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htaeD posted...

I dont think that's true at all

Why did I vote you then?

Kirby is NOT on G Corp. Strong possibility for last Mishima though.

Death probably is on G Corp.

Peaf calls Lopen and Kirby his strongest town reads day 1. It is extremely unlikely peaf calls out a teammate for one of these reads. Thus, Kirby is not G Corp.

Just like Ulti calling out Lopen and Peaf specifically (I had both of them town for this), ended up just being neither could be Mishima with him. It was a good read with erroneous results due to lack of knowledge of the second scum team.

Anywho Kirby is not G Corp. Much more work left to do however in uncovering these intricacies.

I do feel also that G Corp possibly didn't know the second scum team existed day 1. Thus, as Ulti gets ready to flip they could possibly start pondering if he is actually town. Peaf doesn't do this, but we do see igcd offer to due for ulti. I said this generally made me certain igcd was town and not scum with ulti. This no longer precludes him from g Corp, but doesn't mean he is.

However, Leas comment that if ulti flips town yadda yadda regarding IGCD is interesting as well.

masterplum posted...

Man I called it so hard

I am referring to the 2 scum teams thing but also to wallz

Thank you very much MISHIMA surviving member for killing Lopen. I very much appreciate it.

What? G Corp shot lopen. Mishima shot Peaf.

Also don't thank someone for killing town.

Isquen posted...

See, this right here is what I'm worried about. I ignored the WIFOM and went to plum, and saw saw someone visiting him yesterday again and now G Corp knows who it is from the briefly pilfered result. I flipped a coin on scanning red instead just to test my "counterattacker" theory and am sort of glad I didn't now.

Alternatively, it could be a real, scum doctor on G Corp side, that has the ability happened to target a real, scum person to protect them, and I'm suddenly wondering why Lopen went off the rails at both Plum and Lea. Could they be G Corp, Plum claiming said safelist doctor, but Lea being Kazuya, and Plum protecting her? I've known Lea to peek at safelist before and pick what was extra appealing.

I don't know if pursuing that train of thought is healthy, though. We do, after all, have some living inactives that have been barely keeping their head overwater, and Lopen only knew that his scan was swiped, and got it back for a moment before he got knocked out. For example, if he was telling the truth about scanning red, G Corp now knows red's alignment for sure, and red isn't dead, which looks bad for him.

Mathematically I'm going to assume there's one Mishima Zaibatsu left as Heihachi, who is probably among the inactives, and two of the G Corp, so town doesn't complete implode on itself if scum whiffs at killing each other constantly. I'm not entirely 100% certain of plum anymore, even if all evidence does point to him being town, but I still don't think aiming at him is the play today. Instead, I think the right call is either an inactive or Lea. Mostly something that's bothering me when she was bringing up "my main" comment in her spat between Ulti, whereas the flip for Anna said "this is the host's main" but I have to look back at topic 1 and see if it was Ulti who brought it up first. Then I have to wade through the mire that is Lopen's Grand Conspiracy Theory at the end of day 2. Then I have to ISO further because everything she's done so far is town-centric, but this is before we knew of the existence of a third-party TEAM for sure.

I also can't discount wallz's self-preservation vote at the end of day. It could be a ruse.

##unvote

I've gotta sleep on this, methinks.

If g Corp knows reds alignment and didn't shoot red, I think this actually is good for red. This means he scanned good and they didn't wanna waste a shot on the town. Their best recourse was to eliminate Mishima before any of them flipped, to mask their team existing.

Now on the flipside, the remaining Mishima being godfather is high. So, it might not mean much that red scanned not guilty.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

It doesn't mean anything to me, one team could be claiming the doctor role while the other could be scared of getting seen by watcher when trying to kill the doctor claim.

It means town should have a lot of protection, but the protection can be bypassed also.

You have two roles (one each team) that can counter role powers. And then you have obtainable strongman modifiers.

I'm going to assume townpower exists in the unclaimed because town is woefully unprepared. Hell, both teams had a literal ninja to bypass the watcher. Probably both teams have a godfather too.

Kirby321 posted...

For IGCD's reference, these are all the claims:

1) Abacus - Zafina, Vanilla
2) Corrik - Yoshimitsu, ???
3) Death - Sergei Dragunov, Vanilla
4) Hb - ???
5) IGCD - Ling Xiaoyu, Vanilla
6) Isquen - Master Raven, Watcher
7) Kirby - Josie Rizal, Vanilla
8) Lea - Emilie de Rochefort (Lili), Vanilla
9) MZero - ???
10) Plum - Dr. Bosconovitch, Doctor
11) Red - ???

Call me crazy, but I remember talking about how convenient it was that the first two claims for mass claims were Vanillas who claimed immediately, after Lea pointed out that scum tend to claim last.

Peaf was the very first one to claim. He flipped scum.

Abacus was the second to claim. Could he also have claimed immediately to throw off anyone thinking he was scum? Hmm...

I voted death because he generally refuses to claim as town.

Sigh 2 scum teams so everything is pretty much out the window as far as reads go.

There might be something to the walls lynch I suppose idk. Isquen did you get a scan off?

##unvote:
##vote: Death

have a good day.

Curious that Lopen never considered I stole his scan and Plum is doctor. That's blind faith.

Peace___Frog posted...

You thought there would be a town rb and a scum rb??

Sure why not

I guess it's the time I put my final vote down for the day. Hmmm. Gimme a minute.

Kirby321 posted...

You truly believe that with scum having a Roleblocker and a Role Thief that most of the game is vanilla?

That's essentially two roleblocking scum roles. With the current people who have claimed, by Day 2, scum can just keep the town permanently roleblocked if Doctor and whatever the heck Corrik's role are both eliminated.

That simply can't be ignored. Two powerful scum roles that shut down other town power roles, yet there are only four in the game? I don't believe that for a second.

Role Thief is likely a jack anyways and one use.

wallmasterz posted...

Im bumping up against a deadline I probably wont meet because Im prioritizing this game, so no Im not commenting on every little thing. To be honest what stands out to me the most about the elephant in the room is how fixated you seem to be on it. Every time theres a new vanilla claim you go I cant believe it! And Im starting to wonder if youre just one of a fake vanilla claim(s) who feel insecure about claiming vanilla but lying and therefore that nervous energy is turning into needing to comment every time.

https://gfycat.com/alarmedsilverliger

Peace___Frog posted...

Are you including plum in that assessment?

If everything left is vanilla, yes.

I thought for sure we have a Bulletproof and commuter or roleblocker or something.

Kirby321 posted...

Wallz, do you have nothing to say about the 9 Vanillas that have claimed? On top of the fact that Ulti flipped roleblocker and Lopen claimed his scan was stolen? A dearth of power would be quite the handicap for scum.

It's a red flag that you're completely ignoring the elephant in the room here.

Rude. I lost some weight recently. Thank you very much.

Oh wait you think we aren't scum together. Well, that is an astute deduction. I can buy that.

wallmasterz posted...

Im starting to wonder if plum is actually town. I thought Corrik was town for sure but I am baffled by Corrik insisting plum is lying yet refusing to vote plum. And plum being fixated on me when Corrik says plum is lying. But I feel confident the two doctor/not doctor wink wink claims arent scum together. Weird situation all around

You thought me and Plum were scum together!?

Peace___Frog posted...

One of them has already put his foot down, so

Then we will lynch red yet again for refusing to claim. I wanna know if I have a pool of 3 to lynch from or just him.

Someone ping hb mzero and red.

htaeD posted...

Corrik how sure are you your role cannot coexist with doctor?

And Lopen what does this mean to you?

Because Plum is looking townier by the minute.

Made me guffaw

When I claim, you will understand my reservations. Also, I didn't know this had "experimental aspects".

That said, if this is a low power game in addition... I'm a tad miffed.

Lopen, did you lose your scan or your power?

Leafeon13N posted...

This is partially accurate.

Lopen is the lad?

If scum is in the end, they will be more inspired to claim a power that "fits" towards the end of the mass. Just FYI.

If the rest of the entire game is Vanilla, all power claims are Town confirmed and mafia is weaker than expected.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Lopen is the ladder.

I for one pledge my undying support to lynch Red if he refuses to claim.

Wait? Am I in an experimental game?

So I'm thinking

A.
Roleblocker
Extra kill
Jack/Role Thief
Godfather
Ninja

B.
Roleblocker
Bulletproof
Role Thief
Ninja Godfather

SK

C.
Roleblocker
Extra kill/Jack (with a ninja use)
Role Thief
Godfather
?????

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

What was your flavor again

For the record, I did not claim what Lopen had me posted as claiming.

Oh the day ends today? I thought it was tomorrow. Hmmm. I'll miss deadline for sure tho

Can we get some unvotes on Plum until we get the mass finished. Thanks.

Peace___Frog posted...

Oh yeah and mzero.

I keep forgetting about him

The good ol Park and Ride voter

Corrik7 posted...

Who is left to claim?

Kirby, death, red (who will act like a punk about it), wall. Who else? Is that it? IGCD

Mzero and hb

Who is left to claim?

Kirby, death, red (who will act like a punk about it), wall. Who else? Is that it? IGCD

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Plum so clearly and outright defended ulti day 1 it was sickening, while claiming I was. I came into day 2 thinking plum had to be town because it was too outright to then have ulti flip scum too on top of it. I feel like he had to not know ulti was scum already at that point or he threw in hard to save the RB.

masterplum posted...

Corrik making everyone else claim and not claiming himself is the most Corrik that has ever Corriked

Indeed

Lopen posted...

If we mass, Corrik will full claim. I'm sure of it

Let's mass

Indeed

Kirby321 posted...

The fact that Corrik quoted from a Wikipedia article instead of paraphrasing his flavor PM makes me think Yoshimitsu was safelisted

Got em

I'm something that would make me think a doctor doesn't exist. Do you hear the words coming out of my mouth, brutha?

masterplum posted...

So hes bullet proof?

No.

"he and Lei Wulong are the only characters with the ability to restore health."

masterplum posted...

Yoshimitsu makes sense as a doctor

I might as well ignore Lopen because this is the level of logic we are dealing with here.

I bet Corrik could have named literally any tekken character and Lopen would have found a way to fit it into his world view

I don't think every tekken character can heal tbqh.

Peace___Frog posted...

That would be a hilarious coincidence, with town power all outing themselves in the middle of day 2. But no i think there's probably one or two more real power roles if scum had two kills to use n1.

I think all scum will claim vanilla though. So it's beneficial to mass now.

Peace___Frog posted...

I did.

Doesn't help us sort out any power meta shenanigans

Do you think every last person left will claim vanilla? 2 are already flipped.

Peace___Frog posted...

Iirc plum's first reaction was Strongman or vig.

I agree with lopen that if abacus still has internet issues then ctes may want to consider a replacement. But isquen said he'd be gone for a while after he claimed, so it's really disingenuous to say that he's lying just because he suddenly left, or however you phrased it.

Gonna be honest, my head is kind of spinning a bit with these "if x then a but if x and y then b or maybe c" kind of arguments that are going on. I need to take a walk and reread because what the fuck.

Or you can just claim.

Oh hey. Can we be smart here. Mass claim please. Supposedly all top power is claimed. Let's get everyone on the board here.

masterplum posted...

Assuming the watcher watches me and the doctor protects the watcher.

Scum is in a pickle because maybe I don't save the watcher. Who knows

Then if the watcher dies and you are really a doctor, you are dead af right? Lol. So you can't not save him.

That said, I don't think doctor exists and this is all nonsense but just showing where you should be at.

The watcher is the one who has options. Not you. Tbqh.

masterplum posted...

They have to bite the bullet and just do it. You can't just leave a doctor around with no role blocker

Why? If you supposedly have to do this cycle, they neutralized the watcher and doctor and have free reign on everyone else without fear of the watcher.