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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/29/17 3:13:59 AM
#138
Just pulled -Def +Res Hector. My first 1-2 range unit! IVs aren't perfect but it's not -Atk so I'll take it.
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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/28/17 10:14:17 PM
#134
She has Sapphire Lance and decent stats so she will ruin your red unit's day. I'd say Ninian is actually the dancer I see most often.

In other news I pulled on the new banner and got 2 red orbs/3 grey ones so after resigning myself to pulling once and quitting, I proceeded to get a neutral IV 5* Alm. Can't complain, especially after my abysmal luck with my last 200 or so orbs.
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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/28/17 9:23:09 PM
#131
Yankees posted...
I've killed Hector with Blarblade/Desperation Linde before. I'm not sure if it would work without Blarblade, but certainly not with the default skill set. Reinhardt + Dancer gives me the most trouble in the arena, and it isn't that uncommon in my experience.

I'm not into the game enough to start designing teams around skill inheritance, plus just the existence of it basically kills the entire fanservice aspect of the game for me (Linde without Aura wtf). I really just try to forget it's even there.

My least favorite arena set up is probably Kagero + any dancer, but especially Azura. Hector's just bad for this current season, Kagero will be frustrating forever (though I can't complain too much since I run her...)
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TopicUNC Tar Heel Mitch Trubisky drafted then forced to delete a tweet already!
Kenri
04/28/17 9:01:13 PM
#72
SmartMuffin posted...
Why do we, as a society, instantly and by default react negatively towards expressions of male sexuality?

2017 is all about reacting as negatively to male sexuality as people have reacted to female sexuality for centuries. It's called "equality".
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 88: Nobody knew trade deals could be so complicated
Kenri
04/28/17 7:42:32 PM
#154
Let me know when Mexico agrees to pay for that dumbass wall, I guess!
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 88: Nobody knew trade deals could be so complicated
Kenri
04/28/17 7:02:58 PM
#150
Corrik posted...
Another campaign promise. Did you guys even watch the lead up to the election? Lol

Maybe the part people find surprising is that he's actually trying to follow through on a campaign promise? Hasn't been very common, so far!
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Topic100 mil. dollars but you live for 10 more years
Kenri
04/28/17 6:34:39 PM
#27
metaIslug posted...
why is b8 so obtuse. its obvious what tc was saying even if the syntax was wrong or w/e

Apparently not judging by the number of people who were confused!
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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/28/17 5:57:11 PM
#127
I don't really bother with skill inheritance lol

Kagero can only beat Nowi without damage on her since she can't OHK and gets hit hard in return, so if she already baited and counterkilled Takumi (for instance) it doesn't work out. Linde I don't think can but maybe I'm wrong. Reinhardt I never see but yeah he would be an issue.
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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/28/17 5:25:42 PM
#124
Grimmer posted...
Yeah, that team is not beating Hector. An arena team isn't really viable if you don't have one character that can battle Hector. I face him quite a bit, and I imagine you need to have some fortunate luck to dodge him 7 in a row.

You cannot get more than 500 feathers on defense in a season, barrel.

I barely ever run into Hector, surprisingly. My choice there was basically "drop Marth and lose to Hector" or "drop Julia and lose to Nowi (plus just have a harder time in general since Julia's more useful)". In either case it doesn't matter too much since we'll have new arena bonus characters soon.
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Topic100 mil. dollars but you live for 10 more years
Kenri
04/28/17 4:30:57 PM
#17
Smallville posted...
i don't know how someone would read it like that

Because that's literally what you wrote? Don't blame other people for not mentally correcting your syntax.
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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/28/17 4:24:09 PM
#120
Grimmer posted...
Hector and Effie are the easiest characters to beat in the arena.

As someone running Linde/Julia/Kagero/Sharena right now because Sharena's the only decent unit I have that gets bonus points, Hector is just an instant-forfeit.

Back when I was running Marth he was EZ though.
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TopicFire Emblem Discussion Topic Part 6: Still hoping for Lloyd and Linus
Kenri
04/28/17 12:22:08 AM
#105
Team Rocket Elite posted...
It sounds like we are getting a Hector, Ryoma, Azura, and Takumi banner for Golden Week. I think the banner will have a boosted 5* focus rate as well (5% instead of 3%).

These are literally the four most annoying characters in the game (okay Kagero and Ninian might be up there too) so yay can't wait for more people to have them!!
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 88: Nobody knew trade deals could be so complicated
Kenri
04/28/17 12:11:50 AM
#111
Donny boy said...
"This is more work than in my previous life.

It's a non-zero amount so of course it is. Wonder what he expected. Figurehead position?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 88: Nobody knew trade deals could be so complicated
Kenri
04/27/17 8:23:22 PM
#96
They might have valid IDs despite being non-citizens/impersonators? Idk I was wondering that too.
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TopicWould you introduce yourself as an 'alpha male'?
Kenri
04/27/17 8:13:36 PM
#24
CaptainOfCrush posted...
I've never heard someone refer to themselves as an alpha male, even on the internet.

god do i envy you
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 5:42:56 PM
#237
Superman's also had a long history of being a potential villain (even a potential dictator), hasn't he?
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 5:22:03 PM
#232
Jakyl25 posted...
I'm attempting to say that HYDRA can be a Nazi analogue, in the sense that they're all fascists, but it's not specifically a Nazi analogue

Ah I get it. It seems like splitting hairs to me since the Venn diagram of neo-Nazis and wannabe fascists in 2017 is basically just a circle, but your point is well-taken, especially if you just mean specifically German National Socialists.
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 5:17:28 PM
#229
scarletspeed7 posted...
New Criticism would say that if the text says they are not Nazis, you have to take it at face value.

That doesn't sound like criticism at all. That just sounds like reading.

But hey at least we both don't give a shit what Nick Spencer says! Common ground!
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 5:03:16 PM
#225
scarletspeed7 posted...
Also, Kenri, you and I must come from different points of view, because I believe in New Criticism as a theory for reading, which means that any authorial intent is irrelevant to my understanding of a narrative.

It's irrelevant to my analysis of the narrative, hence why I'm saying they're Nazis even when the text (and therefore, presumably, the author intent) says they're not. But it's still relevant in the sense that it exists, i.e. fiction does not just "happen", it's created by someone.

Jakyl25 posted...
I think what Kenri is missing is that fascism is a wider concept than specific groups with their own unique bigotries.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here? Like yeah it's a wider concept, but also we only have a handful of "true" examples of it, all of them from Europe in the 1930s and 40s. It's hard to talk about fascism without just talking about specific groups, which were often at odds with each other nonetheless.

scarletspeed7 posted...
So, my question is, why are you against me attempt to bring nuance to the part of the comics that will matter later - the continuity? Because, in the end, that's all that matters at Marvel.

If I'm understanding you right, I'm not against it - it's your interest, have fun with it, why would I be against it? - but it's also completely irrelevant to what I'm arguing.
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:41:50 PM
#217
Jakyl25 posted...
"HYDRA are Nazi allegories"
"They can't be because there are also actual Nazis"

Is basically the volley of this argument

Which is super weird to me because like... there are literally multiple groups of Nazis in the world right now, in 2017?? They haven't gone away and they've never been homogeneous...
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:37:34 PM
#212
scarletspeed7 posted...
Look, you're going to get nowhere with me, because you reduce characters and concepts to large stereotyped groups of individuals. It's pretty recidivist and it's exactly the problem that is perpetuated by people like Trump. Let fiction have nuance. Let fiction be cool. Don't assume that because things have superficial similarities, that they are the same.

I mean, you're the one taking fiction at face value instead of analyzing its connections to real life events and groups. Superficial similarities aren't superficial in fiction -- fiction conserves detail, so something "superficial" was purposely done with authorial intent behind it.

It's like when a story gives the US a black president whose last name is Omaha. Yeah, you can say that in-universe he's a clearly distinct individual with his own history and everything. But also, you know exactly who that's supposed to be, right?
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:26:43 PM
#201
Jakyl25 posted...
I actually read a What If story last night where Red Skull was taking over the world and was like "Welcome to the Fourth Reich!"

I'm trying to avoid bringing Red Skull himself into this because I don't think it goes anywhere.

Also that's the Fourth Reich! Totally different from the Third Reich. Must not be a Nazi.
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:24:50 PM
#199
scarletspeed7 posted...
Except, in-universe, HYDRA existed before the Nazis. HYDRA existed after the Nazis.

This only matters to characters in-universe, not readers. (Also Nazis exist today so unless in-universe there are no neo-Nazis, the latter sentence doesn't even make sense.)

scarletspeed7 posted...
HYDRA had projects and interactions with characters that were irrelevant to the Nazis, taking place far from Europe or any Nazi occupied territory.

Irrelevant, real life Nazis had and continue to have projects and interactions from away from Europe too.

scarletspeed7 posted...
Saying "Fascists are fascists so they should just be lumped together" is pretty bigoted, honestly. The Nazis sucked at taking over the world. HYDRA is clever.

AGAIN not winning people over to your side unless they're already fond of Nazis!
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TopicWho do you think was in the right in this delta airlines bathroom situation?
Kenri
04/27/17 4:18:15 PM
#9
EndOfDiscOne posted...
*boycotts Delta*

I'm running out of options here!

oligopolies are a bitch, ain't they
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:16:16 PM
#196
scarletspeed7 posted...
It's fair to characterize them as Nazis if you want to be ignorant of the nuances of the comics is what I'm getting act. You are doing yourself a disservice to dumb down the concept. HYDRA is better at the game than the Nazis because HYDRA used the Nazis until it wasn't profitable then cut and ran.

Again though, you're not winning someone over who doesn't appreciate the idea of Captain America, the most anti-fascist, anti-nazi character in popular culture, being retconned into a fascist who is "better at the game than the Nazis". It doesn't matter Hydra isn't part of ONE PARTICULAR group of Nazis. You're still describing a group who are written as Nazis in a general sense.
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:14:14 PM
#195
scarletspeed7 posted...
Here's the thing though. Red Skull tries to bring back the Nazis in various storylines. He also has worked with HYDRA. So at times he uses HYDRA to resurrect the Nazi movement. That's what happened recently. It backfired because Steve Rogers believes he is HYDRA and not a Nazi. There is a definite dichotomy.

Also, this is a fun conversation.

Doesn't matter though. Hitler purged the SA. Fascists turn on themselves all the time.

Maybe in-universe characters will accept the dichotomy, because they're operating with knowledge from their universe and, more importantly, because they're being written to accept it. But to a reader, who only has knowledge of the historical Nazi movements and isn't forced to accept in-universe distinctions, I think it's pretty damn understandable to say "they're both Nazis even if they don't like each other always".
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 4:07:03 PM
#192
scarletspeed7 posted...
Yes. But they are different fascists. Both groups can't take over the world unless one group secretly controls the other group without the second group's knowledge.

I think that when you've got a group that are fascists, that historically allied with Nazis, and where many of its prominent members are Nazis, it's pretty fair for someone to characterize the group... as Nazis.

Nobody's calling them the Third Reich, as far as I know. That's a more historical term that I think it's pretty easy to say they're not based on the info you've given me.
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:59:21 PM
#187
Okay maybe I can put this a different way

Are Hydra fascists?
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:53:43 PM
#180
scarletspeed7 posted...
Because in flashback stories of HYDRA, characters like Von Strucker worked in league with the Nazis during World War II, or other characters served both parties. However, they are far from the same. And considering what the original ideals of the National Socialist party were and what they transitioned into (and what their leaders had planned on top which was not public knowledge), it can be understood that HYDRA, which has its own set of goals that are oftentimes at odds with the Nazis, is not the same as Nazis.

It's like saying that the original Secret Empire in Marvel is the same as the US Government. They took spots in the US Government. They were not the entire US Government. Not all US politicians (particularly Republicans in that storyline) were part of the Secret Empire. Honestly, that is legitimately a very accurate analogy.

I mean I don't know anything about the Secret Empire so I can't speak to that analogy, but it sure sounds like Hydra are Nazis even with your explanation of why they aren't. Lots of real Nazis didn't agree with 100% of Nazi ideology or goals either.
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TopicWho do you think was in the right in this delta airlines bathroom situation?
Kenri
04/27/17 3:44:26 PM
#2
he should have just pissed on the crew member who was being a dick to him
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:36:58 PM
#174
Serious question then, not trying to "gotcha!" you or anything: why do you think so many people consider Hydra to be Nazis if they're nothing alike?
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:26:50 PM
#172
scarletspeed7 posted...
No in our universe it's "Waaaaaah I don't read comics and can't differentiate between Nazis and Hydra." #HydraLivesMatter

okay but all i'm saying is that when nick fury is made into a member of some hood-wearing anti-black terrorist group (which is totally not the KKK i swear) because of "villain shenanigans" i'll just be like, 'welp same shit different day at modern day marvel'
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:20:43 PM
#170
In-universe it's "villain shenanigans" but in our universe it's "a real person chose to make Captain America a Nazi, holy shit".
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:13:43 PM
#168
Just going off what my friends who love Marvel in a general sense but absolutely fucking hate it right now because of Nick Spencer's Nazi fetish have told me!
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 3:01:06 PM
#166
scarletspeed7 posted...
That's actually not likely at all. What are you even talking about? Are you familiar with either of those movements, and moreover are you familiar with Nick Fury?

After making Captain America a Nazi, pretty sure any supremely bad decision is possible.
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TopicIn 5 weeks, DC Comics sales are up 37% and Marvel sales are down 18%
Kenri
04/27/17 2:43:09 PM
#164
scarletspeed7 posted...
"Can't wait for him to be rebooted as an Asian lesbian next month."

As someone not into comics at all, I would absolutely be into Asian lesbian Nick Fury.

These days, Nazi KKK member Nick Fury is probably more likely though.
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TopicWould you consider evolution to be 100 perc. proven fact?
Kenri
04/27/17 3:24:52 AM
#61
JDPizza posted...
the dude who went on the most epic anti-feminist internet rant of all time

imagine being the kind of person who types this thinking it's a positive for their source
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 87: Taxreformers: Age of Extinction
Kenri
04/26/17 3:02:49 PM
#351
redrocket_pub posted...
"The Civil War was about state's rights," is literally Fake History, unless by "state's rights" you just mean "the right to maintain the institution of slavery."

Indeed. Even then it doesn't extend to any broader reverence for states' rights, since slave states did everything they could to curtail non-slave states' rights with things like the Fugitive Slave Act.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 87: Taxreformers: Age of Extinction
Kenri
04/26/17 2:52:15 PM
#342
Corrik posted...
Not why the Confederacy was formed, and it speaks to a lack of knowledge on the subject.

Yeah it was and plenty of states admitted it at the time but keep playin' dumb.

Corrik posted...
The Confederate Flag is no different than the Lone Star Flag or the California Republic Flag.

Look if you want to make an argument that the shitty inceptions of Texas and California make their flags racist, I'll stand behind you on that. But that isn't your argument, is it?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 87: Taxreformers: Age of Extinction
Kenri
04/26/17 2:45:36 PM
#334
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Lasa can give you archived posts that assassinate my character

yeah but does it really count as libel if you're the one who made them
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 87: Taxreformers: Age of Extinction
Kenri
04/26/17 2:38:53 PM
#321
Corrik posted...
The Confederate Flag does not stand for Slavery. It stands for Southern Tradition. Just because they had slavery does not make it a slavery symbol. Many nations had slavery. Are their flags all racist now?

If those nations were created for the sole purpose of having slavery like the Confederate States of America was, then yes.

Edit: I also might argue yes regardless and say that a nation's flag is inherently and permanently damaged by atrocities like slavery, but that's a more extreme view based on me being anti-nationalist and I don't think it gets us anywhere.
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TopicFreedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Freedom isn't dead, it just smells funny [dwmf]
Kenri
04/26/17 1:40:41 PM
#395
All of it.

(Not all at once, mind you.)
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TopicFreedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Freedom isn't dead, it just smells funny [dwmf]
Kenri
04/26/17 12:36:38 PM
#392
As a historian, the idea of "if this knowledge was important, it would have been preserved" is patently nonsense. Like 100% backwards -- the further you go back in time, the more it becomes "this is important because it was preserved" rather than the other way around.
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TopicAnyone remember my friend who got fired for msging the FB instead of calling?
Kenri
04/25/17 7:01:39 PM
#102
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Listen, I'm just going to reply to this part because it just makes my entire point.

You can disagree that speaking is more personal than typing something, but here's the deal. I argue that with examples and well-placed reasoning for why that is, backed up by what is frankly just sense.

No, you don't. Your whole argument is "it is because it is", which is the same as my argument, because it's entirely subjective and comes down to what you see as "personal", which is a philosophical argument. What do you want me to do, say "yeah well I text my girlfriend because we consider it more personal than phone calls"? Now I'd have an example too, but what would that prove?

Also pro-tip if you choose to continue this argument -- quit doing stuff like this:
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
And you cannot tell me that it isn't more personal hearing someone's voice than it is seeing words they type.

Okay, so what would move you more?

I guess if you want to delude yourself into thinking you don't get anything more out of a conversation with one of your friends by speaking and hearing their voice and playing off their tone than you do from them texting you, but sure brother.

Cuz me and a few others have already told you our position; we're not just going to suddenly agree with you if you ask enough times and act like we're just lying for some weird reason.


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
But hey, I guess saying "lol" gives you the same personal feeling to someone than them actually laughing.

No, "lol" these days usually means something akin to "I know what I just said can be taken as me being rude but that's not my intent". It would normally be communicated by body language, but you don't have that in text messages. Or phone calls lol
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TopicAnyone remember my friend who got fired for msging the FB instead of calling?
Kenri
04/25/17 5:26:43 PM
#79
foolm0r0n posted...
uhh text shows a LOT of emotion, and very clearly too

if that was true we'd see it used as an artistic medium and as far i know, no such medium exists
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 87: Taxreformers: Age of Extinction
Kenri
04/25/17 5:19:14 PM
#211
Nelson_Mandela posted...
PerfectChaosZ posted...
then graduated up to KKK Meetings (both of which i'd say aren't outside the norm for average people in SC)

wasn't quite sure if you were trolling before, but now we know

nothing to see here!

so much for the tolerant right
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TopicAnyone remember my friend who got fired for msging the FB instead of calling?
Kenri
04/25/17 5:12:37 PM
#74
Wanglicious posted...
also calling is absolutely more personal simply because voice transmits more data than text can.

nothing more personal than comparative rates of data transmission!
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 87: Taxreformers: Age of Extinction
Kenri
04/25/17 3:45:57 PM
#174
Jacen_SoIo posted...
It is a societal problem for men, yes, and one they have to overcome if they want to be successful. Can you control people? No. But it IS a problem and it DOES suck. It sucks as much as ugly women being entirely ignored by men, because that happens too and everyone agrees it sucks too. There's a ton of movements dedicated to appreciating women no matter how they look but virtually no discussions about how men are objectified in a different and equal way - except the discussion put forth by extremists and that also sucks.

I mean, I've seen tons of stuff from feminists about how the patriarchy hurts men, including for things like being emotional. I think Metal_DK is claiming it's (intentionally?) deceitful, but there's plenty of it out there.


CaptainOfCrush posted...
It's not a societal problem; I never claimed that, and if you feel I implied that, then woops. It's a problem only for the man affected by it, and even then, it's only a problem if that man gives a shit.

Ah alright my bad, I apologize for misinterpreting!
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TopicAnyone remember my friend who got fired for msging the FB instead of calling?
Kenri
04/25/17 3:39:03 PM
#63
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Yes. It does. Because you are hearing someone's voice. You are adding intonation and personality when talking to someone on the phone as opposed to typing something out. Why do people choose to speak on the phone to their significant others than texting or emailing them? Hell, my girlfriend and I speak on the phone for the sheer reason that it's more personal than texting each other for when we don't see each other for a while! And you cannot tell me that it isn't more personal hearing someone's voice than it is seeing words they type.

I can absolutely tell you that. I already did, twice, and even said we weren't gonna agree, and yet here we are so *shrug*

Anyway people communicate with their significant others over, like, every method of communication, depending on lots of factors, which is basically the ideal way of doing things rather than defaulting to phone calls for everything.


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Really bro? We're actually going to throw out giant exceptions here? Because I'll have you know that people who I have went to college with that have voice modulation for when they move their eyes and whatnot to have a computerized voice speaking for them was a lot more personal to us than it would be if this person were to just send us messages.

I'm throwing out "giant exceptions" to demonstrate that voice itself is not necessary for personal communications. Your example has not disproved this.


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Okay, so what would move you more? If someone said beautiful words to you with their voice, knowing how they sound, hearing their sincerity, or if they were to write it out and give it to you? Both can be personal, in content, but one of those are more personal on an emotional level and which one it is should be obvious.

It depends on the situation, I can't make blanket judgments for this. As I've already implied.


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I said it's still interacting, but it's not as direct, you get all the time in the world to think about what to say and you can revise it, meaning it's a lot less genuine than speaking. And if it's not as genuine then... It's not as personal.

You said it's not "a personal conversation with actual interaction". Also some might say that being able to pick your words carefully makes it more genuine, not less.
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Jacen_SoIo posted...
Wanting to be successful in dating =/= feeling entitlement to people's bodies.

I feel like there's entitlement implied if you consider women "silently deciding to not date you" to be a societal problem that can be fixed rather than just women being allowed to not date people they don't wanna date.
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