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I don't have a specific note. Just the idea of it. But topic 3, I think. Just general agreeing with you or following you, without it being explicit.

This was my final set of notes for deciding my scan:

I find myself in the unenviable position of thinking JC is most likely Scum, but not being able to argue it per se.
Ctes is snake-in-the-grass, which would be a good scan.
Dumey has all the attention, won't need help to be pursued.
Ben honestly looks pretty bad and I can make the argument without him.
JC I thought looked really bad, but I *could* be wrong, so... with Peaf siding with him, I think I'd need to be extra sure before pushing.

Otherwise, I'm not using a scan on an afk like Ulti or Cody. Cody especially would be boring. I *could* use a scan on someone like SBell, just to check my biases, or Lea, but... eh

I marked in my notes that Ben was shadowsheeping Peaf on day 1.

Honestly, recalling Red, he often just occasionally poked in with stuff I agreed with, so I guess Scum did a focused thing to just agree with me and let me run amok. Which sort of worked! Intentional or not.

Otherwise, an iso of red should take like 5 minutes, he made less than 50 posts this game I'm sure.

My read weren't great, but I figure playing role well assists with covering that blemish up.

Interestingly, I took a bunch of notes in chat with MZero when I was trying to determine my thoughts N1, and had some good thoughts about Ben being Scum that I just have forgotten about.

Oh! The reason I typed up a post before start of day 2 was because I would have a scan and I'd be too busy at start of day. I don't normally do work at night during games, but I did this game because of my power. I actually felt pretty strongly about JC being Scum N1, so I was ready to come in and call my read on him confirmed and say it was Hangut, but...

We still don't know if Ben's role revealed flavor. But remind me, for argument's sake, who did Ben claim to scan? Someone then Red?

masterplum posted...

So the million dollar question then, is do you think Ulti really was unable to piece this together or is he grasping at mislynches as scum?

I'm mostly holding my conclusions.

But for Ulti to be Scum, it means he took a strategy of basically never being consistent in this game once. He'd be able to blame that on COVID brain fog. Or just a "crazy like a fox" way of playing the game. Or just not ever really paying attention that hard.

This is not to support or deny him being Scum - just what would have to be for him to be. It is certainly within the realm of possibility.

XBC3 has what could be a cool battle system, but it's easy as balls. Chain attacks are cool but so slow to pull off and so strong.

Story-wise, it suffers from having mostly faceless villains.

I also don't mind the gacha system for XBC2 so much, but then again, I knew what blades I was going to use once I bothered looking it up, and my endgame team had I think 2 gacha blades out of 9? And if you use Poppy, that limits you to like, 4 actual slots.

tl;dr

It's impossible for me to be Scum without Kirby being my Scummate.

If there is no full-time RB, Kirby is Scum.

We could probably also Flavor meta and say that remaining on Scum's team is Kammy Koopa. If you want a character who causes burning, I think the Piranha Plant from the volcano is the obvious choice. Kammy makes more sense as a RB? Though I can't say I remember individual attacks or anything like that.

Anyway, since we've had no Scumteam meta, let's do it.

Flipped
Ninja Godfather/team ability copier
BP Role Scanner
Slightly more BP each night until assassin

Confirmed Actions
Roleblock on JC
Burn on Cody

We know SBell died to Lea, so he didn't duplicate a team power.

Extrapolating this, there are a few possibilities:

1. There is one Scum remaining, who is a Jack (which can literally only be Kirby)
2. There are two Scum remaining - either one with an EK and one who is a RB, or one who is a Jack.

For me to be Scum, Scum has to have a full time flavor cop (scans on JC and Ctes are proof I have more than one). This means Scum has to have a Jack with RB/Burn, which would have to be Kirby. However, in this instance, you are relying on, again, Scum tossing out an EK that Red absolutely would have gotten had me/Ctes not pointed in his direction. Does this situation sound barmy? It should.

It is also impossible for me to be Scum with Kirby AND Dumey Town because that means that Scum prevented Kirby from shooting Town Dumey, and willingly bussed an EK too. That's minus two night kills. Completely and utterly insane.

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masterplum posted...

Eh?

Why do you think that?

I think it's pretty clearly dumey into ulti

I would encourage you to read the conversation in which the post you are quoting is said.

I'll give you a hint: no full-time roleblocker meaning Kirby has to be Scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Plum -> Hb -> you

Do you know what would even be required for me to be Scum at this point?

MajinZidane posted...

Lol trailers are advertising has nothing to do with the movie quality why even watch trailers if you already know if youre going to see the movie or not

Who is this directed at?

Anyway, here's my plan for today:

I want everyone's game scripts for the remainder of the game (flips could change things, sure, but really there should be enough info).

Once I'm satisfied that people's chips are down, I'll reveal my scan. People can adjust from there, and we can lynch.

masterplum posted...

Ha

For the record this is why mass claims are dumb.

I still dont understand why Han did some of the things he did but there is no question this is a town move. Anything else would be suicidal at this point.

I was tired when I said I felt better about Ctes, and Peaf latched on, so I wanted to be obstinate to not give scum the info. I said I was confirmed because I could prove I scanned JC night 1, but after a bit of time, I just had to double down on saying we were confirmed no matter what, because I really didn't want to claim.

Ctes picked up that I knew his flavor immediately. Then, I sort of guided him into agreeing to let me claim for both of us... The fakeclaim went through variations. There were definitely holes in it!

My goal in hinting that Jr Troopa to Ctes was to draw his attention to it, then ask if he was picking up what I was putting down. Since he already knew I was flavor cop, he probably picked up that I was trying to hint him.

No need to sound so salty, Dumey!

Oh, and Peaf, when you asked the thing about Scum hunting for a traditionally not useful scanner - I held back a bit because I was afraid of hinting, but the reason why is because, in a game where Flavor is important, a Flavor Cop is just a Cop.

As for the hint posts to JC, the first one is topic 4, post 10.

Still sad JC missed that one.

Anyway, mostly full claim before I go to bed.

Goombario, Town Flavor Cop

N1 - JC. I actually got an inclusive scan from this - technically, I got the tattle result for Big Lantern Ghost's Lantern. So I wasn't sure if JC was Watt or Big Lantern Ghost or Big Lantern Ghost's Lantern. That's why I kept pushing - I threw out like, 3 hints to JC hoping he'd catch them. Anyway, he eventually claimed to be Watt, and if you note, right after that I hopped off of him.

N2 - Ctes. This time, the flavor scan was conclusive, and said he was Kooper directly. I'm assuming MZero never meant there to be confusion and perhaps adjusted after I wasn't sure on my N1 scan. Either way, he picked up my hint right away and we ran with it.

N3 - Red. Conclusively said he was Jr. Troopa.

Passed it to him in this post:

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I want you to think with me here, Ctes. Real hard.

Just, having trouble seeing what Red's response would mean. That scan could imply anything. Really, it could go either way, with red being scummate. Or town that was scanned. Or, hell, independent. Perhaps the intention was to leave it vague at first, then he had to commit so he chose scummate red. Again, though, red could be innocent.

Got what I'm thinking?

Read the capitals of the second paragraph.

N4 - holding it for the moment. Curious to see where people point before I do.

I watched it only for a bit, but one rep of these was ten times as good as 100 reps of the Seinfeld one.

The limited script is necessary for the meme, and probably will get old, but it's not like the Seinfeld one had that much variety.

Peace___Frog posted...

Yeah i wouldn't have picked up on that at all. Ctes is a smart cookie.

It helps that he was Kooper and "shell game" was not very veiled, at least from his point of view.

Then again, I asked JC to his face is he was Watt and he missed it completely.

Hbthebattle posted...

Sorry but that doesn't fully track. How'd you get Ctes to know Red was Jr. Troopa?

Hinted it. I can find the post soon.

Sorry if that "obvious" comes across as rude, it's meant as more of a "don't overthink it, I just claimed Ctes was my role" and having the flavor scan on Red should make it clear.

Hbthebattle posted...

How'd you convince Ctes to play along? How'd you know for a fact that Red was Jr. Koopa
I think you need to give us your full claim.

Is it not obvious at this point?

I knew Ctes was Kooper and hinted it to him when I said the whole shell game line. He correctly interpreted it as a hint and after that, he just played along because he knew what I was doing.

And I'm glad he did, because it got us one more scan.

I'm staying mum on my thoughts for now to see what people say first.

You have to work on your logic because I'm the most confirmed Town in the game rn lol

*squints*

I literally scanned a Scum extra kill and passed it on so that we lynched him yesterday.

And sorry Dumey, I got busy with Tales

UltimaterializerX posted...

You are in no way confirmed town. You are only a confirmed neighbor.

I'm literally not a neighbor, Ulti.

Everybody was active for 30 minutes then I come back and...

Anyway, I can't wait to see Scumboard when it was revealed that Ctes was just vanilla.

And Peaf when he checks in.

Hbthebattle posted...

How the fuck did Han and Ctes pull that off?

It was tough, but once Ctes was "on-board", it just became making a slant-truth that was buyable enough to get us to the point where Scum had to commit to killing him, which then confirms us anyway.

I was really hoping Ctes was BP. If he was, and there is one Scum left, it'd have been possible for us to win without Town ever learning the truth.

Alas.

Rest in peace, Ctes. You were the real mvp.

Did you run into the girl because she was blind?

Some Redshirts are main characters thank you.

Wizard/Witch is the most gain for least responsibility.

Starfleet Officer is the choice that gets you the great future and tech, but you still have to serve in Starfleet.

Animorph is probably really good if you don't have to deal with all the extra shit.

Jedi, Green Lantern, Keyblade Wielder, Persona User all have responsibilities and creed related to them. They're not hobbies - they're lives (Persona User less so).

Bender is honestly a little underwhelming, though an airbender for flight could be cool. Ghostbuster is worthless.

Pokemon Trainer is probably just super fun with everything that goes into that.

We've also learned that apparently, Wonder Woman gave part of her soul to Darkseid. It's given him the ability to empathize and such. And he hates her so much for it that he made her his primary enemy, and is doing everything he can to stomp down her legacy.

I'll be honest, if I wasn't afraid of 3 Scum remaining, I would side with Kirby on lynching Dumey today.

Well I hope nobody blames me for being nervous about numbers after a game where we won as Scum, having more members of the Cult than Town thought.

Y'all, four Scum means the game can end in a Town victory at lynch of day 2.

That is barmy.

Traci Traci Traci Traci

Like, how am I supposed to get a read from Ulti when it feels like he's not playing the same game as the rest of us?

Either way, if Red is Scum and they did this to make Ctes look good, then red is Scum.

If Red is not Scum and they did this to make Ctes look good, then that also means that Red is non-Town.

I think this line of questioning resolves at start of next day, tbh

Not to say it's not worth it, but like, I buy Ctes as Town more than I buy you, Peaf. And I really really really should buy you as Town.

If Red is not Indy, then Ben wouldn't have scanned him, no. But also, then Ctes wouldn't be able to use Ben's scan to guess his flavor.

Peace___Frog posted...

No, didn't Ben's flip say full flavor scan? And if red is not indie as you suggested then there's no need for Ben to scan red

I checked.

"Learn their exact role."

It's vague.

Hbthebattle posted...

Is it theoretically possible ctes is lying then? He could have been coasting off of scans Ben made.

I believe Ctes entirely. Besides, if Ben scanned Red, it wouldn't give flavor, right? Ctes would have to bank on Red being Jr. Troopa.

Peace___Frog posted...

I think the moment of truth here was towards the end of day, he directly asked you what you thought of her. You said you didn't see her as scum, and he pretty much dropped it after that.

I think you convinced him that they had to kill her.

And then she killed him.

All a part of the Masterplan

I couldn't use my power on night 1.

And yeah, fair defense about SBell. He pocketed me good. Him and I have had spats in the past in many games that were Town/Town, so when he was willing to disconnect, I was too.

In retrospect, him saying to remove Lea from our super team was red flags, but she got him good for that anyway.

And I can't criticize your play this game, Peaf. I mean, I said Ben's claim was vs and backed off because I thought Ulti was hinting Mario lol

Before. He didn't scan me yet.