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Whoa. Depression was so easy. I think I died only twice.

ok I guess I missed stuff in machine then. makes sense. maybe I'll do that before I try anything else, 'cause I'm still stuck at one missing ??? area in the first area, and I'm sure it's in the room with the locked door. (there's a gap at the top of that screen though that i have no idea how to get to, there's even a totally unnecessary hook!) this is the end 14 i'm talking about i think

the room you're talking about the bottom not being possible is spike tales 7, the one I mentioned.

it is possible, I did it. I looped around the whole way and beat the level. just confusing that the skip is even there. like is it a "hidden" shortcut...? it was obvious. I just thought there must be something the other way, but i was wrong.

I'm already having trouble finding secrets in the first levels, it'll be even harder in the future.

Anger was downright pleasant compared to Denial and Bargaining.

so wait... i found keys in the machine but they just helped me get through the machine... where do I get keys for all the other doors?!

what's up with spike tales...? the room halfway through (6) allows you to switch directions... I figured there must be more to it, so I went all the way to the right and it just turned me around and brought me back to 6! (and may I mention, spike tales 7 has the most bullshit jumps in the game so far)

um... I unlocked the tower of ascension

...where is it? should I know this?

I lied. I have a bit of time to play tonight.

Stopping in the machine wasn't the greatest idea because of it's confusing layout. But I was really near the end. I just remember a split path somewhere where both needed keys and I only took one path?

This is my map as of getting the heart from the machine.

(spoilers)

As you can see, I've missed a ton of stuff.

...Do you have a hint for that first tumor in Golgotha? I don't even see one in the room!

I think I'll go through and try to find all this stuff before I proceed... I can also do the 300x Tumour level from the first area.

I did not mean to abandon you here, I just started playing a mafia game on Monday that has left me with no time for video games. I likely will not play this game more for at least another week due to IRL obligations.

I would never put the game down until I had 100% of tumors so don't worry

Unfortunately I stayed up too late playing this game last night that now I got home and I'm exhausted so can't play more

but I reeeally want to

actually, thinking about it...

9 areas so far with like 20 rooms each, + each one has maybe another 20 screens of ??? (assuming 7 each, with 2-3 screens), plus the cartridge list looks like maybe 20 cartridges of 20... I guess that IS kind of close to 600. so perhaps I was wrong. I guess there isn't TOO much coming up? idk.

i got mostly through the machine and started getting keys. i was really tempted to try to go back and use one somewhere else, but then I'd have to start machine again from level 1 when I come back, so I didn't... I have 300 tumors so I can do that whenever I'm done here...

but I already stayed up way past my bedtime playing this, which was a questionable decision

but also I've missed a TON of hidden areas and I'm normally pretty good at finding secret passages. so this is gonna take quite a bit of effort to 100%...

Machine unlocked!

Yeah, I'll have to go back to the first few areas now that I know how to break blocks... though I could swear I tried falling from really high up on some of them, but I probably wasn't using the down pound.

I feel like a lot of Super Meat Boy fans might not like this game as much because it's actually more simplified. But I dunno.

I'm excited because, even though I don't know spoilers at all, I do know the store page said "600+ levels) and the current map is nowhere near that, and I'm at like 75% done or something. Even if you include 10 levels for each cart, there's gotta be something else coming? Or I could be wrong. I wonder what getting all the body parts does...

Okay well that actually wasn't so bad. The fish room in future there wasn't really the problem, the second room was annoying (weighing down the platform into the water) because of how narrow it was, with the spikes.

I think Golgotha was the easiest area so far. I found all but the last +5 tumor, and in general nothing in the area was too hard. The worst was the last few rooms with the super fast blocks. But there was nothing super annoying like the cannonballs or the skullbats or etc. Actually, I can't find the tumor in Golgotha 1...

I have 2 body parts now but I don't know where to go next... Oh. Whoops. I just realized I know how to break blocks now so I can go right at the split... Guess I've gotta get the third. And then I might be able to get to 300 tumors when I beat that area... Assuming I go back and find all the ones I missed...

aaaaahhhhhh

i got to the end of golgotha

the fish are real!

they exist in the real world too!

noooooooo

As much as the map thing annoys me, I like that this game feels unique and fresh. It's rare in this day and age to find a game that brings you that sense of wonder you had playing games when you were younger, where you didn't know what to expect, because you didn't yet know the "formula" that games employ.

I've played a lot of 2d platformers but I've never played one that has this kind of map and level progression. It's not really like super meat boy, and a big part of that is the way the levels connect and how they start getting creative with this and having you re-enter the same screen a few times, searching for ??? areas, wondering what the locks are for, the body parts, etc.

The game has a very distinct feel as a result of this, plus the overall aesthetic of it, and how it really simplifies things and focuses on only a few core mechanics in each area, tied together by the main themes of the downwards acceleration, the sinking platforms in every area, the wall hooks.

Yeah, that wall jump in Bargaining had me totally stumped for quite a while, I tried a bunch of things and considered just looking it up.

There is a solution and it's pretty simple though...

oh I see

I got to level 10 in golgotha then I opened the map to check something and accidentally returned to to level 1.

the map system kind of annoys me tbh. i'm not really looking forward to having to go back through every level just to get to the ones where I missed stuff. but maybe i'm just annoyed because now i have to get back to where i was. it's easy without getting tumours, I guess...

I only have denial and bargaining, I missed whichever one is second... oh well. another time.

I decided to do Bargaining first

oh my god

have you done that one?

i'm gonna have nightmares about pixelated fish tonight

i finished ss exodus and got a head. curious... Golgotha next.

the future area in ss exodus was thrilling

that was the most intense and satisfyingly difficult thing in the game so far

ughh I finally got that room you posted earlier

honestly just getting there was frustrating enough

my strength in this genre is muscle memory - i'm really not that good, but the levels never change so i'll play the level a hundred times to learn the patterns.

stuff that moves randomly, enemies or obstacles, is my weakness.

i haaate these bats.

do the ghosts even get you anything? i wanna try getting to the ghost, but if I don't need to...

yeah i got to the split which has the cracked blocks so that was a very clear "you just can't do these yet"

so now I don't feel as bad for missing a bunch of the +5 tumors in the first few areas, since I KNOW some were hidden behind those blocks

hmm but what about the cracked blocks? I just feel like I'm missing a mechanic that could break them or something.

i don't wanna look it up, so I'll just keep going...

Oh. I was already looking forward to Sundered.

Jotun has been on my wishlist for a while, I'll play it eventually.

Sundered is a metroidvania and looks reeeeeally good.

So confused about the locks though and also sometimes there's breakable blocks in the ground but I can't break them. Is there something I can do about these? Or is it just to come back later? Still missing a bunch of ??? worlds as I go through, but I'm just moving along in case I'm gonna get a skill for the keys or blocks and will have to backtrack anyway.

I reached the third area.

I went back though because I had two cartridges: Blaster Master and Denial.

I started with Denial because it had only one objective so I figured it was the simpler one.

Needless to say, when I started Blaster Master, I was quite relieved to see that that one was a total cakewalk.

I think I could do Blaster Master with 100 rings AND without using a continue (hell, probably without dying once) faster than I could beat Denial. But I didn't even have to! (There's no secret bonus for doing that... right?) I guess the top of the list will be the "casual" carts, huh?

Mac Arrowny posted...

Do the Ys games get more interesting or better later on? I played Oath in Felgana and was kinda disappointed by how plain it was. Story was kinda nothing and the gameplay wasn't the best.

The Ys games with the same style as Felgana are Ark of Napishtim and Ys Origin. Those two are exactly the same, so you wouldn't like them. (Though Ys Origin has a good story, or at least, it's more involved)

I think Ys Seven is the new gameplay system, so is Lacrimosa of Dana, so is Memories of Celceta. (They're all on Vita atm I think?)

Also do you always have to start an area from the first level of it? Is there a way to just go back 1 or 2 screens? Like if I've entered from the right but want to enter from the left again...

I played the first area last night and I like it, but I'm already soooo lost. I only found three of the seven secret areas, and I don't have a clue where the others could all be... Can they be at the bottom of the screen too or do you always have to climb above...? Or can they be hidden in the level...? I have no idea.

just sign up there and ask to replace, a bunch of people have made 0 posts (as expected)

the championship site is currently hosting a 172-player mafia game

lol

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/10016-Mafia-Universe-Anniversary-2017

I'm not in it but Para is

It's proooobably the biggest mafia game ever played. I assume.

Bump

ScareChan posted...

Well to be fair Supraks recent game was pretty high level

Are they more comparable to the forum mafia crew

They were... not what you'd expect from "champions", basically. A bit less than half of them were clearly in over their heads. The other half had a few standouts who were amazing, the rest were just generally competent, probably about as good as many of the vets here. I don't really know how to compare it any better than that.

ScareChan posted...

Give us your thoughts and impressions of playiing Dels. how do you think you played, did you feel these guys were pretty good? Give us some details

As for the question, were these guys pretty good?

I touched on this earlier, but the answer is basically no.

165 communities were invited to play in this event.

This included many communities that do not play mafia anywhere near as "seriously" as we do. As in, players who come from communities where days last 50-100 posts, where people don't do any scumhunting, they just rely on power roles, games where vanillas don't exist, etc.

In my own game, as well as many others that I looked at, there were many players of this type.

And when you consider that the setup was 3 scum, 12 vanillas... There was a lot of "culture shock", you could say.

We had a pretty good number of mislynches and distractions available to us, purely from the players who were like "fuck this, this is too much, you guys are reading the things I say and trying to find ways to make them scummy, you're all jerks, etc etc etc" (sadly one of them was my own scumbuddy but whatever)

The two townies who were voted #1 best player and tied #2 best player with me were very good players. As a fun side note, we never nightkilled either of them, and this is why our game went down as being the best game out of all 11 of them - Every other scumteam killed the best town players on nights 1 and 2, so many of the games died out by the end and became inactive slogs with only the worst players left alive.

Besides those two, there were another small handful of players who I also thought were quite good, and then the rest were... they were fine, and many were fun to play with, and they tried their best, but I'd say the average play level was lower than the play level you'd find in, for example, Suprak's most recent game.

Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

# is a clear visual thing. Got to be sharp.

I and l look the exact same that's cruel.

And I hear that. But, it is what the system was made around. He just used all the tools at his disposal. You know from mercs very well.about using all the tools at your exposal.

Trying to trick someone with a 1 # sign vote versys trying to trick someone with a spelling is no different.

That would never fly in our system as we have rules stating if it is clear who u intended to vote for it counts. That was not the rule there apparently and that is not the town players fault.

They have an unwritten catchall. Also I got docked about 200 gp in mercs for breaking an unwritten rule so ...

Well, if they do have a rile regarding it then there is no open to interpretation answer.

This is the rule that was debated:

4. Do Not Exploit Loopholes

You are expected to abide by the spirit of the rules, not merely the letter. If you are misusing the rules in bad faith then severe action will be taken. (Likewise, if we believe a player broke the letter but not the spirit of the rules, we may be lenient.)

It's all explained here:
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/8685-Season-4-Game-5-So-You-Think-You-Can-Be-Super-The-Mafia-Championship?p=1225505&viewfull=1#post1225505

You can debate whether or not this counts as a "loophole".

The other important thing is... this newbie that they all thought was scum (because he had never played a serious mafia game before in his life so he wasn't posting lots of walls of text of deep analysis, and was like "fuck this you guys are all tryhards, I don't wanna play) got to L-1 on day 3...

And people said "Don't lynch him, don't end the day" because some people including myself and a few other scum suspects were still catching up and had things they had wanted to say before the day ended.

But this one guy (the guy who voted with the L at endgame) came in and said he didn't care and hammered and basically said "deal with it"

So he hammered a townie 24 hours early and then the next day started and people were very very on his case about it.

So, that, combined with the fact that everyone the day before was confirmation biasing and were SURE I was scumbuddies with the previously mentioned newbie mislynch, got them to reevaluate and look at everything from a new angle.

And all but two of the people who were calling me scum the day before, re-made their lists and moved me up to neutral and had other people they wanted to lynch instead.

Unfortunately, my final scumbuddy was intent on bussing me (like, she was the first person to vote the first scumbuddy after her blowup rant, and she was the first to start calling me scummy on day 1 when everyone else thought I was town), and there were still two people who thought I was scum. So as the day starting winding down, I got those three votes, and no one else was really confident enough either way so I just kind of became the default lynched. But the people who were feeling better about me didn't want me lynched, they started a counter wagon and it got to 3 votes, but that person voted me to put me at 4. So. I died 4-3. Would've lived if I wasn't bussed for sure, but it's fine, my scumbuddy ended up getting to the end because she bussed, and then she "won*".

It's a pretty impressive result when you consider how bad our first scumbuddy was. She actually scumslipped on day 2. She was trying to paint me as scum, and she said "Dels is clearly scum because he saved me from being lynched." Of course, the only reason I'd be scum for that is because she's scum. So it was, uh, a clear perspective slip. But people actually didn't notice it.

I take most of the blame for being lynched, simply because, as I said, it was my fault for not knowing how to handle this dead weight scumbuddy. I didn't know if I should save her or not on day 1, and then I couldn't handle her awful distancing attempts on day 2, so... it's my fault. But at the same time, BOTH of my scumbuddies (the setup was 3 scum 12 vanilla) tried to bus me hardcore from day 1. So... It wasn't entirely because of my own play that I got lynched.

Obviously, many of the players in the game agree that I played well, because they voted me as tied 2nd best player. (Which I honestly wasn't expecting because, well, I got lynched) I can't really speak too much about my own play other than giving you the general summary of my arc in the game, but Para was reading it as well so he can probably explain from a more outside point of view what it was like to watch.

ScareChan posted...

Give us your thoughts and impressions of playiing Dels. how do you think you played, did you feel these guys were pretty good? Give us some details

Essentially, I blinded them with activity.

I posted a lot and wrote really huge paragraphs and just did my best to seem earnest. They all town read on me on day 1 and included me in the top tier of many reads lists. (Along with the other two "best" townies, the ones that ended up winning the #1 and #2 tie spots)

My downfall came from trying to save one of my scummates. We had a really really bad scummate, she was kind of dead weight, but I didn't realize it soon enough. So the lynch on day 1 came down to her and someone else. She was lurking most of the day, then she came in and posted a big rant about how she has a life, she was at work for 16 hours so she couldn't post, and she complained about all the votes on her... and then she specifically complained about my vote on her and called me out for wagoning her. (I actually didn't have a vote on her) She started piling on votes after that.

Anyway, the other person being wagoned was also pretty scummy and I had called him scummy earlier in the day, so I decided to vote him, because being down a scum member on day 1 in this setup is just awful, I felt I kind of had to save her. (My other scummate bussed her, was the first vote on her, and then this same scummate was also the first one to call me scummy and bussed me as well)

But the problem is the two wagons were constantly equal, 3 to 3, then 4 to 3, then 4 to 4, 5 to 4, 5 to 5. Etc. So anyone who votes for the townie there ended up looking bad, because they voted at crucial junctures to save the scum. Someone proposed the equivalent of a "board 8 special" at some point near the end, so I joined it because... fun. But it left me as being the one person who voted for a) the lynched townie and b) the person that got specialed but never c) the scum. So it was a pretty bad miscalculation on my part. I joined the special because I figured it's not something scum would do (I had no actual motivation for it since it only increased the chance of the scum being lynched, since I moved my vote off the townie, and because scum would know they'd look bad for hopping around) but the reverse psychology didn't actually work, they just thought "switching your vote is scummy, scum would do that".

The bad scummate got lynched the next day. The only person she directed any suspicion at all of day 2? Me. She kept insisting I voted her and started the wagon on her, even when I never did, because she was really intent to "distance" herself from me. Then she disappeared for about 36 hours of the day and showed back up in the last 15 minutes and voted me. It was... unfortunate. Everyone saw through it and thought it was clearly distancing.

At this point, half the game had voted for her lynch on day 1, so there were only a handful of people who didn't, and I was one of them. All the people who didn't vote her on day 1 went into the "process of elimination" pool, and like I said, I stood out a bit more because I voted TWO people on day 1 that weren't scum, and never voted for her. (A clear mistake on my part - I still think saving her was the right call, we'd be totally screwed down one scum already on day 1, but I shouldn't have hopped to another wagon because "scum wouldn't do that", they didn't really have that thought process, and it just meant I voted two townies instead of scum.)

As soon as she got lynched on day 2, I had EVERY person in the game calling me scum on day 3. But luckily, we had a really inactive newbie player that no one liked, so they all lynched him instead.

Then day 4 started and people reevaluated their reads (they were sure this newbie guy was scum) and I got away from the spotlight again for a bit.

To be continued...

Just to be clear, the person's username was Yeti and the vote was for Yetl. (like Arti to Artl)

This isn't an I being switched for an l. It's an i switched to an l.

This is the post where the admin explained their ruling:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/8685-Season-4-Game-5-So-You-Think-You-Can-Be-Super-The-Mafia-Championship?p=1225505&viewfull=1#post1225505

As a representative, I felt the best thing to do was to say "I understand this must have been a hard decision for the admins, and I respect it." So... that is my stance here as well.

Hello everyone!

I wanted to post an update regarding the Mafia Championship taking place over on that other site.

As you know, they gathered 165 players from different communities and split them up into 11 "qualifier" games of 15 players each.

From each game, the 15 players vote at the end for their top three players (+4/+3/+2) and whoever gets the most votes advances into the "Finale" game. The Finale game gets 11 of it's 15 players this way. Then a jury selects 30 of the best players who didn't make it, to play in "Wildcard" games, and 4 wildcards move on to the finale as well.

I played in a game during May/June. I rolled scum. The end result... Scum did not win. Scum did not lose. It was... "no contest", aka tie.

The game came down to final 3. My scummate was alive, I was not. One of the townies placed a vote on the other townie, but they changed the lower case i in their name to a lower case l. So, for example, they placed a vote for ##Vote: Artl instead of ##Vote: Arti My scummate tried to hammer ##Vote: Arti, but because the first vote was not spelled properly, it had not gone through the automated voting system, therefore the first townie said "I tricked you!" and the town voted out the scum.

The entire site erupted into chaos (seriously, there's a discord chat and dozens of people were following this game) with mods, admins, and users all fighting over whether the move should be allowed, whether it was against the rules, whether it should be modkilled, whether the vote should've been counted and therefore scum wins, etc. Ultimately, the admin decided to announce the result as "Town Victory - Scum No Contest", in other words, the town wins, but scum didn't lose. As you can imagine, many people continued to chime in to support or debate this "result."

The automated voting system on the site was changed later that night to add a clear error message when someone votes for a player that is not on the playerlist, to ensure the situation never happens again.

All that to say, my game caused a lot of drama. And we were the only game in the history of the series (4 years running) to end in a result other than a clear win or loss for one side. (It wasn't as fun as it sounds.)

The game can be found here: http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/8685-Season-4-Game-5-So-You-Think-You-Can-Be-Super-The-Mafia-Championship

The players in the game voted for who they thought the best players were. I tied for second place in this vote, meaning I did not move on to the finale game. The player who got the #1 spot is a better player than me and absolutely deserves it, I voted for them as well as the player I tied 2nd with.

A jury selected 30 players from all 11 games to play in two wildcard games of 15.

I will be playing in a Wildcard game that begins on July 17th. If anyone wants to follow along, I'm sure the admin of the site will post here when it starts. It's guaranteed to be the most intense game of mafia I've ever played in my life. The first game had a number of lurkers and newbies (because they invited lots of communities that play mafia very casually), this one is guaranteed to be 15 players who take mafia very very seriously...

Anyway, just thought you guys should know what's going on over there. Thank you again for the nomination. =)

oh don't worry, you're definitely not alone there. i can't stand to watch more than 5-10 seconds of any video of a person on the internet playing a video game and commenting on it. it's unbearably cringey for me. I have to close out.

Suprak the Stud posted...

Dels almost went a full day without checking the scum board in GoT1, but I don't really know how to stop that sort of thing.

Ouch. I feel embarrassed being called out on this.

I honestly don't remember why I did it, but it was the first and last time I did. It's absolutely wrong and goes against everything the game is about and I'd never do it again.

does para like necrodancer or something??????

I've got a cube and I love it. I have a finger-picking habit, so it helps me.

I don't really get the spinners, but I haven't tried one.

I looked around at the wiki a bit to see how it ended.

Maybe I'll watch season 2 someday? If season 2 is the last one that was still good.

How did they get to the final twin reveal? I'm curious, so might as well tell me.

Well, based on everything you said, I guess I probably wouldn't want to watch the rest of the series anyway. I'm behind on dozens of other shows and Pretty Little Liars, as much as I liked the first season, probably isn't something I have time for in my life anymore. Maybe I should just look up the ending, haha. Evil british twin. Wow.

Oh, too bad. I would've gotten a new one if someone had mentioned it in May.

I don't think I was "looking forward to it" but it's become kind of a tradition on this board I guess.