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Like, I'm not sure if I'm contributing to it this game, and I'm sorry if I am, but without Lopen here, it feels like there's a lot of negativity that has spread among Isquen, Peaf, Hb.

Peace___Frog posted...

What a waste of a thought exercise.
Red>frail&young, as said. But still not desirable in any way for today, because even lynching red won't really give much information for future days.

I'm not sure what it's wasting. A few keystrokes from people?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Absolutely no reaction to the earry feeling I had about Han or Lea being scum is interesting.

Why do you have an eerie feel about me and Lea? Is it because we both were with you on Kirby to kick things off, but then nobody but Peaf also hopped on Kirby, and that died out, and you have an eerie feeling that the people who agreed with you are Scum because ?

Because I've seen that sort of thing before and I've had those feelings before and they're not really worth commenting on.

If it's something else, go for it, but I'm not particularly concerned about your eerie feeling.

I'm also not sure why you're voting me for when I've had votes on most all of my Scumreads.

And I'm not sure why you're voting me for trying to create activity in the game. Is activity bad, Sultan?

I think timestamping should be banned tbh

You know what, thought exercise.

Where does everyone stand on lynching Ulti/Red/Cody right now?

Peace___Frog posted...

... are you kidding me

I didn't remember!

I just checked and yes.

Anyway, it seems really odd that JC played that game and is FOSing me here. I've done more to try to get action happen this game than otherwise!

There was like, one series of posts JC made this game that made me like him more, but I don't recall what they were.

Was JC in the previous game?

PunishedBen posted...

There have been a couple disputes this game. Han and Sbell, Sultan and HB. But the one that I've always thought ended feeling like scum/town, or even scum/scum, is Dumey and Peaf.

Initially i remember liking peaf more when the exchange between the two first happened. But over the course of the day I like Dumey more. The ISO posts would be pretty excessive for scum on day 1. Peaf also dropped his willingness to vote Dumey today, while Dumey is still poking at Peaf.

I dont like poeaf saying I'm 100% town and then taking it back because others gave him an out.

Finally, Peaf felt like the "I want to lynch Sbell" of Han this game. That is why i was waiting on Han to vote to see if he was avoiding peaf. But I'm too impatient..

I'll admit that I've been hesitant to keep pushing Peaf because he's been putting the work in.

But hey, looks like we have the votes now.

##Vote: Peaf

Pressure time

masterplum posted...

Han, what are your thoughts on Peaf's "Rubbed me the right way" Ben post.

I am getting contradictory signals because outlandish statements for no reason is a scummy thing to do but Peaf seems completely oblivious to why this is a problem

I've already answered this, but I don't really agree with it at all.

Peace___Frog posted...

I know i said i wouldn't lynch Han today despite my slight scum lean, but his posts are giving me the vibe of "lay back and let someone else lead town to demise" right now. Which he did a lot as scum last game.

He also put words in isq's mouth, something he did a whole lot of last game. So keep an eye on him after he pushes my lynch today :)

I didn't really put words in Isquen's mouth. Let's not treat that like it's a real thing.

And last game was easy because Town walked to their deaths a lot.

This is a case where things I've pushed just haven't settled.

As for Dumey, he's been with me against you, so like, there's unity there.

IDK part of me does just want to No Lynch, I'm not sure we really get a whole lot of info unless we specifically lynch Kirby, Sultan, or just go mad with specialing at end of day.

I would lynch like, Kirby, Peaf. I guess Ulti. I could be persuaded on Plum. I would probably lynch Lea but I really don't want to.

We could lynch Ulti, but that sounds very boring.

I don't think you look Town, Kirby. I just haven't really seen any further things to make me think you look Scummish.

JC, how would you feel if I told you I didn't want Isquen lynched this day, and didn't even want him lynched before I applied my vote back to him?

Peaf said Ben was 100% Town in topic 1 and pointed out a post, maybe 224 of Ben's, and I didn't think the post looked Townish at all

Peace___Frog posted...

I won't support the lynch of sultan, ctes, or hb, if you're looking for other Peaf reads.

Kirby and Ben were strong town reads in the middle of the day but in the time since they've both been disappointments. I'd prefer to not lynch them but I won't argue hard against it, either.

I don't want Sultan or Hb lynched either. Ctes has been in a weird place for me - I think he's been Townish in what he's said, but I don't feel he's been Townish in what he does, if that makes sense.

I'm also not into the Plum idea. I don't think I've agreed with anything Plum has said, but his insertion into the game felt a lot more natural than I remember him being as Scum.

He did say SBell earlier.

But SBell is Town. Probably.

Peace___Frog posted...

If it's that easy then I question the train

Who else then, Peaf?

The other option at the time was you.

Obellisk posted...

Can someone give me a wrapup of the last few hours, this afternoon/evening has turned to shit, I'm not going to have much chance to do a full catchup before lynch.

People were cowards and didn't join me on Peaf, nothing happened, Isquen showed up then left.

Yeah, but given I'm the one who said "let's get some action going" and I'm actively asking questions, you would think that'd be appreciated.

I mean, I get it, in the past I've gunned hard at Isquen, but this is really not that. I've been hesitant on him the whole day - I just pushed now to get something to happen.

Oh come on, don't be like that.

I'm sorry I suggested that your sneaking suspicion that Sultan adding a 3rd vote to you 12 hours into the day as a Scum ploy was not a particularly clever scenario. Maybe it's right. I would happy to explain why it's not, but I'll let you ask if you want to know.

Hey Isquen, if you want to not be lynched, instead of being so like, idk, whinging, you could like chill?

You made a weird post. It's objectively weird sounding. This doesn't mean the players are somehow awful - it means you got your information out in a way that multiple people picked up on thinking was, well, saying nothing.

BTW, I'll go ahead and say it before you get there, but... if you're suggesting that a Scummate told Sultan to hop onto you... 12 hours into D1? When there was little activity? Then I'm not sure why you're dissing "the current cast of players".

Isquen posted...

You have an awful habit of putting words in people's mouths during games and I'm frankly exhausted by it.

I was specifically doing it in this instance to highlight that you basically said nothing with that response. You can "wtf" all you want, but frankly, it wasn't really a wtf vote.

I did not invoke Han Gut!

Look at how nice we're being, like cats sharing the cream

Isquen posted...

The initial 3?

Han: doing usual Han things of acting like a cat got into the cream, leading the misinformation train as he do despite tagging me as erratic (yes) and saying it was a town read.

The funny thing is that this isn't accurate at all.

But anyway, here's what you posted before, along with questions:

Something about this seems off (and apologies for my future inactivity, today's commuting day and I'm leaving in a few minutes.)

Something about what seemed off? And in what way?

Sultan: your reaction to my post was extremely delayed. I was around for HOURS after that, why are you pointing it out so long after I went to bed?

He said he wanted to get something to happen so he went back and highlighted something that stood out. What does that make you think?

Kirby: Glazing over your word, you salad neglected the Origami King. Shame.

Why add fluff like this in the middle of saying nothing?

Lea: I'm not entirely happy with how quickly you jumped on the Kirby vote with Han, even if the reaction Kirby gave is a bit telling. But...

What reaction did Kirby give that was telling? And why, if it WAS telling, do you not like Lea hopping on it?

Sultan again: What was that vote. What.

What was it about Sultan's vote that made you think it was the best thing you've ever seen in a Mafia game?

masterplum posted...

What is the arument for Isquen? I missed that thread

Go see the post I quoted when I tossed my vote back on him. Otherwise, it's similar to anybody else who has been inactive, but only with Isquen saying things sometimes

Hbthebattle posted...

People on that lynch, especially Han and Lea who were making similar comments about how going after Sultan's fuckups is "lazy"

I don't believe I did this.

Hbthebattle posted...

is he not? is not part of the argument against him that he keeps popping up, saying weird things, and then refusing to explain them?

Hb, when are you going to say names other than Sultan?

You should use a blanket if it's cold in your sleep.

Anyway, Red, I don't find you Scummy yet, give me your one sentences on the following:

• Peaf
• Isquen
• Kirby
• Ben

Leafeon13N posted...

This is a game after we lynched me with the best reason being "fun"

uh, I lynched you to win, thank you very much

idk when the post was posted but Ulti having given nothing most of the day fits the archetype for specialing

Phrase you said*

And Red, I was paraphrasing earlier what you said was misconstruing. The 2 scum was the actuality of the situation in last game that I applied to the phrase you have earlier in this one.

I find it interesting that I said "let's get some activity goin", and Lea hopped off Ben to join me on Isquen, and then Death went "whoa whoa whoa wait hey hang on a minute, why not, uhhhh, Ben?"

##Unvote: Peaf
##Vote: Isquen

Let's create some momentum then. Nobody else seems to be picking up nasties from Peaf and I'll admit that him side-shading me could be painting my impression.

Isquen posted...

Something about this seems off (and apologies for my future inactivity, today's commuting day and I'm leaving in a few minutes.)

Sultan: your reaction to my post was extremely delayed. I was around for HOURS after that, why are you pointing it out so long after I went to bed?

Kirby: Glazing over your word, you salad neglected the Origami King. Shame.

Lea: I'm not entirely happy with how quickly you jumped on the Kirby vote with Han, even if the reaction Kirby gave is a bit telling. But...

Sultan again: What was that vote. What.

This is the Isquen post in question, and it's very much a say-nothing kind of post

Peace___Frog posted...

I stand behind that though. Pocketing sultan (or any player, really) with very little to go off of is not a bad play for scum to make! I find it very unlikely that everyone who defended sultan is town.

Scum knows who is not scum, and buddying up to not scum is a tried and true method, is it not?

Sultan has traditionally been a very easy-read player, though.

Honestly, with people voting for him and people defending him, I'd say the people who are hands-off are more likely to be Scum.

Yeah, I just finished checking back through and tbh, I can't say that I find your body of work particularly engaging Peaf. The point where you were seconding Hb to toss shade onto people defending Sultan felt very Scummy too.

Usually my metric for Townreads d1 is "do I have a reason to think this person is Town" and I don't have a reason for you.

What if SBell is Loud Right?

masterplum posted...

Sbell does this thing as town where he gets very confidant in something that is absolutely baseless. It was more of a critique on that than him being necessarily incorrect

Yet the connection is him being incorrect and the person he's incorrect about being Scum.

Scum for like, a sentence that you thought read as LOUD when Sultan has, in fact, been much more vocal as a Town player.

2 full topics is too many.

masterplum posted...

Dude, I don't have time for all of that. I gave up combing previous games years ago. I have other things in my life that are more important.

Then my retort to you is this:

I think your argument on Sultan is very wrong, contrived, and it is incredibly Scummy that you flipped so quick onto him while arbitrarily declaring that SBell was "very obviously and inarguably wrong"

I asked for proof.

Show me Town Sultan saying joke phase are an exact different amount.

Show me the loudest Town Sultan has been, so I can see it's less than that.

Show me SBell being wrong about something like that.

Cody11533 posted...

Another question from the newb, are we either discouraged or straight up not allowed to theorize possible roles based on the flavor? Something like 'I think there are X number of scum players, and I think one of them is soandso from the first Paper Mario". Would that fall under the metagaming is allowed but not encouraged banner?

You can but it's like, not necessarily too worthwhile?

Something you might want to try is picking a player and going back through the day, just ctrl-f for their posts, and ask "is this person trying to find Scum or blend in?"

You might not be able to answer the question, but it might get your brain working in the right direction.

Peace___Frog posted...

And yet you asked me how shit posty i normally am.

You seem to alternate between knowing exactly how good town Peaf operates, and not knowing basic things that even death was able to recall offhand.

I have a general memory of your ability and intelligence, and not quite the same for your shitposting. They are not mutually inclusive things.

Additionally, I wanted to see what you thought to see if I thought you were forcing the style out.

The reason I didn't reply to your response earlier in the game was I didn't need to follow up. I processed your response and moved on.

That's not the worst reason to play Mafia that we've seen

Red is 'more' talkative as Town, sometimes.

Honestly, Red's contribution this game has been "I don't have reads like I did last game when there were only 2 scum" and "oh noes nobody is here to post when I'm posting, guess I can't offer any content"

It's a weird semi-defense of a lack of play

Peace___Frog posted...

Taking a short break from work to reread, and i forgot that sbell mentioned replacing Ulti on t1p1. For bringing it up twice... does sbell get lonely as scum? If he has red and sick Ulti on his team, maybe he doesn't really like talking to the other members and he wants Ulti to be replaced just so he'll have someone to talk to.

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