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Upside is the wrong word actually..
Benefit?
Tactical advantage?
Something like that.

Once more

That was not me saying I wont care. I just wont complain
That was me saying I can see an upside to it.

(That said I always care about votals!)

masterplum posted...

Death certainly knows the votes well considering he doesn't seem to care about anything else!

Call me scum fine
Call me uncaring and thats just rude

Sorry to ruin your action movie oneliner.

Lol yeah
IGCD has his vote on Red
And Red is on IGCD

Though it still does not tell me much. Either Peaf was defending IGCD, or he was trying to pocket him.

Actually, I did comment on some of those I am pretty sure.
I recall dismissing it at the time because he treated Red and IGCD the same way which did not help me narrow things down any.
(Also I was confused by him saying he could go on Kirby; IGCD. Was he saying he could vote either of them? Or was he saying that he could go on Kirby to IGCD?)

In the end it was more the way EDumey treated Red and the way IGCD did not treat either HB or Peaf that made me like Red more.

I definitely still did miss some of that though, so thats my bad.

And I dont care how this gets taken
But if IGCD is shot, then I at least would not be certain the last scum has to be Lea instead of Red.
Scum could also have not shot at all during the night of a nokill to make it look like Red is BP.

My head is starting to hurt.

IGCD what I am trying to say is..
Lea and Red have connected to HB and Peaf through interactions that make them seem less likely to be on the same team. Like EDumey voting Red right out of the gate or Lea needling Peaf and HB.

You have no such positive connections or interactions that make me think you cannot be scum with those two..

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ok but you were doing the exact opposite of pushing me until I brought it up.

I did not intend to. When I called you a void I did not mean it as a good thing!

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ok, so what have I posted that leads you to believe I have connected myself to them?

Uh... almost nothing. That is my point.
You voted HB once for less than a page and that was it. If there is anything I missed, then I would need to be pointed at it.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Wait, if you think I am final scum why wouldn't you want to push me more as I am openly advocating for my own lynch?

To be honest I didn't think I would need to push much until recently. That and I dont like to vote early even now. But you are right. I should learn to be more pushy.

##Vote: IGCD

Death, when did you shift away from that feeling to being true neutral on IGCD? IGCD actually does have some original content to analyze and it's a bit lazy to just write it off as IGCD impossible to analyze.

Mostly when process of elimination made him the biggest suspect to me.
Though I havent been fond of him ever since he tried to kill me.

And I know IGCD probably posted some things. But as far as I could find, nothing connected him to to HB/Edumey and Peaf in a way that made me think they could not be partners.

What? Thats not what I am thinking at all.
Why is it so confusing that I would suspect you the most for being so devoid of town merit?

Lol I for some reason confused you with Lea, Plum

Sorry about that

Also Lea has already voted me anyway

Lea for the umpteenth time
Lack of proof does not make me think IGCD can only be town.
For the past few days I have read everything about HB and Peaf and that has led me to like you and Red more than IGCD. That is simply the truth!

That said, you are right to say the other thing. I should have worded it differently.
I meant more to say "I think its IGCD as the final scum, but dont take my word as 100 % gospel and also do your own thinking."
But I also should not have been so quick to try and pass the pressure off to others. Its just that my energy is getting low as well.

Anyway let me answer Plums questions while I am at it.

What exactly happened to Death's suspicion of Corrik? It was me, followed by Corrik and Abacus.

Oh yaknow, the whole Isquen thing happened?
Plus Corrik actually talking did wonders for how I perceived him anyway. But it was mostly him apparently visiting Lea and her not dying that made me reconsider.

I just don't know if I buy this comes from a town Death who previously had suspicions of Corrik. Also why would they same time if you don't believe?

You're jumbling the order of events here, Corrik.
I was skeptical because Corrik did not want to sametime with Isquen about who he saw
Of course now I realize that this was actually a dumb idea since suggesting Corrik should sametime claim his action kinda gives away that he was the one Isquen saw. Also I think I should have used a past tense there instead of making it sound like it was something they still could do.
In any case, me not believing followed the lack of a sametime. Not the other way around. (and again, I was not even right to expect that)

Is town death really posting explanation of why he buys an uncountered cop claim?

There were people who questioned it because Lopen claimed it so early. I merely gave my own experiences to counter that, since I believed Lopen.

I can see a logical need for my lynch and part of me does want it to be done sooner than later.
But I did not mean to imply that I prefer to get lynched, of course not.
I just wanted to leave some words in case I do get lynched, now that it seems more than likely to happen.

IGCD is my top choice because he is a void. Some might say he has done nothing negative, but I say he has done nothing positive. For Red and you I can at least say that there were moments that dont gel with you being Peafs and Dumey's partner. For IGCD I just have nothing.

Regardless of who gets lynched, I cannot and could not imagine scum not killing you tonight. Basically I have been delaying my consideration of you for a day that may not come where you are somehow alive at endgame.

Yes its possible you are scum and are trying to set up a final four where town let you win because you look better than whoever is left alive with you.
But I dont think its wise or even right to lynch you over IGCD for that reason.

I was forceful because I was being accused of stuff in that game

Also I guess I was being travelog-y because the motion of the game seemed set in stone at that point. (towards Ulti that is)

That said I wont complain if I get lynched first
Just dont automatically assume it has to be IGCD tomorrow then

I feel that just perfectly describes my average early day1

NL?
I can already hear the dead town chat yell at us for even thinking it.

It might be worth a shot (If Plum and Isquen do their usual routine just to be safe)
But my preference goes to just lynching someone now and then maybe saving NL for the final 4

Oh and I am not being wishy washy, Red. I already said for me its IGCD > Red > Lea and my rereads have not changed that.

masterplum posted...

One strike against death, I wonder if town death is also paranoid about me. He made a comment to that effect he would never trust me ever in dead town chat when I was lava piranha

I forgot I even said that about you Plum, lol
I can just not hold a grudge for long.

At this point I just dont think its possible for Plum to be scum
He was seen targeting Lea night1 due to Isquen who is even more town at this point, so we know he has a power. And based on Mishima I dont think the last scumplayer could even visit someone nonlethally (or would even want to)

Plus just Deathdelayer, Backup and BP feels like too little protection for town since none of them can permanently save someone else. And if he was faking it, I feel like Isquen would have been shot after Peaf died.

This may be me just assuming just a little too much for my own sanity but still.

Lea when I said that I was referencing how hard HB seemed to want to disagree with Lopen about Ulti.
Yelling things like

That's not my point, dude. You're arguing that Ulti is trying to use the timesheet as a defense, but it's you and Sbell who dragged it into being relevant in the first place. If you think Ulti is trying to push the argument there, why are you engaging in it?

Why would he bother bussing Plum in the first place? What does he gain?

"he's either scum or he's a s*** player" what the f*** do you think

Merged quotes for the sake of my own aesthetics.

I recall me thinking reckless was the wrong word to use down the line. But I was used to scumHB being more timid and less confrontational and that's why I thought this HB was town.
Of course he changed his behavior all too soon. Though I wont speculate on why that is because he had to replace out.

Probably
Setting up yourself by bussing scumChris it aint.

I suppose leaving a townBP for a final 4 would be a hilarious situation to put the final scum in.
Though part of me has started to wonder if us building up to that idea was Reds intention all along since he claimed after most other powers did.

That is true. Just wondered if it was the Heihachi flip that made you vote Dumey though from the sound of it that mostly just served as support.

Makes me wish Isquen had saved his result just so I could know how Red and IGCD would have treated Dumey beforehand.

That said EDumey did come out swinging against Red day4, and I dont know if Dumey knew his number was up.

Lol

Sadly I am too boring to come up with a nongame question

So instead I will ask you: did you believe Dumey's claim at all?

Yeah IGCDs one sole claim to fame is his HB vote that he almost immediately went back on anyway

Peaf also only mentioned IGCD like once if my ISO is correct, and he called him town day1 in the same breath as Red, so that does not narrow it down any for me.

Oh and I didn't know that rule was even a thing.
I've been in too many games where we stalemated for what seemed to last forever, and there never was a consensus on who has to cut the knot first.

Even so its still at least likely that they did shoot just to see if they could bypass Plum for a night

If for some reason their shot had worked, they could always choose to not kill later if they did want even numbers during the day.

No clue.
I asked on the off chance you slipped about something we wouldn't know and did not have an adequate explanation ready.

We dont know that they shot into protection, do we?
They could also just have not shot at all.

Also I never had a principle that was against ending the day early... or claiming early
(allthough I may have rarely done it in the past without being aware of it I guess)

Still I dont see it as similar to lynching someone who is not around and cannot claim. So no I dont cede to that.

I never said you were off the table. You're just the one the least on my table. If that makes sense.

I am also going to be honest and say part of me calling you the best looking of the nillas is me trying to get scum to just shoot you. <.<

Oh I just assumed your vote on me was more process of elimination, plus you already mentioned you wouldn't have minded my lynch a while now.

Also cant argue that I did like HB day1 and that I just dont like lynching unclaimeds.
Characterizing me as someone who likes to end days early is unfair tho when in both cases the majority wanted to end those days early as well.

Still, I thank you for giving me more ways to look at the setup.

Then he got shot by a radical supporter

Peaf said:

Of the claimed vanillas, my lynch preference is kirby > wallz > abacus > death > igcd > lea > me.

Possibly relevant, he spoke highly of Lea a lot already tho so he had to stay in character anyway.

Lea's only interaction with Peaf day2 was calling him out for dropping the Kirbyvote. But that is at least an interaction that makes her look good.

Red called Peaf questionable for his Ulti interactions. Red also wanted players like me to tell him what they thought of Peaf, so he was not too quiet about him. I still wish he posted more day2 tho.
(...Maybe I should have started with reading day1)
In turn Peaf kinda weakly and indirectly suspected Red for being weaker on day2, and only after Lopen brought him up. Peaf was rather quick correct the idea that people thought he was leaving Red (and Abacus/HB) off his radar intentionally by focusing on nillas only. Curious but not very condemning.

IGCD is a void here in both directions.

(as in, Peaf started out the day sorta bussing HB. Based on that post you quoted.
Then dropped HB as soon as he found targets that werent on his team)

I was talking about HB there, Plum

Oh in that case I will just quote it

So yeah after some votal review i think Kirby is scum and there could also be one scum in Wallz, death, or Abacus. Maaaaaybe two, but I refuse to believe it could be 3.

This is just part of the post, and he justified his re-assessment through the votal analysis.

He did nail the other scumteam here well at least.
I guess when you can actually hunt scum you dont have to keep bussing a teammate.

Just checked topic4 and I was right.
You will never guess what happened to HB being on his list either, lol

I think he mentioned my name again a while later.
At the very least I specifically recall that as something that I should have paid more attention to in hindsight. Townpeaf always suspects me, so now it just looks to me like he forced himself to repeat that pattern.

Honestly I think Peaf got himself shot
Or at least scanned early by Wallz' role for how he reacted to Ulti and the whole '3 scum sbell' moment.

I dont recall if Peaf was even ever being suggested for lynching

Nobody voted him day2 and day1 only Isquen voted him.

Well if you really are that angry about that, Red. Then I will apologize.
I let the thought of Easter (and a little bit of impatience) convince me to end things early.
Though I didnt see myself vote anyone else regardless based on what I did read. But I wont take the rest of our time for granted.

Also
My flavor is Sergei Dragunov which I also already claimed.

And the reason I held back voting EDumey was not hesitation (because he was clearly scum and dead), it was just me thinking it would be better to end the day at a later time. Again part of that was my perhaps selfish thought to ensure that the nightphase would fall on Easter.

Yes I claimed vanilla.

My thoughts are basically Lea>Red>IGCD as far as town to scum goes.
But I also do want to use as much time as I can to get as comprehensive a picture as I can. (and thats definitely gonna have to be tomorrow for me too)

Yes maybe

##Vote: Mzero

Thats fair

Well again Mzero is probably asleep now.