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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 12:24:16 PM
#168
I believe so

If he is west coast he could still be asleep....

Maybe
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 12:15:37 PM
#159
dowolf posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
The weirdest thing about Scare is his last login is all the way to 10pm pst last night.

Really, Red?

Are we really going with lol timestamps?


Wtf is wrong with you?

He isn't making an argument. He is just pointing out information. What is wrong with that?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 12:13:27 PM
#152
Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 12:10:10 PM
#148
Vengeful_KBM posted...
masterplum posted...
The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack


Okay, but this feels like he's just not even looking at the topic at all and doesn't CARE how you're responding. If he's not just straightforwardly cop, he KNOWS that presenting that scan the way he did is probably going to draw out another power claim. It's completely anti-town.


I'm not arguing with that.

But I have been burned before by Town making hilariously terrible moves which obviously could not possibly be Town.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 12:06:56 PM
#142
dowolf posted...
Vengeful_KBM posted...

What the fuck kind of scanner would drop three words' worth of information and then flee from the topic for 12 hours (even posting elsewhere in that time)?

What the fuck kind of scum would do exactly that and then flee from the topic for 12 hours?

Again. You have successfully argued that Scare's behavior is annoying and detrimental to town. That's all you've argued.

masterplum posted...
The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.


It's not completely out of the picture. Could also explain why he is slow to come back and elaborate more.

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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:37:53 AM
#125
Obellisk posted...
Crazy theory no. 1. Scare AND Plum are scum. Attempting to secure a victory by "confirming" one or the other based on action.


I would never sign off on that in a million years.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:37:09 AM
#123
Obellisk posted...
Plum hints power but won't claim. Probably because scum doesn't know what will seal their fate yet.


Or because claiming is dumb?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:34:14 AM
#120
The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.


It's not completely out of the picture. Could also explain why he is slow to come back and elaborate more.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:30:34 AM
#118
htaeD posted...
Obellisk posted...
htaeD posted...
Obellisk posted...
dowolf posted...
like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.



Two scan claims. Let's not jump to conclusions.


scare did use the word 'guilty' tho


Wrong. Scare said scum. Kbm said guilty


oh, equated the two in my memory
okay yes that does allow for more vagueness
and I worry that if scare is scum, hes gonna suddenly come in and say he was something else like a tracker

but Plum, you did say you couldnt/shouldnt have been found guilty by any scanning powers, right?


Correct.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:28:36 AM
#116
Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:27:33 AM
#112
dowolf posted...
Plum, if you were town, you would know that a 1-for-1 trade is fine and correct. You would know this would be the correct play. You wouldn't like it, but you would know it.

Instead, you belittle and demean me.


A 1 for 1 trade is fine unless, you know, you can get the 1 for 0 trade by not being stupid
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:25:47 AM
#107
htaeD posted...
I assume because you argued with him over Oddity
thats the best I can gather


I am completely at a loss for words how anyone could look at this and think he is Town
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:24:04 AM
#103
I am starting to reconsider my Dowolf read

I was under the impression Dowolf was a competent player, but he is pushing it.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 11:22:26 AM
#100
Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:28:13 AM
#79
Obellisk posted...
You lost me plum. Not seeing what you're accusing me of here.

More coffee I guess


You seem to have made a dramatic change from being against pez to against me because of this one specific point which is extremely odd.

So you are either completely out of it and think Pez and I are both scum .... somehow, or you are making a scum play and switching your view based on that one thing.

I'm not really sure what you are doing
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:26:18 AM
#78
pezloco posted...
masterplum posted...
...Town Chris said I was Town.


masterplum posted...
You got lucky. The best player in the game thought Oddity was scum. Not only were you a contrarian for no reason, you were also crusading against Town. You just don't know if yet


Relying a bit too much on Chris.


Which I have been campaigning for for years now.

Would you go to the doctor and go "nah, I know more about medicine than you?"

Then why would you do it while playing mafia?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:21:14 AM
#75
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
htaeD posted...
Assassin shot makes me think Doc is also very likely. Possibly just a bodyguard


okay I know its the most likely option for the second kill, and maybe i missed something
but it rattles me that you said 'assassin' without a second thought


Wouldn't target Chris unless it was unblockable. If scum has two shots they know some form of protection exists


Assuming chris was trusted enough after day 1 to get protection


Still wouldn't risk it.

Besides, unblockable kills are super standard to give the opurtunity prevent constant doc save loops

It was obvious enough to me I didn't even second guess it



This sounds like knowledgeable scum talking


This one
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:10:13 AM
#73
Obellisk posted...
I didn't make an assassin comment you did.


Drink coffee sbell. You're out of it
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:06:48 AM
#71
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
Mulling it over, starting to wonder if Sbell is scum who is making a play to see if he can get me lynched instead of Pez.

I think Dowolf is just being dumb though still


Lol, you are reeeeeaaaallly stretching there.


How is this a stretch? Do you not agree that if I was Town and you were scum that it would be a logical play to try that?



Are you basing it on my unvote because I thought I was already on you and don't want the day to end?


No, on your "why would he think he is assassin?" thing.

It was a weak argument, but it seemed to have made a big impact on you. I'm trying to figure out why
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:05:17 AM
#70
pezloco posted...
masterplum posted...
You were lucky. The best player in the game thought Oddity was scum. Not only were you a contrarian for no reason, you were also crusading against Town. You just don't know if yet


This is all sorts of wrong here. The Oddity lynch was based on a huge misunderstanding of what Oddity was saying. Chris was just plain wrong and apparently too arrogant to notice it.

Apparently we aren't allowed to disagree with Chris without being lucky.



Hindsight bias: Claiming souls for millennia
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 10:01:19 AM
#67
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
Mulling it over, starting to wonder if Sbell is scum who is making a play to see if he can get me lynched instead of Pez.

I think Dowolf is just being dumb though still


Lol, you are reeeeeaaaallly stretching there.


How is this a stretch? Do you not agree that if I was Town and you were scum that it would be a logical play to try that?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:57:09 AM
#63
Mulling it over, starting to wonder if Sbell is scum who is making a play to see if he can get me lynched instead of Pez.

I think Dowolf is just being dumb though still
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:54:23 AM
#62
Reg posted...
Also, an error on the Day 1 final votals has been brought to my attention. It does not impact the final result of the day. The corrected votals are as follows:

[6] Oddity - KBM, Sceptile, Death, Chris, Phoenix, (Scare), Plum
[2] Lolo - (Tombolo), (Tombolo), Scare, Dowolf
[2] Sceptile - (Oddity), Lolo, (Oddity), (Oddity), (Oddity), (Dowolf), Oddity
[1] Death - pezloco, (Oddity)
[1] Red - SBell
[1] Scare - (Chris), (Oddity), (Plum), (Dowolf), VeryInsane
[0] pezloco - (Chris), (Plum), (SBell), (Tombolo)
[0] Phoenix - (Dowolf), (Oddity)
[0] Plum - (Scare), (Dowolf)
[0] Chris - (Scare), (Oddity)
[0] Dowolf - (Sceptile), (Tombolo)
[0] VeryInsane - (Phoenix)
[0] No Lynch - (Tombolo), (pezloco)

The error was that Lolo was logged as having unvoted Sceptile, when that never actually happened.


Game over no contest
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:50:10 AM
#58
dowolf posted...
It's funny, because the metaphor doesn't work. And also because your dismissive attitude doesn't really matter in the end. You know as well as I that this dance isn't for you; it's for everyone else. I'm not particularly sure why you think debasing me is the proper course of action, but everyone else knows I was Cassandra yesterday, the voice of reason no one would listen to. I doubt they will be as dismissive today.


You do realize that you can make the correct action and still be wrong right? Playing the lottery is wasting money regardless of whether you win. Winning does not change the fact that it was a dumb thing to do.

I could roll a die and crusade against the person it landed on. If that person flips scum it doesn't make me a genius. I'm still an idiot.

You got lucky. The best player in the game thought Oddity was scum. Not only were you a contrarian for no reason, you were also crusading against Town. You just don't know if yet
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:44:05 AM
#50
Obellisk posted...
I think your son is scum plum. All children are.


Caught in a lie!
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:42:51 AM
#48
dowolf posted...
Plummy McPlummerton the Scumplum, we have:

Everything on d1.
You dismissing my viewpoints out-of-hand when I was your strongest town read.
And a scan.

This is easy.


Me: "why am I scum?"
Dowolf: "All of those scummy things! You know! The ones where you did the scum thing"


You also have made one crucial error. I think you're Town. I don't think you are right. I don't think my 4 year old son is scum, but I'm not going to listen to who he thinks is scum either.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:40:05 AM
#46
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
htaeD posted...
Assassin shot makes me think Doc is also very likely. Possibly just a bodyguard


okay I know its the most likely option for the second kill, and maybe i missed something
but it rattles me that you said 'assassin' without a second thought


Wouldn't target Chris unless it was unblockable. If scum has two shots they know some form of protection exists


Assuming chris was trusted enough after day 1 to get protection


Still wouldn't risk it.

Besides, unblockable kills are super standard to give the opurtunity prevent constant doc save loops

It was obvious enough to me I didn't even second guess it



This sounds like knowledgeable scum talking
I

I don't remember the last game I was in where the extra kill wasn't an assassin shot. I don't think this is a stretch
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:37:49 AM
#43
Let's start here

Suppose the scan doesn't exist

Why do you think I'm scum
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:36:17 AM
#40
I feel like Dowolfs post was the inception of bad posts. I'm finding a new logical flaw every time I read it
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:34:07 AM
#38
dowolf posted...
Stop being bad. We have had no miller counterclaim. We are lynching Plum first.

Furthermore, stop interacting with Plum and expecting anything meaningful to come out of it.


Lol what
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:20:40 AM
#34
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
htaeD posted...
Assassin shot makes me think Doc is also very likely. Possibly just a bodyguard


okay I know its the most likely option for the second kill, and maybe i missed something
but it rattles me that you said 'assassin' without a second thought


Wouldn't target Chris unless it was unblockable. If scum has two shots they know some form of protection exists


Assuming chris was trusted enough after day 1 to get protection


Still wouldn't risk it.

Besides, unblockable kills are super standard to give the opurtunity prevent constant doc save loops

It was obvious enough to me I didn't even second guess it
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:16:37 AM
#31
htaeD posted...
Assassin shot makes me think Doc is also very likely. Possibly just a bodyguard


okay I know its the most likely option for the second kill, and maybe i missed something
but it rattles me that you said 'assassin' without a second thought


Wouldn't target Chris unless it was unblockable. If scum has two shots they know some form of protection exists
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:14:59 AM
#30
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
VeryInsane posted...
There's almost zero reason to think KBM is lying, pez claiming Miller basically verifies the scan and sanity and her reactions feel consistent. I don't buy the miller claim.

I just want to see Scare come back first to figure out that part out.


You know, I almost don't want to figure that out. Why should we?

We can deal with that tomorrow


Says the guy that just hypothesized that we are at lylo.



What?


11 - 3 = 8.

8 / 4

Aren't we at Lylo

Mislynching puts us at 6/4. Even a missed vig shot is 5/4

That's not even close
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:11:49 AM
#27
Obellisk posted...
masterplum posted...
VeryInsane posted...
There's almost zero reason to think KBM is lying, pez claiming Miller basically verifies the scan and sanity and her reactions feel consistent. I don't buy the miller claim.

I just want to see Scare come back first to figure out that part out.


You know, I almost don't want to figure that out. Why should we?

We can deal with that tomorrow


Says the guy that just hypothesized that we are at lylo.



What?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:10:31 AM
#25
VeryInsane posted...
Are you trying to say you don't want Scare to come back?


Oh he can come back,

I'm just starting to waver on whether I want him to reveal more today.

I dont think anything he says would change today's lynch
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 9:01:56 AM
#23
VeryInsane posted...
There's almost zero reason to think KBM is lying, pez claiming Miller basically verifies the scan and sanity and her reactions feel consistent. I don't buy the miller claim.

I just want to see Scare come back first to figure out that part out.


You know, I almost don't want to figure that out. Why should we?

We can deal with that tomorrow
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 8:57:54 AM
#21
Obellisk posted...
Plum. Thoughts on the setup? You've hosted your fair share .

11 / 4?

So how many powers on town then?

Just want to hear your thoughts since you are claiming power essentislly.


I'm definitely not claiming power (but I might be!)

11/4 seems right. It looks like scum had an assassin shot so seeing a bunch of Town power doesn't surprise me


Town has

JK
Cop

Assassin shot makes me think Doc is also very likely. Possibly just a bodyguard

Doc/bodyguard

Probably one more scanning power. Jack maybe?


Cop
Doc/BG
JK
Jack

7 Nillas

4 Scum

That's pretty normal setup. The hard/fun part is you can take this as a base case and then start twisting knobs on both sides. If scum has a roleblocker then I could see Town having another power. Add in a mafia scanner and I would give Town another limited use power


At least I think we see 5 Town Nillas. If that is the case I see room for 2 more Town mild/risky powers. If I was making the game they would be extremely difficult to use roles that were directly tied to flavor. Something like Angel from Bible mafia.

More likely in this case I wouldn't be surprised to see something like a BP to round it out
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 7:45:45 AM
#17
Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 7:31:29 AM
#15
Oh full disclosure.

There is nothing about my role or potential actions that would a Town scare who is a scanner but not a cop to mistakenly think I am scum.
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners
masterplum
07/22/17 7:22:39 AM
#14
Well that was an interesting thing to wake up to

I would vote scare here, but peeerrrrhapppsss he could be some form of insane scanner (which is the only way I see him as Town claiming this)

I think that is more likely then a scum KBM faking a scan for no reason to save Town. There is a zero percent chance that happens.

So I'm good with pezloco first and I want to hear Scares flavor. The thing that bothers me is that faking a scan D2 seems rash and suicidal. Maybe scare thought he was a dead man walking and wanted to jump out ahead of it?


Occulams razor is that scare is scum, but I think the odds of scare being scum are still lower than pez. I don't buy the Miller claim in the slightest
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 10:05:37 PM
#384
dowolf posted...
man.

you people didn't listen to me yesterday.

it ended badly.

You really gonna not listen to me today, either?


You meandered around and voted for me even when Town Chris said I was Town.

Are you surprised people are skeptical of your opinions?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 10:04:43 PM
#383
I thought the link would be first post. Where is the archive again?
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 10:03:54 PM
#381
I need to check the archive to refresh on why I thought pez was scum initially
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 10:02:34 PM
#380
VeryInsane posted...
...You'd say I would be killed N1? When I haven't really gotten going at all?


You kill N1 on player quality before your kills are forced by power
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 10:00:38 PM
#378
People I would absolutely have killed over Tom

Red
Death
Me
VI

The list is shorter than I thought, but I suppose there were only 13 players alive. That's still a super long list comparatively. Additionally those are only those that I 100% would have killed over Tom. Others (KBM,Sbell) I could have been talked into depending on how they were voting

Everyone thinks Tom is town doesn't cut it here. I never in a million years would have signed off on that kill.

Which makes me think 2 things

1. Pezloco is likely scum and was afraid of roommate powers
2. Several of Death/Red/VI are scum

##Vote:Pez

Total kill meta, but i can't see a non-pez team signing off on that kill N1. It just doesn't make sense
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 9:50:33 PM
#373
I am still puzzling over the Tom kill

Makes me think both Pez is scum and death and Red are scum

Such an odd kill
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/21/17 9:43:41 PM
#371
Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/20/17 8:58:49 PM
#333
OH SHOOT I WENT ALL DAY 1 WITH NO LISTS

MEGA TOWN
Dowolf

THINK HE HIS SCUM NO ,ATTER WHAT YOU GUYS THINK
Tom

PROBABLY SCUM
Scare

TOTALLY COULD STILL BE SCUM EVEN IF ODDITY IS SCUM NEVER NOT LYNCH HIM FINAL 3
Chris


No order to this list whatsoever
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/20/17 8:55:57 PM
#316
Obellisk posted...
I'm in my phone, let's not go there plum


THE PEOPHECY IS FULFILLED
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Topic~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win
masterplum
07/20/17 8:55:25 PM
#314
DoomTheGyarados posted...
No Plum, stop, sarcasm is hard to tell in text!


I always forget this!
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