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When Elder Scrolls VI comes out a decade from now I'll consider my options.

Daremo posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqXSBe-qMGo

He's talking about her butthole.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/6/AAX-6ZAAEqDu.png

Not in this case.

I enjoyed it.. my only issue was I couldn't sit through Wandavision's sitcom episodes long enough to get to the actual meat of the story. Ended up having to research the show to have any understanding of what was going on.

Oh come on. Mog is barely a character.

EthanSilver posted...

My memory can be real shit sometimes. So most definitely yes ngl.

To the point of headaches even... lol

"Ethan, why you do this to yourself..."

I'm legitimately taking a shower because of a headache from doing just that. Lol. Ibuprofen, shower, ice pack. Gogogooooo!

EthanSilver posted...

Agreed. Cheers!

Shall we be a beacon for the future of digital dialogue(internet discourse is starting to sound redundant).

If only. :/

Wandering__Hero posted...

As someone only skimming the thread I can confirm that if you've been having a back and fourth argument for 100+ posts you're guaranteed to go nowhere after the first 20 or 30 if not sooner

Scroll to the end brother! We did it! We achieved it!

EthanSilver posted...

Nobody words everything perfectly. The point is in trying to understand what is being said.

Do you ever read through the sea of text and get overloaded? I swear I spent most of my time in the last couple hours scrolling up and down to make sure I wasn't making things up. Lol.

EthanSilver posted...

Nobody words everything perfectly. The point is in trying to understand what is being said.

It happens. We are human. Owning up to our errors is what matters.

We can be allies, honest.

::Hug::

I'll tag you as a homey.

Honestly the internet makes things harder. I truly believe if we were sitting down for a drink, none of these misunderstandings would have occured.

And I will say that you lead with that and actual made me feel shame.. Good job. But everything after just had absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying.

EthanSilver posted...

I won't reply to you further if it's not about the topic at hand, post 170 specifically. At this point I don't think you want to have a discussion. That or your pride won't let you admit mistakes on your end...

Bro you literally avoided your actual good argument in place of a strawman. You were never having a discussion to begin with.

EthanSilver posted...

Pointing out we shouldn't be overzealous\toxic in terms of making people adhere to standard "masculine" values is, and I quote:

Yeah okay body.. and that's ignoring what you've called said peeps earlier, and I also quote:

You could have just said that. Everything else you said was pretty pointless, but you know you're right on this account. I was not acting in the light of the values I espoused.

EthanSilver posted...

lol... oh you. *pats head*

Are you trying to obfuscate the debate/sea lion? Is that what it is? You'll have to try harder. Because if so I've seen it done better. So it's not going to work at that level.

You take that as an attempt to confuse you?

I'm merely taking something away from your right wing liberals and Putin troll farms comments to sidestep from the fact that liberals attack people on the internet. Because every other argument you've made has had nothing to do with anything I've said.

Jesus Christ.

I'm not some neo-con here to attack your ideals. I'm just here to say a lot of y'all shouldn't be engaging with others on the internet over anything of actual importance. Because you're just making it worse.

No where did I say conservatives are faultless or not responsible for the perpetuating of suffering for incels. You're strawmanning the fuck out of my argument.

But as a liberal having a discussion with another liberal, my aim is to pinpoint things we as a people can do to be better. I'm not here to jerk each other off over disliking conservative values.

Honestly I'm having a hard time even understanding what you're arguing besides "Liberals don't attack. We're the good guys. It must be conservatives pretending to be liberals."

Because I agree that conservatives, and subconsciously some liberals, are responsible for perpetuating toxic values.

EthanSilver posted...

I'm specifically blaming the GoP, multiple times too.

At this point, it seems you want to "nitpick..." not discuss this out.

Blaming the GoP for perpetuating toxic masculinity?

When did I say they were or weren't? Or if that's your point at all.

EthanSilver posted...

No, you can't rephrase it into a strawman, of the GoPs making... Let me explain "my" stance. Fair?

You want honest debate or what?

Calling a little boy a pussy for showing a moment of weakness would be "toxic" masculinity.

Teaching a little boy to be tough and not sweat the small stuff would not be "toxic" masculinity.

Where is the confusion? You even said you agree with me. Some dude getting brainwashed and feeling down because of said lies doesn't belittle my point in any way.

If anything, that's on the GoP for being lying douchebags.

You're just making this assumption that I can't separate toxic masculinity from healthy masculinity based off of absolutely nothing. Which is literally a strawman.

Masked-One posted...

If it's not personally targeted then it's just not as bad. When a guy is isolated and airing his greievances he takes note of who sees fit to emotionally abuse him at his lowest point.

This.

I don't really understand the mental gymnastics required to ignore the fact that every time a dude brings up inequality in dating, it's always met with attacks and never "Hey bro, I really think speaking to a therapist would help you. You have tons of value and don't need people to validate you. Find peace and learn to love yourself and you my friend will find love."

EthanSilver posted...

That's just you being played by the right.

The issue is in "toxic" masculinity.

It's fine to, say, encourage a boy to be tough, and not let the little things get to them. That's perfectly fine.

What is not okay is if the boy, as a human, shows a moment of "weakness," or emotions... and he get's called a "pussy" or something.

You are getting cornered into a false dichotomy. When it's not an A or B situation. Black or white. It's more grey. Something one tackles in a case by case basis.

Um.. I'm not sure how this applies to what I said.

Let me rephrase.

I think the rise of incels has to coincide with traditional(toxic) values still being programmed into men. Where if they fail to adhere to those programmed values, they immediately lose confidence.

Because I agree with everything you said man.

Kimberly posted...

And you don't believe you're confusing correlation with causation whatsoever here?

I think that's just one little sliver of causation. I'm heavily focused on it because it's the one that we as normal people are most capable of affecting. I really have to dig in a bit more to be more secure in other reasons. The reason they exist is more complex than the reason why they're being radicalized. Which I stand firm by my stance that the state of internet team politics being the primary reason why..

But let me say I appreciate you. You are exactly what a person should be when confronting someone who might think differently from you.

EthanSilver posted...

Those phrases don't require a direct confrontation. They are ideals perpetuated by the right which belittle such guys, innately.

I think you touched on a very important point. The vestiges of masculinity that conservatives are desperately trying to preserve are innately harmful towards modern men.

We're moving towards equality and enduring growing pains as a result. If a man is programmed to think he needs to adhere to traditional concepts of masculinity, he's going to lose confidence and begin down the road of the incel.

EthanSilver posted...

lol

Citation needed, and your ass doesn't count. Nor a random nobody on the internet.

Lol. Dude, both sides fucking suck with regard to having any kind of constructive discourse with the opposition.

You can say something mildly liberal or conservative and there's gonna be some asshole there to shoehorn you into the opposition. I'm fucking liberal as fuck and I get called alt right all the time because I don't take some black and white stance.

Kimberly posted...

That's an overly simplistic view on the problem that highlights more about your personal political views than it does the circumstances that lead people (and young men specifically) down the path of radicalization.

I'm of the belief that both sides are awful at actually trying to convince people of their ideals and do more to push people away. Just look at any comment section and you'll find our best and brightest out there furthering their causes with ad hominem attacks.

So radicalization doesn't surprise me in the least. It goes back to the polarization that's occuring. You either pick a team or have no team at all. One team says "Bro it's their fault, not yours. Libs are pussifying this country," and the other says "Everything about you is wrong and you must change for us to accept you."

It's easy to assume why the incel will join the Andrew Tate brigade.

EthanSilver posted...

Can't think of any that would be of equal proportion. Read, "equal proportion."

I mean, there's definitely very isolated groups of liberals that probably froth at the mouth towards the idea of a white male genocide. But that's like an infinitely small amount of people compared to the team the conservatives are fielding.

EthanSilver posted...

Same person.

Pathetic means something that provokes pity. I'm not out here painting swathes of lonely angry virgins as ultimate evils like people enjoy doing.

TheShadowGuy posted...

There is a study on this to my knowledge but I haven't gotten time to look at it in-depth. For the topic itself, it's implied if there is a bias it's minor in magnitude. The relevant finding is: 38.85% of the incel participants were right-leaning, 44.70% were left-leaning, and 17.47% were centrist.

Keep in mind, it is natural for the sample to be absolutely more left wing percentage wise as that is typical of young people. They do not mention the control group's breakdown in the news link, which would be informative. (Example, it could be 46 left vs 35 right for the control group)

https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/news/incels-are-not-particularly-right-wing-or-white-but-they-are-
extremely-depressed-anxious-and-lonely-according-to-new-research

Obviously combine the two lines for the news link. It's probably located at the usual source to get papers if one doesn't want to email the researchers themselves.

I mean, it's not outlandish for a person who is sexually frustrated to solely be misogynistic and not hateful towards other groups. And tell me some dude living off of his Mom doesn't love the concept of UBI.

I'ma eat that shitter like an apple fritter.

Population density isn't the only factor to consider. I live in a relatively small city, but the infrastructure is fucking awful and causes constant traffic jams.

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The huge issue is the political polarization that pushes them into Andrew Tate land. I guess I would like to see more compassion with the goal of actually changing these people. Not villainizing them with the only possible result being pushing them further into it. Which is all I really ever see when people speak about the group.

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Because if you've met many of them, their hatred is towards themselves. They elevate women so much in their minds that they have to tear them down to feel better about themselves. They shouldn't be demonized, they need to feel comfortable enough to accept therapy to overcome their problems.

I understand why you would think I meant differently though.

EthanSilver posted...

The problem is that I'm on real life groups. Not made up roles. I think with emotions he says... >.>

Even in fiction sometimes the "white" knight can indeed be just, and a stand up fellow. Or one could argue as such. Sometime overzealous and actually "evil." So to speak.

Same with "Dark" Knights. Like Bat Man, maybe...

Either way, focus, we are on real life here. Not fiction.

Nevermind.

It's not important. I'm merely saying you can parallel things without them being exactly the same. I used a benign subject that isn't emotionally charged to see if you would understand.

You don't.

Have a good day.

Carljank posted...

This is the high quality discourse he wss talking about.

No one's talking to you.

EthanSilver posted...

There is a robust symbiosis between misogyny and white supremacy; the two ideologies are powerfully intertwined. While not all misogynists are racists, and not every white supremacist is a misogynist, a deep-seated loathing of women acts as a connective tissue between many white supremacists, especially those in the alt right, and their lesser-known brothers in hate like incels (involuntary celibates)

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/When%20Women%20are%20the%20Enemy%20-The%20Intersection%20of%20Misogyny%20and%20White%20Supremacy.pdf

Ok?

EthanSilver posted...

Huh?

Am I being trolled again. "Fantasy world..." you for real?

So normally one would say that black knights and white knights are parallels.

You wouldn't based off of what you said because the most important thing is that black knights are evil and can't possibly be paralleled with white knights.

I'm using a topic that isn't emotionally charged, because you appear to be someone who thinks with their heart.

Quezovercoatl posted...

Letting people know the problem is they're an asshole is never going to be popular even when it's true.

Another reason why our country needs to take mental health more seriously. These dudes need therapy to be able to accept that they are indeed the problem and that it's fixable.

EthanSilver posted...

Because a "white knight" is not a liberal equivalent. That's why. Even if you might really wish there it was to cope with certain positions you might have.

Focus. The "hate" is the difference. A huge one at that.

So in a fantasy world, you wouldn't parallel a black knight and a white knight?

Carljank posted...

Keep your redpill propaganda to yourself clown.

God I have no clue if you're a troll or not, but people like you are essentially poison for discourse.

EthanSilver posted...

I suppose in that one goes to jail, and the other doesn't. Yeah.

But if one asks the question "what led to such actions..." then you start touching on my point. "White Knights," have been around forever... too. And have never been seen as a dangerous group. Annoying at worst.

Not your toxic "pathetic virgin's" schtick.

Well yeah the other doesn't go to jail because he didn't do anything wrong.

Why are you assuming I'm saying they're exactly the same? I'm just saying the liberal equivalent to an incel is a white knight. Just the same as a dark knight is the evil equivalent to a white knight.

And there's a huge difference between a sad neckbeard incel who "hates" women and a mass murderer who legitimately hates women.

EthanSilver posted...

Nope. Annoying maybe.

But not hateful towards woman to the point of wishing harm.

They don't have to be exactly the same to parallel each other. They're both pathetic virgins, the difference being in how they handle it. One thinks if he bows low enough and digs his nose deep enough, women will finally want him. The other thinks if he had more money and was better looking, women will finally want him.

The defining difference being one blames themselves(as they should) and one blames everyone else.

I think the white knight is the liberal equivalent of an incel. Still doesn't get laid, but lawd is that dude overly passionate about women's rights.

008Zulu posted...

Unpopular opinion, the Buffy Musical episode sucked. Not just because most of the actors have no singing talent, but the story was contrived.

Nah the story was great, but god the singing is awful at times. The cringe for me in Under Your Spell when Tara hits that Cher-esque "comPLeeEEEEEtteee".

Sticking your dick in it is fine..

Doing anything else for it is the problem.

Zonbei posted...

Yeah, to people that suck, thats true. I dont tend to get along with assholes, bigots, trolls, or malicious morons. You may have noticed all I did was point out that blaming all 261 users for whatever the fuck is silly, and Aloc decided to be shitty about it and start attacking me for shit that happened ages ago. Clearly, Im the one thats awful to be around. Its not this board being a toxic shithole even before 261 closed, now only made worse by dumbass tribalism.

Hot tip, if Im being awful to you its probably because youre acting like a jerk.

You kinda come across as an asshole with a fragile ego. Like you have a hard time handling dissent and automatically have to denigrate a person to devalue their opinion to feel secure in yours.

And just to be clear, it's all in the way you talk. This polarized vision of you being the enlightened intelligent one and anyone who opposes you is an idiot. You should work on that, I bet a lot of people in your life look down on you for it.

I'll take the karma loss here mods.. don't really care.

I would personally stream my live reactions and commentary and then record my thoughts afterwards.

And then cut everything together for a YT video.

Glad to see curly crushing the competition.

Curly, seasoned, and shoe string are the only good ones. The less surface area the better, though if they're seasoned well enough they're all good.

Chick-fil-A has the worst fries in the world. Unseasoned mashed potato tasting ass fries.