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just neighbors, not masons

where i'm at currently. this is prob too easy but hey it's a starting point

Town
Chang
IGCD
Ulti
Death (but sheep/peaf should clear)

Likely Town
Peaf
BCT

Lean Town
Red
FD
Isquen

Mzero Inactive
Sheep

POE
Wallz
Ctes

Dream

oh ya go my braves

uh huh

Isquen posted...

It has plenty of "bearing" considering the reads and misreads certain people had after the fact before he pulled a disappearance.

But, since it was indeed claimed in topic 2, Small Town Sheriff, town Jailkeeper.

ViolentAbacus posted...

I will go ahead since FD and Peaf are requesting it, and I'll be gone again before too long.

Small Town Sheriff, TOWN Jailmaster

Jailkeeper or Jailmaster?

chewtle is funny!

calyrex 2 places 2 high

hi isquen! can you restate your claim for us? thanks <3

kk so no town points for activity

Wow. I was in that game too and I have absolutely no memory of this

can anyone who played/hosted that game wallz was scum in tell me if he posted this much / put this much effort in to that game?

the effort is looking townish to me here but the content mostly makes no logical sense to me and i don't remember wallz being that kind of player for me

PeaceFrog posted...

Chances that red is scum with dumey and dumey previously mentioned wanting to fake claim motion detector, and red responded to that instead of his actual post?

He's a good player so it's just a matter of if pure laziness outweighed that.

low i think, he wouldn't make that mistake as scum imo. i have him solidly in town pile at the moment

BOB

caps

choices

calyrex ought to be last place.

i put blipbug very middle of the pack!

something you said cannot possibly be true, but it wouldn't be possible for you to know that with the information you have

oh it just clicked for me with this recent string of posts. Dumey is lying.

a bit unfortunate for him, really. he got tripped up by information the scum team almost certainly could not have had access to. he's as good as lynched today anyway, and there's potential that this piece of info could continue to flummox the scum team so I'd prefer not to further explain what I mean by this.

and the chat* would effectively be useless

PeaceFrog posted...

Could it just be that if you were masons, you would stay in chat after death instead of going to dtc?

also to address from earlier

Corrik felt absolutely certain after it was confirmed that dead neighbors would be removed from the chat that it 100% confirmed that at least one of us had to be scum. because if you killed the scum neighbor they could sit there and still relay all the info back to the scum team / taunt / troll the remaining neighbors in the chat, and it would effectively be useless

it's a reasonable argument, but I think it's also possible that for balance reasons they just decided they didn't want dead town players able to help solve the game / didn't want them to share any possible action results on the night they were killed with alive players

bit of a strange target choice though i'm not gonna lie

any way IGCD breadcrumbed protection or something?

well tbh if abacus said "yeah i targeted IGCD" we could have surmised from IGCD's earlier comments

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I said I learned absolutely nothing as in I was role blocked.

oh well ninja'd i guess

PeaceFrog posted...

@ chang - as confirmed neighbor and basically confirmed town, do you think abacus should reveal his n1 target? I think yes for a few reasons:
1. If he is scum then locking him in to a n1 claim earlier means he has less wiggle room in the future.
2. If he is town then he is informing us who he roleblocked n1 which could be useful information for us to assess later.
2 addendum. The target should not confirm if they were or were not blocked because we don't need power outing themselves if they are power, or a non acting role to give that info to scum and increase the likelihood of scum hitting power with kills at night (even though I'd bet that chang or fd will have to die tonight)

i pretty much agree with all of this. i don't really see a downside to him sharing the target so long as that person doesn't say anything about whether they were RB'd.

MZero isnt claiming to have killed SBell in this game

hes adding one to the tally of how many times scum SBell has gotten the short end of the stick, referencing when he shot scum SBell in Elden Ring mafia

hello MZero hows it going?

any thoughts on this game or just elden ring mafia ones

raven

htaeD posted...

No way EDumey uses that kind of scan on Corrik instead of the actual claimed vanilla

yeah i feel the same way

Ironically this is how it went down

me: FD what do you plan to do in the scenario where you go hard on corrik for 36 hours and then he says "oh yeah i was joking about the miller thing"
which is incredibly predictable on my end

FD: Pivot to wallz

me: why don't we just fastforward through this then
i already know that's going to happen

FD: You're welcome to push wallz. I'm going to push the guy who is effectively claiming "double miller"

me: oh shit
i think he died
he's not in the discord anymore
@FD

FD: Yeah the topic just went up
I guess I'll post my post anyways since I do have to go away now

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh no talk at all whatsoever?

Not even anything recently.

FD hasnt been back online since the topic went up. I think he mentioned a family event he was going to tonight.

As soon as the topic went up it was like a oh shit corriks gone and then he dipped out for his IRL thing so expecting some thoughts from him later tonight or tomorrow for sure

Leafeon13N posted...

Chang I would like the entirety of how your role/scan played out in neighbor chatm

i never claimed in neighbor chat. None of us did

And corrik was removed from the chat immediately when night actions were due before i got any word back from the hosts, so it would just be FD i was explaining things to after that and he might be scum

anyways while we wait for the EU crew to wake up and everybody to get their 2 cents in anybody bored and wanna chat about hobbies and stuff

i've been playing the One Piece TCG recently which as my first physical card game has been a bit expensive but fun! going to my first (online) regional next weekend so we'll see how that goes after i won a couple locals.

also my friend lent me his (cheapest) camera and I've been trying out some photography out and about for fun, though I know nothing of technique or anything. anyone else have a camera they like to use?

wallmasterz posted...

Especially in light of Dumey being basically confirmed as scum

wanted peaf to address this before i did so now that he did...

assuming dumey flips scum, peaf is like 99% assuredly town. it makes no sense for him to knowingly swap trains for effectively no reason if he's scum and they're coordinating things in scum chat

i think regardless we have to lynch. i know abacus claimed a renamed role as well but the rename doesn't make much sense here.

and the role itself is a little strange too because it's theoretically another retooled cop after we already had one retooled cop flip in sultan.

also why would you not scan the claimed vanilla (BCT) if you made the connection to it being like a vanilla cop

wallmasterz posted...

True, and Im guessing its a single use role?

let's just say i know everything that happens in my neighborhood

who says i'm a watcher

the odds of ninja + whatever town investigative type role he will claim vs. simply Dumey being the killer is very much not in his favor

masterplum posted...

yes, I would have just demanded a claim

but at this point I think we are pot commited and have to just lynch him. He obviously will claim scanner or something

ye my bad. though in reality not sure how much it changes things really

ok i definitely should have waited that was really stupid of me actually

now he has prep time i am an idiot

wallmasterz posted...

Chang, youre very wrong bro. Your top two are definitely town. Can we see your bottom two so we know who to actually investigate?

very well. i wanted to be patient here and wait for him to show up organically but i'm too excited about this and plus you're prompting me here

wallz, will you be a dear for me and ping Dumey in the scum discord so he can show up and answer why I saw him visiting Corrik's house in my neighborhood last night

anyways that being said here's the post you would have gotten from FD or Corrik if i were dead:

If you're reading this it's because I'm dead now. Here's everything I can contribute from my understanding of how day 1 played out:

Town locks: plum, IGCD, ulti
Town lock but is Death so I'm always cautious and someone else needs to corroborate: Death
Very likely town: Abacus, probably BCT too but less sure literally don't even bother with the top 3 people i guarantee they are town or at bare minimum definitely not scum

unless you have night actions suggesting otherwise I don't think you should lynch anyone who didn't end the day on Sultan.

You have 6 options here, and i'd guess around 2 or 3 of them are scum:

Red: red spent almost the entire day either talking about how to visit disneyland best or being surprised at people's word choice in completely random posts. he voted sultan for being "kind of a quiet one" and then skipped deadline. That's an extremely poor showing, even by red's day 1 standards.

Lea: Lea was more afk and less funny than usual, which are probably both bad signs. Then out of virtually nowhere, she showed up at the end to really lead the charge on Sultan. If scum, she probably has the extra kill or another 1-use type of ability she can get out of the way on Night 1 and then is prepared to die on day 2 lynch if necessary.

Dumey: Dumey, despite his analytical reputation, didn't really seem to bring much of that to this lynch. he kind of put the onus on other people to make arguments and then let himself get persuaded on one. possibly a scum mentality but i don't feel particularly strongly about him rn

Wallz: just kill this guy already man just trust me ok please

Peaf: peaf's vote honestly makes no sense to me. he was on board with voting for wallz and then suddenly swaps to sultan because of some flimsy reasoning about lea and sultan having a history of bussing. There wasn't even another candidate gaining steam! absolutely no reason to swap votes to sultan if you were fine with wallz or sultan lynch. just a very very strange move, and he frames it as being led to do so by dumey. but dumey was asking Peaf why he should swap to Wallz!

FD: FD is currently in the lead ahead of Corrik in terms of which of my neighbors I'm most suspicious of. partially because his opinions are so so soooo different from mine on basically every player in the game, and partially because he intends to start gunning after corrik tomorrow which i think is a total waste of time on day 2 when we have literally just experienced a very strange lynch on day 1 which was so so subject to scum manipulation

so anyways start looking at people in roughly this order plz: Wallz > Lea > Peaf > Red > FD > Dumey

and good luck!

(obviously you can disregard the part about Lea now)

oh btw we found out at the beginning of the night that someone who dies gets deleted from the chat so Corrik is no longer with us.

so let me try and compile some of corrik's thoughts here. He didn't want to write a post-death note like FD and I did (he said "He who prepares the obit for no reason and is scum is just playing for dramatics") but i tried to ask him some questions to at least get some insight:

I asked "anything you want to let the people know, Corrik?" and he said "Stop being stupid and killing obvious town. I haven't even read end of day yet tbqh. I'll wait to see if I am dead or not before I commit to that but I can't see being shot. FD keeps role fishing me so it's possible but who would shoot a poorly lowly miller"

"It's interesting FD had no real analysis about the end of the day in his death write up or the entire game state. Just all me and a small plum bit"

"I feel like FD got saved. But I don't feel good about your play either chang. I'm a tad sad that FD has been hostile this game. Just saw he called someone else an idiot during the game as well. Calm down, bruh. You have to know full well saying "I'm town" doesn't mean anything. That's BCT levels of response. It's natural to be suspected when your alignment is unknown. It's kinda off-putting for someone of your caliber to have newbie like responses to natural suspicion."

"Pretty much. BCT isn't looking good imo but not sure.I think he knew Sultan was town, but I wouldn't expect him to know that. I only have a gut read that one of Death or Corrik is scum. Also think Sultan is just town trying to get lynched for Champs. Not really how gut works and seems to know Sultan is town imo"

(i asked for thoughts on Red)

"Red isn't generally readable day 1. He doesn't do shit until he gets enough information to make assessments. He doesn't start to become readable until later. Hostility is a town tell of red though. He gets all pissed off and pissy when he thinks people aren't listening to him when he is town.
It's something I have weighed with FD. He has been openly hostile to anyone at all that would question him being town. Is that a townnnn trait for him or other alignment. It's peculiar how often and quickly it has descended to there."

hmmm this is very strange.

why would they kill Lea of all people? did she accidentally hint at being power?

she was going to be one of my top suspects today

UltimaterializerX posted...

Read the flips -_-

oh sorry got too hyped up at the actual kills i didn't even read oops

##Vote: Lea

lemme just do that and see if that works or she's dead but with no open flip or day commuting or some nonsense like that

Yamcha'd
Sultan: Dick Tracy, TOWN PT Cop (LD1)
Lea: (KD1)
SBell: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper (KN1)
Corrik: Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor (KN1)

soooo uhh is Lea dead or what's going on with that

FD spent all night arguing that corrik was scum and now he flipped town lmfao

job

anyways i'm off for the night, hopefully you do good at the deadline!

don't lynch sultan plz