Lurker > ctesjbuvf

We can mass claim.

But already then you're working under some assumption that it's an extra vote that you just can't place the same place as you've already voted.

changmas posted...

I really think you should claim regardless to solve hammerer

Why is that? Why is that what we wanna solve here?

That is not the case.

Kirby321 posted...

I'm guessing you're not willing to expand on those reasons?

I have no clue what the remaining scum roles are, but their roleblocker is dead, and their Role Thief got one last scan in last night.

If Ulti is telling the truth, we need him to defend our power roles. Scum potentially scanned a useful power role last night, and that person might end up dead tonight. At the very least, if there are any scanners left in this game, I really hope you hinted at your scans beforehand.

(And I also want an excuse to give somebody my mango because I sure as hell can't use it effectively even with my shard upgrade >_>)

It'll make sense at some point.

Can you remind me what your upgraded role did?

changmas posted...

Ctes were you observing Star Wars + Pokemon Mafia? I can't recall.

If so, Mzero bussed scum teammate Isquen from Day 1 in that game. Any reason he couldn't do the same here, or that he's more "spot on" this game than he was there?

Yes, and I was even in it. It was Kirby and I that were in the final three with Chris. I replaced in on day 8 with MZero as the only remaining scum at that time and when I (and maybe others) concluded it had to be him, he kinda just gave up halfway through a push on another person.

MZero feels more town to me this game, I'll possibly have to reconsider, and there's a reason he was at the bottom of that list, but feels town.

Kirby321 posted...

Are you pretending to be a one-track-minded townie just to hide the fact that you're hammering people for your own benefit?

I will say that while I am a bit surprised no one has considered I could have other reason than a confident read, hammerer is a bit out of the blue.

changmas posted...

how are you townclearing sbell and mzero btw? if you wouldn't mind explaining

Think I already did, but sure.

It's not clears, but they both seem town to me. SBell is the only person here I have played with as both town and scum personally and it seems more like his town game to me. MZero has been too spot on this game for someone who's recently been PoE lynched as final scum several times.

Yeah sure, it's red and/or me because scum never vote for each other, in particular not when there's likely extra gold for doing it.

changmas posted...

ctes you are too concerned about your initial reads being right. if you're wrong, you re-evaluate your reads and move on. no big deal.

This reads like you're knowing it's incorrect reads and not me being scum to me.

Besides, I'm basically never all that confident in early reads and I'm even starting to lose it on this one exception, I'm just finding it a bit ridiculous.

I will say I really don't see the scum agenda from Kirby here or even 3rd party and it's pissing me off a bit.

I'm not sure how I expected this conversation to go, but this definitely wasn't it lol.

Eh, I don't know, even if they knew, if Hb had stolen that, it might just have been a desperate attempt to cause confusion and perhaps avoid the lynch.

Kirby321 posted...

And yet you're totally okay with outing Red as a possible Hammerer?

Look, if you aren't gonna claim today, you shouldn't have said that you confirmed that I visited the shop N1. That can only imply one thing.

Frankly, if you're telling the truth, and I correctly predicted your target, then your scans today will be valuable for proving who is town and also proving that I'm not lying about my ability.

Hammerer doesn't scream useful town to me. It's not the same thing.

We were not told that you visited the shop day 1. This is also in line with everything from Death. You gave me a mayo day 2. Technically, you could've started with the mayo or I could've gotten it from someone else I guess, but it was all confirmation enough for me.

It sounded like it wouldn't work if Hb was lynched specifically.

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Kirby321 posted...

Then again, Ulti didn't use the Health Salve to rescue Hb from death, so I guess that's a point in his favor.

He couldn't do that anyways.

And there might be other roles mentioning damage and healing. It's all very confusing.

Also, I'll be honest, I have no idea.

Kirby321 posted...

I want to make sure you aren't lying. That's it.

Sure, but you could've just not said it before an eventual claim from me then. Giving that information before the claim if I'm town benefits scum more and if I'm scum benefits scum more.

Ulti seemed to think SBell is cop and that Han not being shot at made him look more scum.

But I'm not gonna go after uncountered protection and it's a tough claim to win this if fake so I'll not focus on Ulti today.

Obellisk posted...

There is no way that scum is only 3.

100% agree so we conclude bussing happened to some extent but without the lynch candidates.

Bussing 100% happened the first day unless scum is only 3 people and it's red. Sultan and Hb just didn't do it.

I did also consider that it's not read bur just someone that needs the lynch to get to -1 to get something. Would likely implying someone on both. Red not having voted just makes more sense.

This is not useful talking though.

That should read second to last

That's not what I said at all.

Could be a day action, could be no target in particular. I don't know.

But the second to late vote day 1 was literally four seconds before deadline. Also stop was posted right after chang's vote day 2. It must be pre input in one way or another.

With it looking less and less likely that Kirby is aligned with Sultan and Hb, he's by far my best bet for 3rd party.

Probably no coincidence the explosion and hammer happened at the same time. Hammerer is definitely pre input someway, chang's vote closed the day. I thought overnight that perhaps Hb was a bomb of some sort and Death targeting him killed him but it would seem that is not the case.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

well, hb was scum, so, like, eh. not that i don't disagree with red as potential scum. need to reread to remind myself of what change has actually done

on rereading han did get into it with lopen toward the later parts of the day but he did still say he was town so who knows

I mean, scum shooting accepted best players above who made good reads is very common here, so finding that post doesn't really make me more confident in my reads for what it's worth.

Also I'm not against massclaiming, but I'm also not convinced it's the best move. Which is coming from someone that has kinda wanted to claim the whole game lol.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

what thoughts are those, exactly?

This was the post.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Probably Town
2 - ctesjbuvf - It's ridiculous that he'd just focus down Lea over Kirby as Scum the whole first day. he made good posts aside from that. For him to be Scum, he had to decide to pocket a vote on Lea the whole day. Possible, not super likely.
8 - MZero - MZero is always Scum. When he's this active and thinking, it implies Town.
5 - htaeD - Landed on Sultan too early.
7 - Lopen - Landed on Sultan too early. For him to be Scum, means that the bus was intentional for awhile.
6 - Kirby321 - Doesn't make sense as Scum. Lea was protecting.
9 - Obellisk - Been thinking the exact same as him all game, aside from him gunning for me at the beginning. Like a classic game where we bite at each other, but I just skipped biting at him.

Town leaning but less so
12 - UltimaterializerX - I liked his content a lot when he returned at end of day yesterday. His actions today feel out of sync with his thoughts at end of previous day though. His ward stuff felt genuine however. Biggest thing against Ulti is that Lea felt like he was Scum, and she died.

Circumstances, combined with enough people thinking he was Scum yesterday(including Lea)
4 - hbthebattle - Lea hard stuck to. Implies she died for this. Also, no fanfare at end of day sort of implies it wasn't necessarily scum vs Town, or that the Scum bus was decided on (very possible!)

Scum hiding while we cannibalize ourselves if Poppy/Hb are Town
1 - changmas - Under the radar
11 - red13n - More under the radar than Chang

Corrik's last post really did kind of imply he visited Poppy
10 - PoppyTheNinja - Corrik vote implicates him.

Han's thoughts about the game yesterday do line up very well with mine now I've just noticed.

If anyone wants to think Han was not simply shot because he's good.

That should be "Not sure he has said"

Not sure, he's said.

Also not asking to reveal anything new if not wanting to just wanted to know if it had already been said.

Poppy have you told who you've used your ability on?

Perhaps I should also explain the people I called town, whoch is current guesses and nothing definite except for me. I doubt Lopen slaughters Sultan like that if he's bussing, not out the gate, not that fast. MZero feels like he's trying harder than he did as scum and has been spot on. SBell is the only player I feel like I have data on as both town and scum and he feels more like town SBell to me. I do believe Ulti actually thought SBell as a cop that scanned me town n1. That didn't happen, but SBell is alive. Also I don't think Ulti makes that bodyguard claim as scum to throw shade on Han being alive and then shoot him right after.

This is where I'm at.

Ctes is town
Lopen is town
SBell is town
Ulti is town
MZero is town
Kirby is not town

That leaves Poppy, chang and red.

Poppy has been putting in very good work and a lot of thoughts I can follow. The Corrik thing is possibly something against him. Also the player I know the least.

I need to actually look closer at chang, but I have no clear there. Also Ulti on town makes it more likely chang is scum. I should read that part of Sultan's posts again.

Red is in the game and is my best guess for hammerer due to lack of votes. That's all I got there.

Rule of 3 is an overrated tool though.

There has to have been some bussing on the day votes. Red has never voted so my best guess is that he's hammerer. Other than that, Hb, Sultan, Corrik and I were the only ones not on any of the two scum on the day 1 trains.

Some of Sultan's day 1 remarks lead me to believe there's one scum in Ulti and chang. A bodyguard claim that early will probably be sorted out eventually if it's Ulti.

Worth looking on the say 2 votala as well, scum for sure knows at that point they're getting gold for being on the train, they don't necessarily know that day 1.

Kirby getting on both trains late doesnt look great imo, but I will admit that the interactions between the dead scum and Kirby makes them sremingly unlikely to be aligned which leads me to believe Kirby could indeed be Roshan.

##unvote

But I don't think there's much value in analyzing Hb's late posts day 2 because he knows he's dead to rights and that point so he's either trying to throw us off or he might as well just not post.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

i'm biased, but a line like this smacks of opportunism to me

I get that, but something I did agree with is that Corrik would hint what he did and there was little other choice. Death exploding nulls that again. But I've been operating on setup way too much so far.

No, I haven't played all too great so far. I defended Hb and was wrong and also haven't been on any of the two lynches. Hopefully it'll all make sense down the line.

Alright Kirby. Let's say that you're town and you have indeed read a post from me that sounds like a softclaim or hint or whatever. Why would you want to state that before having heard something from me? If I'm town you've given scum reason to look for something and possibly get a power role killed. If I'm scum you allow me to go look and possibly just allowed me to not get caught after. I don't get what the plan is if you're town.

Okay, it's 3am here, I need to put my phone away and sleep. See you tomorrow.

I'm not saying it was necessarily that smart, just that it's the best guess as to why.

Yeah, Death's town flip 100% means that Corrik did not visit Kirby. That he exploded randomly probably also means that we can't be sure Corrik died by his own ability.

Also Han dying could simply just be because he recognized as one of the best players here.

changmas posted...

I think scum players do actually have to get the bonus gold for lynching one of their own. Otherwise, for example, Ulti wouldn't have been able to buy a healing salve yesterday without an ability that also generates gold. So he could be towncleared off of that, which I don't think is an intent of the shop.

This is a good point, it's also the most natural conclusion.

Leafeon13N posted...

Does flavor of scum matter i dont know why dont you tell me?

Well you brought it up, which is why I asked if it did

I will say though that I have only very been confident Kirby is not town, he could as well be Roshan or whatever I suppose, if that is deemed more likely than him being on a team with Sultan and Hb.

How would it be a losing strategy though?

Also I know not what techies are. Does it matter in for the gameplay that you think its specifically that or is it purely cool Flavor.

Leafeon13N posted...

You think hb was trying to out his scummate as probable third party?

I will admit game has had craziness to a point that I probably should think more about such interactions than I've done. But before reading back, not sure it means too much.

For the record, I think it's worth looking back at who was humoring to vote one of Hb and Sultan day 1 but wasn't throwing votes until late. Aside from me, people were focused on those two for the longest time and neither had many votes until pretty late.

Still, that's tomorrow.

I am somehow still awake, but expect me to fall asleep any minute and not be of much use before morning here.

Death exploding really demotivated trying to figure out meta about kills for me. I did find it a bit amusing that Death was the one to get that role.

For now, I'm still at
##vote: Kirby
I'm sorry buddy.

Also I was wrong on Hb good job everyone. That's some rereading for tomorrow.

Votals? Deadline is nearing.

htaeD posted...

Also Ctes I dont know why your suspicion of Kirby is still that great.

Because Lea flipped town.

MZero I get why you don't buy into the Poppy stuff and that's fair.

But do you seriously think Death is lying, or that Corrik was redirected to scum?

Ironically, lynching Kirby is the best play regardless.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Do people think Death makes post 50 of topic 1 if he is scum with Sultan?

I'll admit I don't think that is a very telling post either way.