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Oh must be misremembering

Are we being dumb and its just IGCD?

Like he was in the final 4 when I was scum piranha plant and he tried more than this.

For the record I would never ever scan Lea there because I would assume the other team would shoot her and it would be a waste of a scan.

I would have scanned IGCD or Abacus

I dont think red is scum

that would mean that he and Dumey both claimed BP at basically the same time?

The only way this possibly works is if Red is planning on bussing Dumey and wining in the final 4 because he immediately undercut Dumeys claim

Again, I guess??

I will take a stalemate because the idea that everyone ties but 3 people is hilarious to me

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Oh, yeah I think that is what happened gotcha

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It made Mzero look bad I guess?

But killing abacus after letting Mzero live is super weird to me. Feels like either the scan means nothing and you leave abacus alive or the scan matters and you shoot mzero

Idk

Scum is going to plan on no killing at 4 anyways so it didnt really hurt them

Oh, I suppose it can't really get to a final 4 of IGCD unless IGCD is scum or Red is scum

Hmm Hmm

I am tempted to policy lynch IGCD here yeah

One of my next steps was going to be to look to see if Lea was actually trying to get HB lynched and then it occurred to me that if that is the standard IGCD hasn't tried since D1

If he is town then he is going to be a pain in the ass at final 4 because scum sure isn't killing him tonight and he absolutely has nothing going for him to indicate he isn't scum.

htaeD posted...

I guess when you can actually hunt scum you dont have to keep bussing a teammate.

Uh...

So Peaf was bussing a teammate?

Yeah I don't know.

Bleh. Time for work.

Actually wait, why did peaf drop death off his list and add me to it there?

That's strange. Hold on

T2 264

htaeD posted...

I am leaning town on HB because he seems to be more reckless with his opinions than I think he would be as scum.

First mention of HB by death. Kind of an odd reason to think he is town.

T3 131
Peace___Frog posted...

Ulti/death/hb/kirby/? Pack it up folks

Is Peaf putting his entire team on his suspicion list here?

I suppose its possible but is this team just going all out bussing?

T4 10

Peace___Frog posted...

I like the votes on kirby.

##Vote: kirby

I also want to keep plum and hb in the conversation.

So this team is just bussing.

Hmm Maybe need a new strategy here

UltimaterializerX posted...

Good quotes.

Peaf and Lopen I am concerned. No chance either of you has an honest read on Corrik yet.

Hb may have gotten peaf shot!

(Neither here nor there but I thought it was funny)

Or maybe not

Hbthebattle posted...

serious question for Lopen and Peaf:

Which of these posts make you think that Corrik is towny?

Hb decides to engage in bussing

Well that is a decision.

On one hand don't think that is the right decision, but maybe that makes my premise a bit off. Still a worthwhile exercise but not the way I would have played it.

So the question it comes down to is who didn't want to lynch HB and Peaf

This would obviously be a lot easier with a full scum team, but also with two teams bussing seems horrendous especially for the first few days. Make a teammate look bad and they might just eat a shot. I think bussing of Dummey is a little different because of this because the other team was pretty much dead at that point

I'm going to look and see all HB and Peaf mentions to see if anyone actively tried to pursue them still alive

I would feel much better about life in general if IGCD flips scum

That's not off the table I suppose

Isquen posted...

The worst part is I had the option to gamble away from plum and didn't. Ughhh.

It's not worth it imho

I also protected you for that reason.

The question here is if it's Red. If it isn't red then we win.

Now, weird things can always happen at 4 so I would prefer to lynch correctly today so...

Well that is disappointing

Gut says Lea but I'm using the full 48 hours this time.

Unfortunately my power is off so that is probably going to be tomorrow

If its not Mzero its going to be time to buckle up

Mzero would be asleep again by now huh

I think Im just going to vote him. He makes the most sense. It really feels like he doesnt want to be here which would make sense if he is in a terrible position

Its possible he is town I suppose, but everything he has done this game, from leaving his vote on me and leaving (I am pretty sure his time stamps updated after I claimed) to now indicates he isnt trying to catch scum.

All right lets do this

##Vote:Mzero

Lets put it this way

Mzero you are dead. I am voting you.

Given that you are town who do we kill tomorrow

MZero posted...

You and plum have played more than enough mafia to know that someone defending themself instead of scum hunting is not a scum tell and never has been. People don't like getting mislynched

We've gotten to the point where you're calling me scum for not finding scum in the first 12 hours of a day when most of the game was asleep. Meanwhile you have ICGD doing nothing but assembling a claims list but that's okay because you've already decided I'm the last scum.

There is a massive difference between defending yourself in a do or die and defending yourself in a nearly unlosable situation

Like if this was lylo then your behavior would make sense. You start getting the "My lynch is going to throw the game. This is bad" Vibe

But if you are town then we can mislynch twice in a row. We don't even need to lynch correctly tomorrow! You could be town, death could be town and we would still be in decent shape because Isquen and I are basically confirmed town and immortal and I think Red is solid town both because I've like his posts and his role makes sense.

You are acting like this is lylo which makes no sense from a town perspective

Also, looking over the posts since the start of the day

I think Mzero has fallen into the classic scum trap where you forget you still need to pretend to play mafia.

Compare the Mzero posts with the death posts. Although the death posts are fairly shallow, he makes some observations about if a godfather exists and what that might mean.

I dont think Mzero has made a single post indicating he is even trying to figure out who the last scum is yet. Every post he has made has been defensive about himself or factual in nature I did this thing. You did this thing as opposed to exploratory

red13n posted...

Ideal scenario would have been Lopen claim(Since he was outed to scum) and Isquen keep watcher in his pocket. Don't think we really gained anything from the mass.

There is a decent chance I die in this scenario

Because the more I think about it, the more having a cop claimed, killing the doc, then having instantaneous backup doc is pretty bullshit for scum

I kiiinda want to go mzero

Backup of is kinda rude for scum. Double godfather is kinda rude for town and Mzero not dying makes me think scum didnt think Mzero was a big deal. Obvious scum kill if Mzero was town and mattered.

But I want to read all of Mzero and deaths posts first to see what they thought of HB/Dumey

If we can lynch correctly we will end up with more dead scum than dead town

one of the largest ass kickings by town ever

I suspect they did try to Hail Mary kill isquen this time

Let's play this safe isquen. You watch me and I save you and we literally can not lose

But please don't hammer till mzero claims

I think the next step is to wait to see what mzero and dummey did

Also what did dummey claim the last two nights again?

I think this game is nearly unloseable barring something truly inane like isquen being scum and confirming two town

If we kill just one scum then scum has to walk into a watch killing me.

Death I think is still the way to go. Too much protection is am absurd statement given corrik wasn't protection at all

Cool role. Not really protection

The funny thing is I was really close to saving corrik but figured the only real winning line scum had was to hail Mary kill isquen hoping I did something like that

Don't let me down town

This conversation really bothered me and it made me question if I did feel so strongly about something of I was doing enough about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/3/AANz_VAAEXGZ.jpg

So I guess that was a good result at least

Man, its almost like I was on to something when I said that leftists were going to purity test themselves into oblivion. Sorry I only agreed with 99% of your views instead of 100%

Going to turn this off and cool down.

Dancedreamer posted...

Emily Nash wasn't allowed to win an individual trophy (even though she could participate at the team level) in a tournament a few years ago.

Well she should have been

Paratroopa1 posted...

Tired of trying to change his mind

Maybe try to just have conversations with people first instead of trying to push your views onto them.

I feel like this sort of thing helps me see other peoples perspectives. Sorry you don't feel the same way

LightningStrikes posted...

Reminder that plum still hasnt explained why any of this even taken at face value could possibly support blanket bans rather than a case by case basis, because there is no argument for that other than trying to hurt trans people.

Because rules aren't created for case by case basis most of the time. You don't want to get sued every time

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

There are weight and PED restrictions, but not for innate physical traits. Usain Bolt absolutely destroyed everyone when he showed up, and not to discount his surely rigorous training, but his freakishly good physique is why!

EVERYONE can compete at the top level. There are no restrictions on how good you can be in no restrictions leagues

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Correct! And that's why it's so telling that everyone who shares your beliefs is 100% focused on "think about the women!!" over transmen who take literal testosterone.

Because trans men can compete in sports just fine! Literally anyone can compete in major mens sports! Its usually a big deal when a woman tries to do it and everyone roots for her!

swordz9 posted...

HRT isnt really comparable to steroids and drugs used to give an advantage imo, but Im not a sports guy

Oh of course not, but there literally already are physiological restrictions in sports already.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It's literal TERF shit. "Transmisogyny isn't REAL misogyny because they're actually men!"

If you want to make the argument that cis women experience misogyny EARLIER, that's one thing, but to call it literally anti-woman (aka misogyny) for transwomen to participate with ciswomen, you are saying transmisogyny isn't misogyny.

Look, if the anti-trans women in sports brigade wanted to argue for more distinct physiological restrictions on sports, there's an argument to be had! But then you need to acknowledge that cisgender people like your Michael Phelps and your Katie Ledecky's would and SHOULD be caught in that too.

You realize there are bans on steroid, doping and PEDs right?

Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah its like how the KKK and average black people have completely opposite desires. Tough situation!

So comparing people born as women with the KKK huh. Lets see if you get warned for this one

Jakyl25 posted...

But youre saying there shouldnt be trans women representation?

There absolutely should be input by trans women.

That is why I led this off by saying his is a tough situation! You have two groups with completely opposite desires

Kenri posted...

So you're just going full mask off now huh

How the hell is this mask off. We are talking explicitly about sports

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It's wild how pervasive this kind of shit is. How is it an attack on women's rights and women when transwomen are women?

Because they are two different traditionally repressed groups how is this hard to understand.

For the record this is why representation is important, because the life experience of someone born a women and the life experience of someone who transitioned into becoming are two different life experiences

Dancedreamer posted...

In 1988 only 10% of Americans supported Same Sex Marriage.
In 2004, only 39% of Americans supported Same Sex Marriage.
It wasn't until 2009 that Americans started turning around on the issue. By that time, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire had already legalized same sex marriage.

Do you think we'd have the progress we have today if those states hadn't taken those important first steps?

I dont think these things are comparable at all. Government regulating marriage is stupid to begin with. We are talking sports here not transgender rights to be treated as women in any other context

I honestly dont care what you think. If you want to block me because you cant engage with someone who has different values than you then more power to you

Go for it my man

SirChris posted...

That was approval after the law had been passed, whereas no such laws have been passed with sweeping protections for transgender people.

Also that same poll you cited had a generally favorable opinion of trans people so they are like you I guess - trans people aren't so bad but they shouldn't play sports. If Biden suddenly made a decree that trans people can play sports would that really even register to you when voting? I doubt it.

Yeah it would. Would it make me vote for fascists? No, but it would certainly make me less likely donate money or encourage people to vote because it would dampen enthusiasm if it became a core issue.

I really believe degrading womens sports is an attack on women and womens rights is a deep issue to me. It really bothers me the way some men culturally treat women as property and I get the same vibe from some people that they are treating womens sports as some ridiculous afterthought that doesnt matter because it doesnt matter to them.

But like you said, trans athletes make up a tiny proportion of athletes. I dont think its just to set the stage to torpedo the competitiveness of womens sports to accommodate a tiny fraction of women.

I think kids sports is fine, but at the high school and college level it isnt fair.