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I'm prepared to declare I hate this PPV on general principle because hey, why not?
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ninkendo posted...

Jericho/Owens is the only interesting WM plot on RAW while Smackdown has several

Raw also has...uh...the tag title scene isn't actively UNinteresting?
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MariaTaylor posted...

I can't speak for the rest of board 8 but I've always hated Awakening. I actually specifically bought a 3DS to play Awakening and EO4, and I was incredibly disappointed by both games. rather than go on a rant about all the things I dislike about FE:A, I'll just leave it at that. it was so bad that it actually made me quit the series for quite some time.

I don't hate Awakening but it's definitely one of the weaker games in the series. It has just enough of the standard Fire Emblem experience for me to like it, but it failed at basically everything other than "be a Fire Emblem game"
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Jakyl25 posted...

Again, it's not even the "real" title belt.

Any damage claimed would have to be just due to someone defiling the image of the company they worked for.

It's essentially no different than if Maddox finished on a copy of Smackdown vs. Raw 2007

If she's carrying that prop around because she's expected to represent the image the company wants from the people it gives props to...

I mean I imagine the WWE *would* have some pretty harsh words for someone who went out of their way to s*** on (whether figuratively or literally) their merchandise and had it go public regardless of what the exact details were. They might not be fired over it, but it could be the last straw for someone like Paige who isn't really on great terms with them to begin with.
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TheRock1525 posted...

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's a real stretch to ask for punishment Paige like she's the first person to "defile" company property by getting something on it. I can guarantee at some point someone dropped a liquid on their belt, including different bodily fluids.

You can "guarantee" it but no actually you can't because there isn't proof of them deliberately doing something like there is for her now. Most people don't go out of their way to create video evidence of them doing something with their employer's property/logo/whatever term you want to use that they know their employer would be distinctly less than pleased to be associated with.

I mean, how many beer baths featuring Stone Cold Steve Austin do you need to know he got beer on a title?

This is a joke right
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TheRock1525 posted...

It's a real stretch to ask for punishment Paige like she's the first person to "defile" company property by getting something on it. I can guarantee at some point someone dropped a liquid on their belt, including different bodily fluids.

You can "guarantee" it but no actually you can't because there isn't proof of them deliberately doing something like there is for her now. Most people don't go out of their way to create video evidence of them doing something with their employer's property/logo/whatever term you want to use that they know their employer would be distinctly less than pleased to be associated with.
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barreldragon88 posted...

Some of Conquest's maps are just stupid because the "difficulty" is from the ridiculousness of debuffs.

This is infinitely preferable to some of the dumbassery the earlier games came up with, given that you can actually completely see what's going to happen and work out your plan before you do it. Only real problem is how much brutally harder chapter 25/endgame get without Rescue uses left, but at least you're probably not going to do a Lunatic playthrough without doing hard first so you'll know you want to save some staffs
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RaidenZeroX posted...

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I'd be willing to bet that other people have done similar things with their respective titles, they just haven't been hacked and caught.

I don't think "Well I arbitrarily believe other people have done it too" is really a relevant defense in this or any other situation <_<
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Conquest is one of the harder games in the series, and probably the hardest to just luck your way through. That latter detail can get a tad annoying at times since you definitely are as vulnerable to bad luck as always
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Something tells me that it doesn't look any better in hindsight than it did at the time
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How over does a guy have to get to be considered over in your mind? Bryan or bust? Like what exactly do you want Cesaro to do differently, he was the generic guy, he got stuck with that dumbass yodelling thing, he went white nationalist with Zeb Colter, he's started pretending he's some James Bond porn parody with the suit he rips off, he and Sheamus have developed a pretty distinct dynamic...dude has gone through a lot of phases, added a lot of little minor details here and there, and generally been pretty popular throughout it. He's over based on his ring work, he had a catchphrase people liked (albeit shared with Swagger/Colter) for a while, he has a spot that gets the crowd going every time like Bryan's Yes kicks, I'm not entirely sure what else he can really do short of just not being Cesaro anymore and hoping that Vince likes him more as Wilbert Humperdink
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Nice dude, sounds like something out of a TV show
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Lopen posted...

And I'd call you wrong if for no other reason than I've seen these guys do the same thing their whole career.

All the big stars have had a few major character changes before they were a big deal. Heel Cesaro is the same as Face Cesaro - Cesaro Swing. Heel Ziggler is the same as Face Ziggler. You can say "oh they're scripted that way" but then how does AJ Styles do so well while being very distinct from his face persona after turning heel?

The same thing being getting over? It doesn't really matter if you think they're the same or boring or whatever, these dudes clearly have gotten the crowd on their side repeatedly. Whatever they're doing is working. Are they supposed to just ditch everything people like about them and come up with something new because apparently entertaining people isn't their job? Like sure they could try to reinvent themselves more, but this mentality is the whole problem. Why would a guy like this *want* to reinvent themselves when the only reason they're even in the position to consider it is that they've been shown that the company doesn't seem to want them to try to get over?
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Lopen posted...

But if you're a Cesaro or a Ziggler? Absolutely you wanna try as hard as you can with what you're given, and some of what you're not, unless you wanna be midcard for life.

If I'm one of those guys I'm thinking that I could turn into some crazy hybrid with the charisma of the Rock, the look of Hogan and the ring skills of Bret Hart and it wouldn't stop me being midcard for life.
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Lopen posted...

I just feel like wrestling like with a lot of jobs is probably more than just doing what you're told-- there's something to be said for trying harder to really knock something out of the park, or pitching new ideas, that isn't explicitly in the job description, that a lot of today's stars seem to lack.

Maybe, but at the same time when you see so many examples of guys who do go the extra mile getting no recognition for it (and maybe even outright scorn), it's bound to be bad for morale. Like if I'm in the WWE right now why should I bother to come up with anything, work hard, connect with the crowd? I know it's not going to get me anywhere that playing along at the bare minimum level will. It might even get me less screen time if the higher ups are worried it might prevent me from being used to properly get their guys over.
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So what happened, did they just not even have anything, or did they have something that didn't reveal anything, or...?
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Lopen posted...

On the other hand I really do feel like there are a lot more guys phoning it in now. There are a lot of things, subtle or not, that you can do to give yourself character. I mean Akira Tozawa is more over than most of the cruiserweight division largely because he yells like an insane person all the time in his matches. I doubt showing some personality during matches would be something that would actively be worked against, and this can bleed into interviews, whatever. Getting bad writing forced on you will always be bad but the right delivery can save a lot of bad dialogue.

Like how their response to Cesaro getting over with stuff he does in the ring has been to get him to stop doing it for random lengths of time?

The WWE is just really weird with when they actually let guys have personality and when they don't.
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I mean even when guys have characters they get it taken away, whether it was their idea to begin with or not it's probably not theirs to just scrap the thing that makes people care about them. There's a pretty clear pattern where even if a guy has something that takes off, he stops being allowed to do it, or gets taken off TV, or otherwise is pretty much not given the opportunity to run with it.
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This was a pretty rough Raw to be a face. You've got Enzo/Cass/Cesaro/Sheamus getting collectively owned by just two guys, Zayn and Jericho getting slaughtered, Bayley getting the s*** kicked out of her for no apparent reason, Reigns eating the most devastating awkward stomach clothesline thing of all time (dude went flying!) and Rollins getting beaten down in his own dramatic comeback. Score one for the bad guys.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Thank you Strowman chant for taking out the companies top babyface. Vince is clearly senile.

Vince is going to take this as a sign that Reigns shouldn't be the top face anymore

Strowman should be!

Nice friendly guy Braun Strowman your next WWE Universal World Global Heavyweight Champion of the Heavy World!
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Will he be able to top his last return, when he made the greatest surprise return in history by just randomly coming out to the ring with the rest of the Wyatts while no one even acknowledged he hadn't been seen in months?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Panthera posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

more annoying version of 2011 Cole

Dear god how is this even possible

Do you want a taste???

https://youtu.be/fLA19TysBNc


30 seconds in this goes off the rails

Imagine two hours of THAT

I like how that was fine, then there was that slight pause after the other guy calls the move for him and you can just feel the impending disaster and then it happens
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Jakyl25 posted...

more annoying version of 2011 Cole

Dear god how is this even possible
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I'd refuse because I'm not willing to cut off enough of my chin to make it work
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voltch posted...

So what will Nakamura actually do on the main roster?

Win the obligatory intro feud with Miz or whoever, stumble around the mid card aimlessly for a while then get an awkward love triangle story with Rusev and Lana
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Oh sweet my random guess was close
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Jakyl25 posted...

Fun Fact: Goldberg broke Kane's record for longest gap between World Title reigns in history.

Kane went 12 years, 1 month between his two reigns.

Goldberg went 13 years, 3 months between the end of his WHC reign and the start of his Universal Title reign.

How old will Undertaker be when he breaks this record, 57?
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Well Braun Strowman, you had a good run there, being more interesting than you had any right to be, but sorry man, it's officially over.
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