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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ulti's trying to argue that, since I wasn't killed night 1, I'm likely Scum.

It's really weak logic, but I buy the claim

ohhhhh i see. i misunderstood what he was trying to say there

UltimaterializerX posted...

-I asked Han about his self analysis because I bodyguarded him last night. Action successful. I should be dead right now if Han is town (he is far and away the best town player in the game), but I'm not. I'm not dead, I wasn't poisoned, nothing. During the ward discussion, I brought Han up because I was hoping someone saw someone else visiting him besides me. Sadly, I think I'm stuck with a good old Rule 1 analysis. A scum team would be petrified of the dude, and we already have factual confirmation Rosh is.

I feel like this didn't get the discussion it merited because Ulti's interpretation suggests a 3rd killing action on N1.I'm thinking it might be a misinterpretation or something though? Ulti believes action successful means he bodyguarded someone who was attacked. But couldn't "action successful" just mean like, he wasn't roleblocked? (and Han wasn't attacked at all)

Lopen posted...

I think I'm the more logical target by far as someone who was also talking about roshan a lot. Third party needs mislynch targets to win and corrik set himself up well for it.

probably expected scum to kill you tbh

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You can buy the shovel during day

oh yeah, somehow i forgot to consider that. everything else still stands though

Isquen posted...

Trusty Shovel - 100 gold - Fancy yourself a bit macabre? Try this reusable tool! With this item, you may use a night action to visit a lynched dead player and attempt to claim an item they had. There are no guarantees you will be successful, however, and you may not perform any other night actions if you do this.

also this item seems awfully bad. N2 you buy shovel, N3 you use shovel. if the item you got can only be used at night that's your N4 action so you can't even use the shovel again until N5. And there's no guarantee you even get the item from the dead player in the first place! Even if you combo it with the mango you're still getting capped by 1 per phase action limits on all the items. Sounds terrible.

also it does actually make sense that if Roshan has a targetable kill he would use it on Corrik, the person who was obsessively talking about Roshan all day

PoppyTheNinja posted...

i get that you want to believe he doesn't fail to hint at his target but it's entirely possible he planned to visit me and then changed his mind when sultan actually flipped mafia (considering he was defending him for awful reasons) and chose a different target

there are players this would apply to, but Corrik isn't one of them. He'd stay home before he would risk visiting a player he didn't hint at or believe they were Roshan.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

i think we're probably doing well so if i have to die at some point to clear out suspects though, that's fine. i'm pretty sure my role is completely useless now so it's not like me dying is the worst thing.

see now this is interesting when you compare it with this:

PoppyTheNinja posted...

like jesus christ i was fairly accepted town for obvious reasons but lopen pulls some conspiracy theory crap about corrik visiting me and suddenly there is all this completely illogical nonsense beig thrown my way. if this is the usual standard of reasoning found here...

PoppyTheNinja posted...

DUDE

CORRIK WAS VIGGED

HE DIDNT DIE FROM VISITING ME

(nice caps lock filter)

PoppyTheNinja posted...

I don't really want to spend my time beating back these arguments but I feel like I've made a pretty good case for why HB is mafia and this stuff about me is just people wanting to fijnd a "clever" answer rather than look at what's most likely, but I will try to dig up the posts from sultan toward me because I think if yo actually look at it rationally he did not speak to me like I was his partner

Poppy switches up from feeling it doesn't really matter if he has to die to solve the game because his role is "completely useless" to feeling outraged that he would die for...the exact same reason? I'd like to ask what prompted this switch of emotion. Also the "if this is the usual standard of reasoning around here" is kind of a cheap taunt.

BUT i will say i think the outrage feels more authentic than fake. and certainly this pet vig theory (see below) was a spur of the moment thought. It doesn't mean that scum can't have a spur of the moment "hey this sounds plausible and might save me" thought but i think it probably comes from town more often than it comes from scum. still in the process of thinking things over but i'm not far from moving off of poppy and onto someone else.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

there's a nightkill immune mafia which means there's a non-mafia kill to protect against

a bunch of people were dumping on corrik yesterday for doing nothing at the deadline and he was defending sultan for bad reasons

he probably was shot by the vig and that's why he died, i think it's possible he visited me now

sorry this post took forever to write i got completely lost looking for the quotes I wanted from Poppy after searching for a post I either made up or misremembered that wasn't there

Sorry guys, real life got in the way yesterday. Today I should be 'around' for the majority of the day, except maybe the last hour-ish before the deadline.

Some thoughts coming shortly.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

No Bleach news, pretty safe to say the delaycast is real.

One Piece

Random flashback to a couple chapters ago at the beginning feels out of place and I honest to God am sticking to my guns that it's just a make good due to the backlash to justify it, and that the whole situation is still editorial meddling

Rest of the chapter was wikd, though.

agreed assuming that you're talking about Yamato only and not Marco. I liked the Marco stuff and I think it worked just fine as a flashback just to finally allow Luffy to say thank you

all aboard the Lopen train. Choo Choo

##Vote: Poppy

oh yeah, Red is actually becoming a problem for me, even. Odds he's worried about not playing scum well anymore and is posting even less because of it?

And Poppy did say if there's a cop, scan me....

Lopen posted...

What I'm saying Corrik wanted to townclear players with his role. That is literally the only way he uses his ability night 1 on a target that isn't someone who he has confirmed Roshan with his day action. I know some people think Corrik is not smart about this kind of stuff but he absolutely is. Too smart for his own good at times, even.

But thing is if he DIES from it, he has to make it obvious who he targeted to town once we see his role flip, because he can't tell us who it is from the grave.

I am in complete agreement with this. I am certain Corrik would use that ability as a cop scan before anything else (other than on a confirmed Roshan)

Kirby321 posted...

Sir, you asked me to claim my shard upgrade and didn't even say anything about it.

This suspicion on Death also came out of nowhere

That's mighty sus

##Vote: changmas

just ISO me from like 6 hours before the deadline day 1 and all of day 2 and you'll clearly find that isn't the case

Lopen if you had to estimate percentages of the following scenarios what would it be. or if you really think there's a high chance he's roshan you can change scum to "non-town".

it's mainly the mid two i'm interested in bc i'd much rather lynch death first

kirby death both scum
kirby scum death town
kirby town death scum
kirby death both town

Kirby321 posted...

Out of curiosity, what does Mn Mayonnaise do in Dota 2? Is it as useless in the game as it is here?

i have no clue. maybe it's a newer item or something but i've never heard of it. probably wasn't in the game when i played

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I thought the healing salve was stopped by a night kill, when it just says damage.

i dunno how much of that is mafia mechanics vs. literal Dota 2 in game item functionality. because that's what happens in the actual game. if you take any damage the item gets cancelled

we might as well ask kirby to reveal (in his own words) what his shard upgrade does if he doesn't think it's useful, as has already spent enough gold that it's unlikely he'll ever purchase it.

also corrik is no longer alive and can't hurt you with questions about minutiae anymore

Obellisk posted...

Got off on a tangent with the mixing items thing.

Now he doesn't have 200g, can't buy a heal for town and if he's just going to buy it the next day anyway when he gets up to over 200 again what really was the point?

He's already highly suspected by a few based on the miller fiasco. Why do something like buy the mayo..

my guess is to prepare himself for this exact scenario, to prove he went to the shop by buying the cheapest item and sending it to someone. Therefore proving at the very least he didnt send in the kill. Although he certainly wouldnt have done that

ctesjbuvf posted...

So you used your night action saying you would visit the shop and not buy anything? How would you have guessed that was useful?

sure did. it was objectively the most useful night action i could have taken N1

Obellisk posted...

Ulti... items in Dota have different effects for different characters?

Only Aghanim's items do. They upgrade a hero-specific ability. All other items are exactly the same for all players

and I can subsequently confirm that you can visit the shop without buying anything and learn the nature of your Aghanim's Shard upgrade, which is what I did, and why I asked that question. Probably worth doing, especially if you have no interest in any of the other shop items at the moment / have a phase without a useful action to perform.

isquen did give the all clear.

Lopen posted...

Why would you use it on Kirby

this and also

htaeD posted...

Its the 2nd part that I find interesting.

i don't really find it that interesting. who (or what role) did you expect to visit him?

he just admitted he went to the secret shop though and bought mayonnaise.

in fact all he has to do to confirm this is send the mayonnaise to someone else.

It seems pointless for you to be so cagey about this when we already know you used it.

Kirby and Ulti, I have a question.

did anything about the shop inventory change when you visited?

Zelda

Kirby321 posted...

Oh. That makes sense. I thought Ben was trying to say I was the Hammerer, being the last vote and all.

That's actually kind of crazy that somebody managed to hammer the vote, given that my vote was four seconds shy of the deadline.

That means the vote had to have been given in advance, by the day action deadline, right? So whoever the anonymous hammerer was must be on our side, since I don't think Sultan was really on the table at the day action deadline, meaning Mafia wouldn't have known at the time that their roleblocker was gonna die. So the double-voter must be town-affiliated. That's good to know

likely they sent in action before hand, or it was an auto-hammer. flavorwise my guess would be axe ult, culling blade ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpwSnXthrxk / https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Axe ) so this person would be stacking buffs every time they hammer successfully.

but i guess it could be an item too

On mobile rn so cant really quote properly. But Kirby Im quite confident that someone has a literal anonymous Hammer ability. The votals literally list Hammerer at the end of sultans name. Someone did it secretly.

I also had it in my head that Han could not vote at all on Day 1, so if you could point out where he was able to vote that would be helpful.

agree with the general case against HB but Ill let him at least show up and speak for himself before i vote for him. Still not feeling good about Death either.

also i dont agree with sbell townclearing poppy at all off of sultan.

not sure about Ctes, i dont recall his interactions with sultan at all. Ill have to reread that later.

guys chill were not supposed to talk about that until isquen gives the all clear

Do you actually

htaeD posted...

Okay I stayed up to see what would happen and also to apologize for practically falling asleep near the end of the last day there. I followed the final bit from my phone on bed but thats about it.

Not gonna rule out HB being scum outright, but Ulti made a good case for him and I am glad he did since it led to Sultans death.
And I dont see Ulti sacrificing a scumRB if it was on their team either. So I will also apologize for not giving him that free cash with Kirby's item
At least he got rewarded via the lynch.

Also really liking Lopen after that.
I am surprised scum killed Corrik over Ulti (or Lopen).

but wouldnt this decision be made after you saw the flip? Isnt it a night action?

anyway Im about to go workout and will be back on later but yes i am still feeling good about lopen this game.

and feeling pretty concerned about death.

lmfao that is a hilarious role for corrik to get.

Colts

hit C6 Fischl today, Keqing Aggravate comp is all ready for artifacts to be farmed

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What are the chances that Poppy got Scum on his first game and since he has experience, he's been pulling us all for fools?

i've been throwing this out there!

nvm apparently the discussion started while i was typing

also i think this should be more a discussion for tomorrow but i think red is a little worrisome this game in a way he usually isn't to me. i've never seen a scum game from him before but i know he's felt a bit apprehensive about playing scum again (or forgetting how to play scum? - something along those lines although I know I don't have the wording exactly right and he's going to slam me for that) which might be playing itself out in him being even less present on day 1 than usual. something i'll definitely be keeping an eye out on

i think I'm going with

##Vote: Sultan

willing to let what I still believe to be town Lopen take his shothere

who are you comfortable lynching, Death?

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i'm manifesting a scum role for next game. since i posted the town flowchart last game, my alignment has been locked in stone since then.

UltimaterializerX posted...

"i'm very much in the town camp for ulti and probably for ctes too, although there's a case to be made that i can't read ctes at all after thinking he was scum last game!"

Changmas is the most obvious town that ever town'd.

i still feel pretty confident about you in the town camp too. how do you feel about sultan?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Why not? There was like over half an hour before she voted Kirby and claimed miller a bit after that. She said herself before claiming that it was wifom, A question like yours is exactly why she/scum could've thought it was a good move.

extremely confident that comment referred to my anti-flowchart and had nothing to do with kirby miller claim

also unlike many i'm still fairly confident that Ulti is town at the moment, but he needs to come back before the deadline and solidify himself somewhere

i think a vote for lea today is a wasted vote.

i actually kinda liked what hb had to say when he came back in, although i'd like to see a little more from him still. starting to lean sultan on a vote i think tbh

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


thank you lea. interesting to see kirby buddy up death here when I'd hazard a guess that few others feel so confident about death. certainly i don't feel confident at all that he's town. if anything, he seems to be delicately dancing about without committing to much of anything, but perhaps i've simply overlooked stronger contributions from him.

definitely something to keep an eye on moving forward, and certainly if he won't commit to a vote later today

maybe i missed this when it happened but why exactly did kirby pick death to give the item to?

specifically why death over any other player