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CrimsonGear80 posted...

do you not understand what "rigged against them" means?

Right wing taking points are so inconsistent it could mean a million things.

LoZguy709 posted...

Older people in general are a much more reliable voter base, regardless how much they complain. Once you reach a certain age, there are just certain things you do out of principle. When you're young, you're easier to influence, at least into a state of apathy due to an abundance of misinformation.

Rich old people vote because they know if certain people get into power they will lose privileges.

Young people dont vote because they know they wont get privileges no matter who wins.

CrimsonGear80 posted...

old and rich people can do many things for fun besides vote

I find it hard to believe people think Biden will lose votes for *insert reason here* but think republicans who think voting is rigged would still bother voting...

If voting is rigged against them then that just means they need to vote harder.

Voidgolem posted...

While a number of Republican voters died between 2020 and 2024, that's likely counterbalanced by the number of folks who will stay home or worse, meme-vote.

So yeah. I would not be surprised if he wins somehow. Would rather he didn't

This is my guess. If I had to had to bet I would gamble on Trump getting less votes than he did in 2020, but still win because Biden will get FAR less votes than in 2020.

omniryu posted...

Pretty much, that's gonna be there push for their election campaign. Like i said while he is guilty, they will see it as the democrats burned him at the stakes. It will just push them more to strike fear into their audience.

Of course. Pretty much by design since Republicans own their own media. Their followers will never be convinced that Trump did anything wrong, and most wont even know what he was charged for.

Ttump was right when he said he could shoot someone in 5th avenue and not lose a single vote.

omniryu posted...

But why act as if only one side tell lies, put on a front, etc.

Everyone see the fault and criticism on both sides but no one wants to call out their own side.

Democrats do call out other democrats. The left actually eggs made fun of by the right for eating their own simply for daring to hold their own accountable. You dont hear about it much because there is no controversy. Nancy Pelosi commits insider trading and both sides are upset. Nothing really to drive engament there.

On the other hand, Trump being convicted of felony charges and his cult of followers defending him does drive engagement.

Antifar posted...

The good news is that people at the bottom rungs of the ladder have done better than those at the top

https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2023/

I dont know how useful those numbers are though. At higher wages, the income increase is generally through stock options and bonuses. A low income wage worker might earn a few dollars more which would increase their percentage by a wide margin, meanwhile someone at the top may get a million dollar raise and a 30 million dollar bonus and that could still show a low percenage gain.

That person posting an image of North Korea media is spot on.

Mother simulator

ClayGuida posted...

This is what happens when Fox is Republican propaganda.

Im honestly suprised that 9% credit Biden.

Mearcstapa posted...

So, even though their polling shows that more people overall give Biden credit, the headline is that "Many people credit Trump".

What?

Only because of democrats. Republicans and independents mostly think Trump did better.

Enclave posted...

One of the mistakes Biden makes is he doesn't talk about his accomplishments much so people think he's not doing anything unless they're the sort to actually look into politics.

Trump on the other hand CONSTANTLY talked about his accomplishments regardless of if they were real or make believe.

One major advantage Republicans have is they have a news media empire that actually wants them to win. Trump has Fox and other news outlets constantly praising him for anything good that happens regardless of if he did it or not.

The other media is not like this. They focus instead on whatever makes them the most money, which at the moment is the Trump trial stuff. Taking about Bidens accomplishments just isnt profitable, so we dont hear about it.

To be fair, Trump did talk about infrastructure more than Biden has. Infrastructure week was always 2 weeks away.

bigblu89 posted...

Other than it being symbolic, what would it do?

Biden needs some symbolic stuff hes losing enough of the youth vote by not even seeming to care about what matters to them.

ForsakenHermit posted...

Orban's Hungarian not Turkish.

Thanks, somehow got those wires crossed in my head.

Neoconkers posted...

you're making the same mistake people have been making about the current crop of right-wingers in the US and the UK for the past 10 years. Assuming that there are calculated reasons for their dumb behaviour. the truth is the simplest answer: no, they REALLY ARE that dumb.

I think its the other way around. Weve been dismissive of right wingers, and they are using that to slowly take over. They took over one major social media platform and are shutting another down, they control the legislatures in almost every swing state, they even have a plan for if they take over the White House in 2025. We dismiss them because of the dumb stuff, but we forget that they are mostly controlled by billionaire funded think tanks.

This is a calculated move by Noem to get some good press on her side by getting bad press on the other side knowing full well that we will all forget this in a couple of weeks when the next Republican does a reprehensible thing and the pattern repeats.

All that will remain is her side remembering there was a time when she was attacked by the liberal press.

ClayGuida posted...

She touted the book as being anti woke.

She thinks not killing animals is being woke. She's a deranged lunatic

Anti-woke is just another trigger the libs buzzword.

Xatrion posted...

Throw enough shit at the wall, some of it's bound to stick.

But this is not new. The gop terrorists making it harder to vote is just another day for them.

Even if it fails they get to go on Fox News and tell everyone about how they tried to protect their votes, but the evil far left democrats stopped them so they could cheat.

There has to be a political reason to put that story in the book. That kind of thing would not get past an editor without a good reason. My theory is that she knew it would get the media to talk about it, and allow herself to go on Fox News and defend herself. It would give her lots of free publicity, which is exactly what happened.

LightHawKnight posted...

Still confused on how it can control the narratives about Israel when the ban doesnt actually ban TikTok right at this moment, but forces them to sell to a US company and they have over 9 months to do it.

Ever since the GOP had Viktor Orbon of Turkey speak at CPAC about how he took over the media there, Ive been looking for ways in which conservatives would try that here. Since then, Twitter got bought by a right winger and signal boosted right wing accounts while banning accounts he doesnt like.

The Tik Tok ban would be another step of this, and of course they get to use the Israel conflict as a pretense for it. So that would explain your point of how would this help Israel if then ban doesnt go into affect until next year, but it would line up nicely with the result if the 2024 election.

DrizztLink posted...

He won't.

They're sacrifices at best.

He's not going to take time out of his busy schedule of golf and diaper changes to bail out a bunch of people he thinks are failures.

As long as they are felons they cant vote. Republicans are going to want to do a mass pardon to get their votes for 2026.

StealThisSheen posted...

This is true, the more I think about it. I've barely seen anybody actually criticize the game, but I've seen a lot of people defending it from people supposedly attacking it.

Sadly I used to follow those kinds of people. One thing I noticed as I was getting out of it is that what they would normally be reacting to is Twitter posts with maybe 2 followers and they would pretend it was what the entire left believed.

I think they troll social media just looking for that one post from anybody that gives them the position they want to argue against. It works to drive engagement.

rynobot posted...

They did this in Hungary also

Good catch. I actually meant Hungary lol

WingsOfGood posted...

Lmao
These guys don't make micro decisions. Not even the top guys at fandom probably involved other than when they went in on the deal.

The owner just sits back and let their stocks and such give them free money. Maybe chew the president and CEO out at a board meeting if that not going well.

Your probably right, but I do have a conspiracy theory that the GOP loves what Orbon did with the media in Turkey where he had all his friends buy it up, and is trying to do that here.

Elon buying Twitter and the government trying to ban Tik Tok are seemingly unrelated, but certainly do help the GOP and pushes us closer to the Turkey model. I just also keep an eye out for any other right wing billionaire buying up property and a left leaning platform they now own getting shut down.

Oh good, another self made billionaire. Hard to believe a guy like that would want to shut down a left leaning politics board.

I havent looked into Rowling specifically, but other famous people who descend the way Rowling has usually goes through a very specific pipeline.

They begin by making some off the cuff joke about trans people that is extremely bigoted, but due to straight rich person privilege they dont see it that way. Then when they get paid a back by the community, instead of doing self reflection, they see the pushback as the problem. Then a cycle begins of trying to go against the community and the community continuing. To push back until the celebrity thinks that it all there is to the community.

At that point they are gone and cant see the people they are targeting as human anymore. Its now a conspiracy to specifically target them. All because their hubris wouldnt let them do a little self reflection.

Its actually worrisome when you look at how Orbon took over Hungary and compare that to what is happening here. One thing he did was get his rich friends to buy up media and then shut down media he couldnt buy until only his media was left.

Here we have two main source of news that young people look at, Twitter and Tik Tok. Twitter gets bought up by someone who fell down the right wing rabbit hole and is sympathetic to Trump, and the government is currently trying to ban Tik Tok.

If a movie is bad and stars a white man, it is a bad movie.

If a movie is bad and stars a black man it is woke.

Its pretty easy to see what woke means.

Biden is right now pushing for a ceasefire, but I doubt all the but Israel people in here care. Theyve decided to indirectly support Trump and nothing willl stop them.

Trumble posted...

I can see a drawing of the tracks which the person trying to manipulate the perception of things can choose what they do or don't include on it. In the real world situation, there would be multiple other tracks that the artist chose not to include in their recreation because they want to convince people those tracks don't exist; because despite their preferred track having some serious known flaws, they can't bear the thought of any other track being taken. Not even a better one.

Ive yet to hear anyone with your position actually explain what the alternative is beside some vague assertion that everyone can magically choose a third party candidate that a majority will agree on.

Trumble posted...

I don't approach the situation with a mentality of "I really like this one track regardless of what harm comes from taking it, so I'm going to pretend the only other tracks that exist are the even worse ones".

You can see the tracks. Its not like there is a third track that will magically appear if you squint hard enough.