeltex posted...

How is that any different than how anyone other religion started?

I grew up fundamentalist. I believed that the Bible was absolutely true and the divine word of God. I didn't think anything was made up, and I could just believe whatever the Bible said. As I learned more and found that the Bible was full of contradictions and was largely incorrect on how it explained history, I could no longer believe in it. It was one of the reasons I became an atheist, because if it was made up, then why should I believe it.

That's why I don't understand having a faith in something that you knowingly made up. I get fan theories and head canon, and I have some of my own about the stories written in the Bible, but I don't understand basing a belief system on your own imagination.

Jagus posted...

No. It's debated, I think most people say he was just some criminal.

Is there a reason for this belief, or is it a 'revelation' given to Mohammad?

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One could argue that atheists read the Bible more than theists do.

I've heard this excuse from Gen Z Trump supporters. That apparently being supportive of gay people is what the establishment wants so they voted for Trump to go against the establishment. See, they want to be just like Gen X

Jagus posted...

in Islam its believed Yeshua was not crucified but an imposter took his place while he went to the heavens, where he now waits

That's a take I hadn't heard of before. Does it say who the imposter is supposed to be?

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When Republicans started looking at Hungary as a model of what they want the US to be I started really paying attention to what is happening with our media. In Hungary, one of the reasons Orbon has such a stranglehold on a supposed democracy is that his buddies either bought out the media and shut down what they couldn't buy. His party essentially owns all the media in that country.

Since Orbon talked at C-PAC, our media has taken a noticeable right wing hit. Elon Musk bought twitter and turned into the right wing propaganda platform X, Musk has talked about buying MSNBC, CNN was taken over by a maga loyalist, and they want to shut down TikTok. Basically every mainstream source of news that is not right friendly is being targeted.

Okay, so as of now the only reason you are an agnostic rather than an atheist is because you want to believe that a Heaven and Hell exist?

In Post #75 you said you didn't think anything supernatural existed except free will and consciousness. Then in post #89 you said you don't believe anything supernatural exists.

Which of these is your actual belief?

Jagus posted...

Yeah, youre right. Thats the problem with trying to remember things from years ago sometimes.

Anyway, I dont believe in anything supernatural currently was all I meant

Is this what you are talking about?

https://www.helix.northwestern.edu/2018/01/14/the-physics-of-free-will/

This has nothing to do with the supernatural. It's saying that free will is nothing more than the current state of our brain chemistry.

Jagus posted...

according to the discussion I was reading it was being used to prove free will didnt exist. Like determinism or something maybe idk

and apparently the consciousness does not exist or something. Its an illusion

That doesn't make sense. That sounds like the exact opposite of what the experiment as you explained it showed.

Jagus posted...

Everything Ive read from discussions here and Reddit. Apparently theyre illusions or something and there was some experiment done that proved free will could be simulated with electrical rods or something on the brain. Idk

Wouldn't that experiment just prove that free will was a physical process and not supernatural?

There is also the cases of people who have had their frontal lobe damaged and it completely changed their personality which indicates that a person's consciousness is tied to their physical brain and does not need some sort of supernatural explanation.

What science says they don't exist?

Luteo posted...

The scary part? More and more Republicans will be emboldened to act this way and when the police are called all they have to claim is "I was in fear of my life"

Definitely no parallels to earlier points in human history...

Why do you think free will and consciousness are supernatural?

kind9 posted...

I'm not trying to fault you for your beliefs, I'm really trying to understand how an agnostic clings to religious beliefs. I thought agnosticism was about suspending beliefs in things that are beyond human knowledge and incapable of proof.

An agnostic still believes in a god, they just don't know which god.

The way I look at it is let's say there is an enclosed room nobody can see inside or take any measurement of what is inside it. A theist is the type that would say that there is a unicorn in there and they also know the exact color of it. Some would say it's blue, some would say it's yellow, some would say it's orange etc.

An agnostic would agree that there is a unicorn in there, but that they don't know the color. That's really the only difference.

An atheist, on the other hand, are the ones who would say that they won't believe there is a unicorn in there until they can see proof of it.