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DKBananaSlamma posted...

Did he really or is his lawyer just pushing for insanity to soften the sentence?

Insanity rulings are typically even worse.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Im not talking about the government level. This thread is about how we are supposed to feel about that video. And my reaction is exactly what I said it was. Wheres the outrage for October 7th and wheres concern for the hostages? You dont see it in these protests at all.

Because the point of protests aren't "let me show you how mad I am", the point of protests is to demand those with the power to change the situation to actually do so.

When you aim for peace, you aim for the root, not the face level symptom. When one side is vastly more powerful than the other, typically that root problem lies with oppression. We've seen this plenty before. Recently, with police among minorities. Historically, with Nazis onto the Jews. In Israel, the oppression is made upon the Palestinian people by Israel. The symptom to come out of that? Hamas - Propped up and strengthened by Israel. The way to fix it lies with Israel and it's not through constant brutality.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

And all it took was a massacre of 1200 Israelis and 239 people being kidnapped for people to march.

What a wonderful world we live in.

I'd probably say the 10,000+ Palestinians killed are probably the reason for that.

These people marching aren't celebrating those killed in 10/7. Watch less Fox news please.

Guide posted...

Naming habits change with the times.

This. You won't find a lot of younger Karens.

Earthbound defines this.

It's a fake manifesto.

It has massive "Blacks Rule!" energy, and it was Steven Crowder who first leaked it. That should tell you enough.

darkace77450 posted...

In Texas, Abbott blamed mental illness for the Uvalde shooting in the same year he slashed mental healthcare programs. It's 100% a deflection away from gun control legislation, which I'll remind everyone is something with bipartisan support among voters.

Not that a voter's voice really matters much, sadly enough, when the options are corrupt vs even more corrupt.

Well, the mental illness discussion is used typically to draw away from gun control discussion because it's fairly well known that there's no real big call for mental illness reform.

Soulless

creativerealms posted...

No American president is going to turn on Israel. Even when they shoukd.

Correct.

Well.... exception goes for former US presidents. Jimmy Carter has criticized Israel and even wrote a book on the Palestinian relations. "Peace not Apartheid."

Evil_Nice_Guy posted...

Why is it some people here are so quick to believe what a terrorist group like Hamas says over what the IDF says? I'm not saying that the IDF isn't capable of blowing up a place with civilians in it (they've done it before), but it's just weird to me that some people in this topic were so willing to take the word of a terrorist group.

Did Hamas even say anything in the matter for us to believe?

Hell, I'd say I believe Israel's warning to that same hospital days prior more than anything.

You put so much stock in Hamas' ability to control media influence and propaganda, yet none in literally America/Israel's? Think, who's more likely to be able to control the narrative more here? A terrorist group currently nestled in the dark or literally the most powerful entity in the world?

LaManoNeraII posted...

Im saying Hamas will not accept a two state solution and that Palestine will be far safer if Hamas was destroyed rather than if Israel was destroyed. And literally every nation in the west thinks so, which is why they all are supporting Israel and not Hamas.

And the only people who should be banned are the anti Semites who refuse to condemn the constant terrorists attacks they face every day. If America didnt constantly replenish the Iron Dome there would be far more dead Israelis than 1500. Its revolting how you all just ignore that

I don't know how many times people have to repeat that they don't condone what Hamas has done. All you're doing is constantly drawing the conversation and focus to a group that's actually far less important than the one with the power and ability and the evil to commit genocide.

Good interview despite it being Piers Morgan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4idQbwsvtUo

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Theres a reason why this conflict continues to go around in circles. Hamas greatest weapon right now is misinformation and social media. These toxic conversations are exactly what they want.

Who do you think is more capable of delivering misinformation and propaganda? Hamas or the state that has the backing of the whole western world with their hands in pretty much every major news network?

Yo_D_oY posted...

Show me the evidence of Israel invading and deliberately slaughtering innocent civilians on foreign land for no reason but to start or escalate a conflict.

Time to do some research, buddy.

Sure, if you don't trust information of the past week, look into history which is far more set in stone at this point.

LaManoNeraII posted...

Hamas is not a sovereign nation and they themselves are not abiding by the rules of war or any international accords. THEY ARE TERRORISTS

And I suppose because of that brand, you consider them more evil than warmongering nations with far more power than they do?

Yo_D_oY posted...

The amount of anti-Israel and blame-Israel-first I see in this thread... and everywhere else on the internet sure explains to me how Hitler's genocide came to be in the first place.

Hamas are literally terrorists that committed a terrorist attack half the size of 9/11 on the holiest day for Jews, they are using Palestinians as human shields, they have no care in the world other than killing Jews, and so many of you are on the cusp of backing them. It's asinine.

Wars are incredibly difficult to document factually on the spot. There's a lot of misinformation in this very thread that's been debunked since this incident. But the fact of the matter is that one side are literal terrorists and the other is retaliating to a massive terrorist attack and many of you are blaming Israel every chance you get. It's unreal.

No one's backing Hamas here. We're just not turning a blind eye to Israel terrorism either. What debunked information btw? I only know of Israel constantly walking back their propaganda after being proven lies. Who do you think has more capabilities to push out false information between Hamas and Israel? Think, bro. Also, do some history research. If you truly think that the side mostly likely of genocide are the ones standing by Palestinians, then you haven't been paying attention.

VFalcone posted...

The US, or Biden, must not be confident on who did it yet

They know who did it. They knew who did it before any of us even heard of the situation happening.

Anyway good post here.

https://twitter.com/nkulw/status/1714421957368660164

Tom_Joad posted...

JDAMs don't have whistles.

Secondly, a whistle isn't a targeting system.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1714359458967466235

That video was the only verified post of the attack. All the ones that Israel posted aren't verified and they keep deleting it. They also warned to evacuate this hospital (and 5 other nearby ones). Wow. Just random rogue Hamas bomb lands there. What a coincidence.

Whistle from the bomb seems to match JDAM. The whistle is a targeting system. Hamas likely doesn't have access to those. Also proves it was TARGETTED which goes against Israel's claim that it was a failed missile from Hamas.

SaikyoStyle posted...

It appears being critical of Israel is less politically damaging in Canada than it is in the US.

Probably because the bombs being used by Israel was actually produced and manufactured by our wonderful country.

Starks posted...

The likely issue is that the video time stamp doesn't match the reporting of when the hospital was hit.

That's exactly what it was. Them trying to hide their tracks says a lot. Piece of shit IDF

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714371894521057737?s=20

Israel tried to post fake video footage on Twitter and was called out on it, so they edited it. You can click on "Last edited" to see prior post. They tried to lie to you. You caught them.

I see... so a misfired missile just happened to hit a major hospital that was warned by Israel 2 days after bombing another warned hospital? Okay yeah.

Junthor posted...

The IDF just stated on CNN that it was an Islamic Jihad Rocket attack that went bad and that Israel did NOT strike that hospital.

Oh so it's that now. What is it next when it's been debunked? Or wait, was it debunked already. Holy shit, I can't keep up.

superbot400 posted...

They are desperately trying to get Democrats Jewish voters.

Guarantee you that most Jewish democrats here aren't that stupid. I've seen so many of them stand with Palestine here. This war isn't Jewish people vs. Muslim people as some idiots try to preach.

TheGreatEscape posted...

AJ said a IDF spokesperson confirmed the hospital was hit by them and that they had warned people to evacuate it lmao

I can't find this one. Not that we really need them to spell it out. Hamas doesn't have the capabilities to launch a rocket that demolishes a hospital like that and Israel HAS bombed hospitals before.

Edit: Found what you meant. AJ meant the hospital that was bombed 2 days ago and that 5 other hospitals were warned, including the one today. Not confirmation, but more evidence pointing to Israel. Again, as if we needed more.

VFalcone posted...

WARNING: Be mindful of a big misinfo video being spread around of the supposed missile strike "confirming" that it was Hamas. It wasn't from today and wasn't the hospital, but it's quickly creating the narrative that it was Hamas.

This. Notably I know you're talking specifically about Israel War Room. Disgusting. Idiots didn't notice that they posted a video with all the lights on when Gaza has no electricity.

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1714288774342148351

whitelytning posted...

I didnt say anything about history. I specifically mentioned the hospital story and instant news to make the point about instantly jumping to conclusions.

History would tell you that Israel is very capable and very willing to commit such an act.

whitelytning posted...

No, its because the alternative is to believe a terrorists organization that attacked innocent people at a concert to initiate the current conflict.

Twitter and instant news are not helpful in this information battle. Everyone is in their own echo chamber and any opposing view is propaganda. With this hospital thing for example, if Israel did that its a war crime that should be condemned. But I dont think anyone can really conclude one way or another what happened an hour after the event and anyone making that conclusion right now is showing their bias.

Don't want to believe the past week's news? Fine. I'm all for it. But history? Israel's genocide of Palestinians isn't new. It's been ongoing, proven by the past few decades. Now they have an excuse to fool you so they can do it faster.

Also think, who has more of a capability of spread propaganda more? The whole western force that has a hand in your news cycle or Hamas?

BBC/Reuters confirm 500+ dead from the attack.

VFalcone posted...

War crime. Most blatant of all so far. I want to see what r/worldnews thinks about this

Yeah I lost hope for world news twitter. Any pushback and your post gets buried. They're Western media pilled and most of them only started paying attention to this conflict in the last week and are ignoring the history of all of this.

VFalcone posted...

Holy shit!!! Link? I know they were deliberately targeting fire fighters and paramedics but god damn. Let's see them jump through hoops to explain this as being Hamas

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1714321317120360527

It's all over twitter. I'm hearing 500+ at this point, but no confirmation outside of 300+

Israel just bombed a hospital. 300+ killed.

Andor gave me some hope for Star Wars, but I feel it's going to be a one-off. Still looking forward to Season 2.

Were_Wyrm posted...

For it to be a humanitarian crisis, Israel would have to think of them as human.

BOOM! This. All of this.

texanfan27 posted...

Its a no win situation honestly. Hamas attacks without care of who gets hurt, Israel responds. Hamas then hides behind people as shields. So options are either bomb or missle strike locations based on intel, or risk more lives with boots on the ground.

sadly this is war, Israel will do what it feels is best, cause no one calls them out on it, cause then, those that call them out have to back up what they say as well.

likewise, Hamas isnt an country or an army, its an ideal, a goal. Every time one dies, he becomes a martyr and another will take his place down the line. There is no absolute victory over Hamas, cause it will always come back in a different form if needed.

How about not bombs? How about no boots on the ground?

How about stopping occupation?
How about not displacing a native people?
How about ending apartheid?
How about not treating neighbors like second class citizens?
How about removing checkpoints?
How about instead of a violent reaction, we try a political solution?

This didn't start this past week, so stop looking at it from the lens of someone just reacting to what they deem to be a random attack. 85% of Israel themselves puts the lives lost last week on the feet of Natenyahu. Why can't you?

Slightly better. Microsoft does value brand value some. Kotick never really cared so long as profits were maximized. Microsoft, from what I gathered, is also very hands-off when it comes to all the properties it purchases. Just make them money and they're good.

Trumble posted...

Which means that side is utterly evil.

It doesn't say anything about whether the other side is good or bad.

There isn't a good side. There's very good arguments for Israel being the worse side, but both sides are really fucking bad.

I think good/bad and viewing it as an on/off switch only makes it so people turn a blind eye to the conflict since "both sides bad, they should kill themselves" when in reality, the problem doesn't affect just Hamas and Israeli government, which we need to differentiate from Palestinian and Israeli people. Thus, we need to look at things less as good/bad and more where lies the source of all the issues we have there, which lies mostly with the Israeli government. Because, even ignoring the events that have happened here this past week, it has been the Israel (govt) that's been bullying, committing war crimes, overpowering, and colonizing over the Palestinian people over many years. That's not even counting Israel's unfair treatment towards the Bedouin who reside in Israel, which is a whole other discussion.

Kurt_Russel posted...

so is the 24 hour thing over?

It was 24 hours until they started attacking, not an attack that would only last 24 hours.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

While atrocities have been committed on each side I truly think Israel's primary motivation has been self-defense, not genocide. Almost every atrocity that is mentioned in the previous article of Israeli atrocities was in response to a terrorist attack. They are not just attacking for fun. They are trying to defend through strength by hitting back at their attackers whenever it comes. If the law gets more draconian every year it is in response to more attacks or fear of attacks. Yes there are isolated incidents of aggression from bad actors but for the most part they strike when they are struck first.

That doesn't explain their expansion and pushback and treatment of people in West Bank, who hasn't been attacking Israel, but getting killed and oppressed regardless. People forget this side of things, or are willingfully doing so or ignorant to the situation there.

There's a reason that strategy you've noted hasn't changed. It may not be effective for self-defense. It IS, however, effective for genocide.

SHRlKE posted...

Problem is this line of thinking does absolutely nothing to contribute to a workable solution.

You're missing my point. It's not about who did it first. It's about where the power lies. We're WELL beyond who did it first. It's about stopping this. And that lies with the most powerful entity here. As it is the most powerful entity that's constantly chipping away at Palestine. You think Gaza is the only one? West Bank is being constantly expanded on, Palestinians there being treated like second-rate citizens, being kicked out of their homes. And West Bank COOPERATES with Israel. They do what Israel asks of them and they're day-by-day more and more oppressed. Because of where the power lies. Ending apartheid is one step closer to ending this conflict. Israel makes that call.

Takuya_Lee posted...

Also people are afraid of Hamas there and the last election there was in 2006. The people of 2023 did not choose to elect Hamas. Do no blame the civilians for this. This is all on Hamas for attacking and The Israeli government for their response

Israel was already bombing Gaza before this. It's not a response, it's the norm. This is what creates groups like Hamas to begin with. Israel has the power here. They have the power to stop. They had it before this. This didn't just spawn a few days ago.

mystic_belmont posted...

People got mad on Reddit when I compared Warsaw Ghetto to the Palestinians.

Reddit is the epitome of echo chamber forums. It's VERY easy to propaganda there.

Necronmon posted...

No...its merely the reality of what happens when a weaker force keeps fighting a stronger one. Regardless of what side was morality superior, the one with the superior power won and struggling only caused more suffering.

There's a point where being defiant of reality, even if your side is morally right just leads to nothing but total destruction.

If Hamas gave a damn about its pepole they would surrender...after a 1000 deaths no nation would EVER allow those who did it to keep existing right next to them.

I see your point from a logical side. Submit to the greater power and you might find preservation, sure. The problem is, at this point, with their living condition and the mere fact that most die young anyway whether there's an active sweeping one day genocide or otherwise, this would be more a case where Gazans might be choosing to die with some semblance of power to fight back than die as they have been anyway for the past few decades.

Necronmon posted...

And pepole still forget that Israel was formed out of a reaction to the Holocaust and the centuries of repression the Jews had been dealt with all over the world, getting the land back from what was taken from them in the first place.

But that's not happening now, at least here in Israel, is it?

We aren't saying "kill all Jews" here. We're saying DON'T kill Palestinians. Major difference. Israel government ending apartheid and stopping expansion is in the best interest of both Palestinians and yes, the security of the Israeli people as well.

Necronmon posted...

Well...if I could see the future I would be a lot further along in life. But, if Hamas wants to be dumbass fanatics about it they are going to make this as bitter as possible just to make Israel look bad.

Even Japan, with how fanatical they were under Tojo in World War 2 realized they could not win and gave up when they realized they had no hope of anything but utter destruction.

Does Hamas really want everyone in Gaza to die just to make Israel look bad? Is there enough pepole in Gaza that don't want to go down with them and would stop them to end the fighting? I don't have the answers but we are about to see just how fanatical Hamas really is in the next few days.

The way you make it sound, you'd blame Hamas for the genocide and not, you know, the ones carrying out the genocide?

The power is in Israel's hands, my guy. A lot of the stuff you've just recently found out about (like starving, cutting off water, etc) was something they've been doing anyway. You think Gazans want to live like that? Reminder: Average age is 18 in Gaza. There's a reason for that. It didn't pop out of nowhere.

Best way to stop terrorism is to not give reasons for terrorism to exist in the first place.