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Cly - c'mon man, with this i've now said THREE TIMES that i'd rather respect Tony's wishes here.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

google and people working at google did not get doxed yesterday, no. that didn't happen. some things got leaked but nobody got doxed.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

(also seriously, tony did say he didn't really want this topic to become about that. that's an easy point to end on.)
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

it'd definitely be bloody, but not really for our side as much as theirs.
also bear in mind that anything SK does, Japan likely follows or does it with them. it wouldn't be a war on one front very long, it'd be everyone kicking their shit in.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

Eron never said Grayson gave her a positive review, ever. he didn't "later retract it" like Jakyl says, he just literally never said it.

Jakyl - did you not read the page that's from? it's from the "About" page, which didn't exist until... i want to say mid September? didn't happen in August though. and if you had checked, you'd have noticed that he links to a tumblr post when he says "give good reviews to their friends." and it's literally about Zoe's friend, not her, with presumably a different journo.

you're just factually wrong on this one. he never said it and you're pointing to something you didn't bother checking.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

it's alright though, he embraces the mockery. he's the /v/ admin on 8chan, he's quite used to it.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

https://twitter.com/SEGAbits/status/895818624337813505

i almost feel bad for him.
but mocking him is funnier.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

oh wait, is that where you got that impression, that i legit thought he's innocent? that was completely in jest, the flowchart is so bad that i pretty much want to dismiss everything on it.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

that's not how i expected this to end. no problems here, glad it's cleared up.

you can see after drak comments on it that i just expand on that same idea and go further when Tony does too. basically it seems clear that he most likely did something wrong but we don't know what. there's a few things you can infer but you still can't state "this is what he did" definitively. we're assuming wrongdoing based on his resignation but we still don't have any evidence of it and probably won't. his resignation's in pretty PR talk so he's likely talking down what he did though the people who could correct him aren't because... i don't know, even some evidence with any identifiable evidence removed could work. instead they'll make bizarre flowcharts.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

what? how do you get me saying he's innocent, my first post here is saying that he's likely admitting he's guilty when he talks about positions of power. i think he's saying that he crossed the line between journalist and dev - that's guilt. that's the first assumption i made.

you seem to be confusing whether someone has malicious intent or not with guilt. they are not the same. there's a very plausible scenario where he did not actively behave maliciously but he still did wrong, basically he did a bad thing and should be fired for it but he's not complete trash. at no point have i said he's innocent. not in this topic, not the last.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

Jakyl25 posted...

I mean the maliciously false accusation by her ex that she slept with a journalist who then gave her game a positive review,

he never said this.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

MenuWars posted...

The lack of full, public information is the only real difference, but as I've said I can't envision a world in which the guy just takes a public beatdown and loses his job and doesn't fight at all. If these allegations are merely spurious.

no, the lack of a direct accuser is a big difference.
a direct accuser will tell you "this person did A, B, and C to me."
and then they usually come with some evidence of it.

there's a specific person, specific claims, and evidence. that's three key things. even if the person wishes to stay anonymous that can still be okay (for the audience anyway), you still get a direct accuser and the rest can be provided.

we don't have any of those three.

you seemed to imply that i was defending him.
where?
i've spectulated about him and i'm perfectly fine believing that he crossed that line and should be fired, sure. but i'm not calling him bottom feeding scum. that's a defense?


(was going to comment on the Quinn stuff you said as some of that is factually wrong but for Tony's sake i'll drop that.)
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

you mean the accusations of Quinn that were by her ex, the direct person who she harmed, and included screencaps and archives of his abuse? or do you mean the main relationship of the five guys stated - a journo - was proven right? and then he was hit pretty damn hard by people for it.

or do you mean the accusations of Quinn that were by TFYC, who also was the direct person/group she harmed, and also provided caps, archives, and hell, her twitter feed to explain the situation there?


direct accusers with ample evidence and specific statements VS. third party accusations with no evidence of wrongdoing.

you're calling that the same?
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

he's not really being "defended," there's just almost nothing to work with so he's not being damned to hell and considered the worst thing in the world. you think anybody associated with GG wants to defend a Polygon writer? seriously, we've a running list of "male feminst allies" being anything but, it's kind of win/win from that perspective since either he joins the list or Polygon gets to be made fun of. somehow it's kind of both, kind of neither. with no evidence of any wrongdoing, you can't really spring up with the sort of worst-in-the-world scorn he was getting and with his resignation letter there he's probably downplaying what actually happened. the most we've seen is him badly hitting on a girl when he was an e-celeb (pre-Polygon) and him sending a picture that, if tilted 90 degrees, says "send nudes" to... i think she was a cosplayer? don't know where in his career that was. that's seriously all the evidence we've got. everything else has been third party accusations.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

...you got two rainbows and a gold in 18 tickets.
you don't really get to complain in that.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

oh was this mark's livestream?

he got mocked by the official Sonic PR for dying 12 times in the stream's chat.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

don't forget about your EX tickets too if you bought that bundle.

my 4* guarantee got me a second 9S.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

...we don't know if he was doing anything with a game dev, that's never been confirmed and likely won't be. that situation's one that i'm coming up with, same with the rest of my posts. there's just no way to know how accurate i am.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

did you seriously just two 2B.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

server errors are the main thing to watch out for.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

...ow.
at least you got 4 9S?
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

found two more tickets i haven't claimed yet.

third Victoria.
'k, i think i'm tapped.

at least that's a lot of free TMRs, including 9S. but no rainbows.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

10+1 ticket:

another one of the mage girl from the Veritas banner. can't really complain much, that TMR is the best robe for mages.

ticket pulls, got two 21O and a couple repeat units. including another Snow.

and finally, 5k lapis pull...
gets me Eve.
okay then.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

4* guarantee ticket used.
9S get.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

DAILY IS...

...
Timothy.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

i'm in.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

an attempt of a flowchart of every single accusation of anything, previous "crimes," and reactions.

in the style of a six year old's scribbles.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

....but now this thing.
this just makes me want to say he's just innocent.

https://padlet.com/watney/w7d4bchyeb3s

yikes.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

okay good, data retrieval error wasn't just me.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Wanglicious posted...

but if you're an indie dev and he's not talking to you that much but he did talk to someone you know that sent nudes and flirted with him, your inference is sex for coverage.

...What

okay, gonna lay out the example. bear in mind, the only thing we know is that "what I always thought of as "flirting" can quickly become something more insidious when one of those people is in a position of power."

the only position like this that makes sense is journo/guy at Polygon vs. indie dev. so here's what i'm seeing:

Dev A talks to Journo.
Dev A and Journo talk a lot at first. interest doesn't last very long but certain subjects get more conversation, particularly sexual ones. nudes are gotten.

Dev B talks to Journo.
Dev B and Journo talk a lot at first. interest doesn't last very long and there aren't many subjects that get conversation.

Dev A, having talked to Journo a lot, gets decent coverage at some point and they're close.
Dev B is not close to Journo a lot, is not covered as much if at all, and they aren't close.


Dev B may infer that boobs = coverage.


this inference may be wrong, assuming malice there is a bit much. it's entirely possible that he was busy or that he was talking to an unrelated person in DMs, possibly a different sexual contact even. it doesn't actually matter what the alternative was - he just wasn't paying attention to her. so they assume sex for coverage is the game.

that'd explain the accusations and his confusion/not seeing where he was at fault. basically he's not an asshole, just stupid.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

well yeah.
but if you're an indie dev and he's not talking to you that much but he did talk to someone you know that sent nudes and flirted with him, your inference is sex for coverage. which again, probably isn't malicious but bad time management and not understanding his professional responsibilities.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

...although looking at the Polygon contract Broteam just posted, it doesn't look like Nick's walking away from much!

https://imgur.com/a/avERH
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

he's so smug and carefree.
it's perfect.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

staying up.
i'm writing something anyway, might as well.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

yeah, i buy that. there's some inferred stuff there and if he's forgetting about his position like he says he does, the two click perfect. and obviously if that's going on then he shouldn't be a journo, that's clear. not on par of being the worst in the world but not the job he should be doing.

it'd also explain his "misunderstandings" as he calls them, though obviously there's no way to know. you could see such interactions as actively malicious ("fuck her, she didn't send me boobs") but i wouldn't attribute that. i'd assume a more negligent version of that, where he just doesn't pay as much attention if there's no flirting/sexual stuff. that'd make a lot of sense if he's hitting on multiples as his attention would be somewhere else (e.g., another twitter DM with boobs). the unintended implication the other side gets is no boobs, no attention, explaining some of that side's accusations. that doesn't seem too far and would explain his confusion, assuming he's telling the truth. it's a neat place in the middle.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

position of power could technically be a reference to him being a journo. if he was hitting on an indie dev you would have a clear example - he'd be one of the people who could control the freeflow of information at the 4th biggest gaming publication.

but there's no way to know.
does this kill the Vox investigation too? if so then okay, we're pretty much left with nothing except "send nudes" and flirting unless we get something first hand. still a good enough reason to ditch Polygon considering how much purity matters there but not something that'd ruin him completely.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

furry*
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

yeah, Nichol is the next arc or two's focus and his is by far the best one from a story point of view.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

not invented to do that, just that it's what their main function is or that they're ideologically firmly in the same place the anti-trump people are.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

that and they were THE unit group who were against Trump's travel ban and got a lot of donations from that work too.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

it's not a surprise if you know their work. a lot of people don't and just think of them as a strong anti-trump arm so they're surprised to see that's not really what they are at all.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

oh man.
ACLU's picked a doozy of a fourth case.

long story short, they're suing the DC Metro over their not putting up 4 ads. well, 3. the last one they put up then took down later for the same reason as the others.

that's also the case causing a lot of people to understand that the ACLU truly does value free speech and they don't.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-sues-dc-metro-over-rejection-first-amendment-ad

it's Milo.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

two interviews down.
guy's clearly out of his league when it comes to talking, he's a bit awkward in speech. not really surprising though and it does help making him more sympathetic/harder to look like a bad guy. better vid of his is with Peterson, you can hear Molyneux's trying to "recruit" him, for lack of a better term. dude's clearly too excited.


with Jordan Peterson (much better of the two, gets into the material, and has sources for claims)


with Stefan Moleneux

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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

yeaaah i'm saving that 400 lapis. no thanks.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

alright, then the card game idea makes sense for money.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

are there even enough waifus in DOTA.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

i see it in search but site doesn't load. i assume too much traffic. archive here.

https://archive.is/VlNfl
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

don't know or understand why we've got half AP but i'm gonna love this thing. maybe it's running with the event?
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.

how is it implied? he literally just says IQ and sex differences, that's just IQ of men vs. IQ of women.
that's an actual point of research actively being studied which he's directly referencing. men appear the most on the extreme ends, meaning the largest number of people with both high IQs and low IQs are men. meaning that if you're looking for a group of the smartest people, it'll end up being mostly men. similarly, if you're looking for a group of the dumbest people, it'll also end up being mostly men.

that would've been good to source but he didn't. but race ain't something he's referencing there. it's likely another thing he picked up from Peterson's lectures.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.