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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

The balance changes they're making to cards in Alchemy also affect the cards in Historic. The format is already hard to get into because any viable deck is very heavy on wild cards with little ability to get the cards some other way, and now you also run the risk of them nerfing the key rare card you had to craft 4 of a week later, making all the wild cards you spent worthless.

For Standard you can opt out by just playing Standard instead of Alchemy, but if you're a fan of Historic you're stuck with having to deal with this.

I don't think it's going to kill the format or anything even for people who are extremely opposed to the idea of nerfs, etc, but I'd certainly rather they had made like a Historic Alchemy format or something.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

I mean the reason I play Magic is because it has an active competitive community behind it, so things that undermine the strength of that community do in fact hurt me.

I'm not completely certain the introduction of Alchemy will lead to the things I said, but it is a fact that if those things do happen they will hurt me and others who feel similarly to me.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

Honestly there is basically no way I see this going well. Alchemy is just going to be Standard with different problems, not Standard without problems. And in the meantime this is going to lead to lots of confusion, create a probably significant divide in the community, and make Historic even more of a wildcard scam than it already was.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

I honestly don't think this set is any different than any others as far as bombs go, which is to say that I agree with you on this set but think that Limited in general is trash from a competitive standpoint and that all Draft formats are obnoxiously bomb-heavy >.>

Like to me Limited is the equivalent of items-on Super Smash Bros.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

I currently have a draft deck that can cast Ghastly Mimicry on Avabruck Caretaker and that just seems like a totally normal and fair thing to be doing in limited honestly.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

Well I mean "dies to removal" is absolutely a weakness Hullbreaker Horror has which Epiphany doesn't. I don't currently think it's enough of a weakness to merit not running Horror, but it is definitely a thing that matters.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

banananor posted...

With a 7 mana hullbreaker, if your opponent has removal your win con fizzles

Yeah this is true. When I originally said that I was thinking of a control mirror, since I didn't think Horror would beat Epiphany in a direct matchup during spoiler season (it does seem to). The Horror can be hit with like Power Word Kill, etc, though you can also protect it by waiting until turn 8 and playing it with any 1 mana instant up.

I do think this is sort of what the meta needs though--something that can tackle Epiphany head-to-head which is also at least in theory easier than the rest of the field to interact with.

If they untap with the Horror in play though there's a good chance you aren't getting to play the game at all anymore though unless it's literally the only card in their hand or you already have an overwhelming board state where they can't bounce everything.

Edit: All this said, if I play in an event this weekend I'm still probably going to take mono-white, for the record.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

I've been trying Seth Manfield's Hullbreaker Horror deck and this is so much more rude of a card than I thought it would be from looking at it. Think I'm on the bandwagon now of this being the better wincon than Galvanic Iteration+Epiphany
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.

I like Vow draft so far, but not as much as Midnight Hunt. Admittedly though Midnight Hunt was close to my favorite draft format since I started playing, though that only extends as far back as like M21 or something.

I think mono white and Epiphany are the 2 best decks in Standard right now. You can easily play other things however which mostly have bad Epiphany matchups but can compete with everything else. Various black midrange/control builds leaning on the Treasure early game and Blood on the Snow are decent; there's a few control builds that try to finish with Hullbreaker Horror instead of Alrund's; and there's various ramp shells that work to (G/W, G/U/B, G/U, G/W/U, etc). Mono-black aggro is also a really fun looking deck, and Rakdos Vampires also seems like it might be ok.
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I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.