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so hitler would support the country that democratically elected a jewish man to lead it and that is breaking away from fascist russia?

i feel like he used to be a decent user but the small amount of time i have been on ce recently he seems to go overboard a lot and get riled up with little provocation.

hitler wasn't actually half jewish, that is a lie that anti semite fascists like the russian government are trying to push.

i have never and will never understand people that care about videogame women being 'hot'. like, it's a videogame. if you want porn you can find unlimited amounts of it for free within seconds.

has a good sense of humor
is confident and comfortable with herself
enjoys long jrpg sessions

Master_Kazuya posted...

If you're not acknowledging the same stats as I am, there's no discussion between us.

This is a little disingenuous and I don't think you're meaning to be. The basic answer is that we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. There's no commitment that breeding pitbulls out means that we have to do anything else.

It's also wrong to take safety precautions to an extreme to try and force a shock value dystopian agenda. Like, "hey we should age restrict movies, oh does that mean we should age restrict everything? Should we age restrict McDonalds because it's unhealthy? And have Big Brother tell us what to do??". I don't know how else to paint the ickyness of how doing that kinda thing feels right now, but there's no discussion to be had if everything is taken to a dystopian extreme.

Also, even if there is a dystopian extreme, that's not a good enough of a reason to ignore issues in the current moment. Just because you have a fear of where it can go doesn't mean that it's true and that it will play out exactly how you think. I think solving issues now also helps us solve issues later too, instead of not looking at them entirely because of not having faith in solving issues later.

To address your current questions, in order: It would stop pitbulls from being as common, dog attacks would not all magically stop, according to a website (https://www.warriorsforjustice.com/dog-biting-statistics-by-breed/) looks like Rottweilers and German Shepherds are the 2nd and 3rd, I think it'll stop at Pitbulls.

One thing I want to make note of is not the attacks, but the deaths. On that same website, Pitbulls had 295 deaths. The 2nd highest are Wolf-Dog hybrids with 19. Not only do pitbulls have 15x the deaths of the next highest breed, but the next highest breed are literally part wolf. Even looking at attacks alone, Pitbulls to Rottweilers were 6.3x and Rottweilers to German Shepherds were 4.3x. So even comparing 2 to 3 in your scenario of "what happens next", not only is the jump from Rottweiler to German Shepherd not as high as Pitbull to Rottweiler, but Rottweilers actually have less deaths than German Shepherds despite more attacks. Let me know if you need me to explain these figures again.

what is the statistical probability of someone that owns or associates with a pitbull getting attacked? i would wager it is something like a fraction of one percent. pitbulls are much more common and popular right now than rottweilers or german shepards so of course there would be more incidents involving pitbulls.

also, like someone else said, people consider tons of dogs pitbulls if they even vaguely resemble one.

the fact that out of millions of pitbulls in this country there are a couple hundred deaths over many years attributed to them (doubtless that some are misattributed too as people incorrectly label random dogs as pitbulls) shows that they aren't inherently dangerous. they certainly aren't more aggressive than a dalmatian or chow

Master_Kazuya posted...

Correlation is always important to examine. It's also important to narrow down correlations and figure out which factors to take out out to further explore ones that might matter. For example, we know that graduating high school is a significant factor in pursuing college. It doesn't prove that graduating hs means you go to college, it's just likely.

Also bringing it to executing white and black people doesn't have much to do with this thread, it seems like you're forcing a point out of shock value. Pitbulls are statistically dangerous, so it's important to look at correlating factors as to why. It's always important to examine. Lastly, pitbull breeds being an extreme outlier in dog attacks and being the sole outlier means that there should be something done about pitbulls even if we don't know why.

pitbulls are not statistically dangerous at all. dog attacks are incredibly rare to begin with, and idiots tend to describe various different breeds as 'pitbull'.

the kinds of people that think that dude is smart or a good source of information are the absolute dumbest and the dregs of society

WolfFangHowell posted...

You're the fucker crying about getting bullied. And uh, TRUMP! YEAH!!

Shut up.

found the trump cultist lol

the amount of pitbull attacks are statistically negligible. it is extremely rare and is almost always because they have a trash owner who mistreated them, much like any other dog attack.

30-50 lethal dog attacks a year in a country of 350 million + is hardly an issue, especially when that is all breeds of dogs. people trying to paint pitbulls as especially aggressive are either ignorant or intentionally presenting a bad faith narrative.

that ny post article is ridiculous but hilarious. it reads like a trashy british tabloid

right, who cares that you wanna ban random things for no apparent reason eh lol

it's super wild. ja decided to go buckwild this season out of nowhere

viewmaster_pi posted...

i LiTeRaLLy said the work would be safer for the workers and less disruptive for the people living there. you chose to make bullshit out of my words. it's all dudes like you do. you think you're the smartest person(s) in the room and just bullshit your way through threads. boring

that is not what you said at all and you specifically said you were fine with banning woodchippers

if you don't wanna get hit with shrapnel from the truth bomb it may be time for you to get out of the blast radius tbh

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no one is saying they are the same thing, just pointing out the logic is basically exactly the same. if someone is attempting to appeal to statistics without considering context they are using the same faulty logic as other people that do the same thing.

hockeybub89 posted...

Since when have I posted inflammatory garbage? Hell, I haven't even attacked a single innocent pit bull owner in this entire discussion. I don't go out of my way to aggravate or hurt people. I've done literally nothing different for years, but all of sudden all kinds of people have a problem with me?

you are generally a good poster imo, i just disagree with your opinion on this topic. most of the other anti pitbull brigaders tend to be overt trolls though

viewmaster_pi posted...

you are now crying over wood chippers. i just wanted to let you know where your posting went.

and by the way, reducing my words to infantile quips doesn't make you look smart

you literally said you are fine with woodchippers being banned because you don't like them. if you don't want your posts mocked maybe make better posts tbf

viewmaster_pi posted...

fuck big loud machines lol, i'm not gonna feel bad for that opinion

"if i don't like something it should be banned"

as someone that prefers cats, dogs are amazing animals as well.

viewmaster_pi posted...

... i mean... kind of. what's their big purpose? making tree removal and disposal faster? i see no big loss if they went away. in fact, the work would be quieter for the neighborhood, besides safer. seems kind of nice

what an absurd post

hockeybub89 posted...

We have to save people from themselves. Wood needs to be chipped. We don't need a specific dog breed that we bred to a body type that can easily rip any adult human to shreds. If video games could cut the head off any irresponsible gamer, I'd say maybe we need to address why we added such a dangerous feature, even if 99% of people keep their heads. Can we make a pit bull that is less dangerous? Wouldn't that basically result in what I'm calling for?

I'm not "blaming" pit bulls. That's like thinking people truly believe guns are responsible for shootings and that humans are blameless.

we don't 'need' any dog breed but lack of need isn't a good enough reason to eliminate something from existence imo. i guess i just don't follow the logic that a few unfortunate instances in a year is a reasonable justification for banning or eliminating an entire breed.

swimming pool drownings are comparable to pitbull related deaths, do you think swimming pools should be banned since no one actually needs them?

hockeybub89 posted...

I guess we can only do one thing at a time.

Most wood chippers kill no one, but maybe we shouldn't let them be near children.

you are so close to getting it.

do you think wood chippers should be banned or production stopped? i think if someone let's their kid crawl into a woodchipper unattended they should be punished much like if a parent let's their kid get mauled by a dog unattended they should be punished. i don't think we should take drastic action against an entire breed of dog because some people are morons.

Kakapo posted...

Its where the really fucking weird racism accusation against people who dislike pit bulls really falls apart.

Pitbulls were selectively bred over generations to be fighting dogs.

there is no racism accusation against pitbull haters, it is pointing out how the logic they use is exactly the same logic racists use. "this incredibly small fraction of a percent are bad so ban/kill them all" sounds absurd no matter how you try to frame it.

viewmaster_pi posted...

either outlaw breeding them entirely or heavily regulate it. i've regurgitated my position enough. i've never said to take people's dogs and kill them ffs

that is absurd as pitbull attacks are incredibly rare occurrences. how 'bout we regulate guns before we start trying to regulate what are almost always harmless pets.

viewmaster_pi posted...

while nobody says all sharks, nobody says all dogs, please stop inventing your own comparisons and gotchas. nobody has pet sharks ffs. shut up already

people that want to kill all of any one thing based on faulty statistics that lack context are ridiculous and don't have a legitimate argument if they are even acting in good faith at all. you seem unable to even articulate your actual position, probably because you know it is dumb and indefensible.

hockeybub89 posted...

Clearly the breed attracts worse owners or requires more attentive owners. Pit bulls only exist because humans created them. We stop breeding them and we don't have to worry at all.

dogs in general only exist because people created them. i don't really think the circumstances of 'why' something exists really matters when they do exist. shitty pet owners exist and should be punished when they cause harm, that doesn't mean an entire breed of dogs is somehow at fault for the negligence of a few people.

viewmaster_pi posted...

so you're saying he's probably also racist because he thinks the number of pit bulls killing people are a problem. a bit of a gross leap. i kinda think you guys just want a quick and easy way to insult anti-pitbullers tbh

uhh no, i already said i know he isn't racist because i am familiar with his posting habits.

reread that again slowly

the quick and easy was is just showing how they irrationally hate something based on no actual good reason. if you hated and wanted to kill all sharks because they killed a few people it would be just as ridiculous and irrational.

hockeybub89 posted...

And it's fucking bullshit. I'm so tired of being bullied when I have never hurt anyone. All because I said some dog breeds should stop being bred. I'd also be upset if someone compared me to a racist for disliking Republican politicians. Context is important. One would have to A) believe in race and B) say negative things about the human groupings we call "race" to sound like a racist. Otherwise, you could twist logic to say any negative attack on anything sounds like what a racist would say

no one is bullying you, people are just calling out your absurd logic and giving examples as to why it is faulty. obv you are not a racist and that is obvious, but the logic you try to use to negatively paint pitbulls is the same faulty logic racists use to demonize black people. by pointing that out my goal is to show you how silly it is to vehemently attack pitbulls when something less than a tenth of a percent of them are actually attacking people.

hockeybub89 posted...

But why do you think they are making that comparison? No one says anything for no reason. There is always an agenda. The specific choice of "black crime statistics" was on purpose.

because it is easy to see the parallel between people just using statistics for an agenda without looking at context or caring about the underlying causes. if you feel personally attacked you should probably be better and actually take an objective look at things instead of mindlessly parroting bullshit faulty logic.

hockeybub89 posted...

Stop fucking comparing human beings to dogs

I sure hope you're consistent and also compare meat-eating to cannibalism and service animals to slaves.

i am not comparing humans to dogs at all, i am comparing faulty logic to faulty logic. if you are willing to use statistics to vilify something while ignoring context in one area you are willing to do it in another area.

the only way people can justify their irrational hatred of an entire dog breed is by citing statistics without bothering to look at any context...kinda like the exact tactic racists use.

Thud posted...

I like how the gfaqs mods are totally cool with comparing black people to dogs. Really speaks volumes, doesn't it?

lol not surprising that someone shouting racist rhetoric is also incapable of reading

Thud posted...

>compares black people to dogs
>calls a black man a "troll" and proceeds to insult him and say he's actually a white guy

Pit defenders, everyone

"please stop calling out my racist tendencies"

nah

Lairen posted...

No one brings up races of people in these topics except people that defend pitbulls....

when you use the exact same logic racists use it will be called out

Questionmarktarius posted...

There is no MNBA. The only "exclusion" is based on ability and merit, not the presence or lack of a penis.

all high end sports leagues are exclusionary. now you want to add qualifiers after your original assertion got blown up lol

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that one guy is obviously a troll and the people that try to demonize pitbulls because of statistics that show like less than a tenth of a percent of them actually attack anyone are the same people that try to use statistics to dehumanize black people.

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/5/AAEhCpAAERG1.png

thanks for posting this as it completely destroys the 'human influenced climate change is fake' narrative lol. something that took 20k-50k years to happen is happening now in less than a century. does this help you understand how man made carbon emissions are much more damaging than something that occurred naturally over tens of thousands of years? @questionmarktarius

Questionmarktarius posted...

Kinda, but it's asstons of volcanos and random methane events, instead of venture capital.

now research the difference between climate change caused by humans and naturally occurring instances versus the damage humans have done in just the last 50 years and report back to us with the difference.

DrizztLink posted...

Dude said we need to curtail fossil fuels in five years, not that we'd be dead in five years.

this. it would be comical how right wingers constantly self own if it wasn't so depressing how there are so many legitimately dumb people in this country.

Thud posted...

I'm black. What now?

you are very obviously a white basement dweller...lol it is obvious. try again on your next alt when that one is banned.

the type of people that argue pitbulls are 'just different' and 'just dangerous' are the exact same types that would argue the same about black people.

GranolaPanic posted...

I would post a picture of her again, but I dont want you or another person say that theyll kill her like last time.

If you saw how tiny and frail she is, youd understand how absurd it is to think she could hurt anyone.

those types are basement dwellers that are too scared to interact with people irl. if someone has under 100 karma and is posting idiotic shit they are just a constantly banned user who makes dozens of accounts fyi

it's wild how new/novice users expect people to take them seriously or treat them like real users tbh

Questionmarktarius posted...

If anything, this is desegregation of exclusionary leagues.

every high end league is exclusionary. adding words like that doesn't actually describe anything and eliminating a gender or sex divide won't make them less exclusionary.

crypto is a scam for regular people, even more than the regular stock market is a scam for regular people. it isn't collapsing though, at least not yet.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Desegregate sports.

How is that any different from right now? Apart from, you know, a handful of exclusionary leagues existing.

tens of thousands of women compete in competitive collegiate sports, not to mention the professional leagues.