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Holy shit.

The Marvels made an estimated $9.7 million in the US this weekend.

Biggest 2nd week drop for an MCU movie ever, which is insane since it was already the lowest opening ever.

This is gonna be one of the biggest box office bombs in history. Damn. I didn't expect it to go this badly, especially since there was some level of good word of mouth from last weekend.

Stuff like this is done to get you to buy the higher tiers.

lolife67 posted...

I disagree.

Except there's nothing to substantiate what you're saying.

Not underrated, but we really need a full Final Fantasy Tactics remake.

I wonder if they can top the whole Infinity Ultron storyline. That shit was fucking insane.

bsp77 posted...

But how would delaying help Sony? I know there is "superhero fatigue", but I am not sure an extra year will help.

You're right, it would probably still do bad next year. But a break could definitely help everybody.

I was just surprised Sony just watched the worst year in superheroes ever and then decided they're gonna release a Madame Web and Kraven movie, and without Spider-Man to boot.

When they could have just focused on what has worked with Venom 3, like Disney is with Deadpool 3.

bsp77 posted...

Already filmed, so what are they gonna do? Do asshole tax write-offs like Warner and piss people off?

Maybe the budgets are under $100 (like Morbius), so they have chance of doing okay. If they can make more than Morbius that is, and both do look better.

Disney just delayed everything but Deadpool 3 into 2025.

lolife67 posted...

FNAF isn't the same film as the Marvels. Just because one thing happened doesn't make it true for everything.

The Marvels was a sequel to a billion dollar movie. Nothing was going to save this. The interviews wouldn't have changed shit and the boxoffice followers even roughly calculated it would have added maybe $2-$4 million to the original $65-$80 million prediction.

FNAF was a critically panned movie that was released online and in theaters and still did almost double on a $30 million budget. It's at $250 now.

That's what we have to go on. There's no other tangible proof "chemistry" would have changed anything.

Wow, I'm surprised Sony is still doing Madame Web and Kraven in 2024. Almost guaranteed flops. Even Venom 3 is not safe and might flop too. 3 flops in a year would look way worse for Sony.

lolife67 posted...

I'd add in the actors strike since the chemistry between the 3 leads is important to sell. J

It wouldn't have changed much. FNAF, which had bad reviews, over-performed and made almost double this in it's opening weekend ($80 million) just 2 weeks earlier. And it was simultaneously released on Peacock. I streamed it the day it came out.

If Dune 2 had not been delayed, The Marvels would have done even worse.

Gremlynn posted...

it's kinda funny to me how everybody here who says they saw the movie seems to have found it enjoyable, while everybody in this topic talking about it being bad are only referencing the trailers, super hero fatigue, their thoughts on Phase 4 and 5 as a whole, a lack of interest in the characters themselves, lack of marketing, under performing ticket sales, and negative reviews.

Exactly, it's not that bad of a movie, which means superhero fatigue and a weak Phase 4 and 5 are very relevant here.

Total worldwide is $88 million to a potential $110 million, so it did even worse internationally.

Worst than Flash's opening. Quantumania did $107 million in the US alone on opening. The Marvels only did $3 million more total worldwide.

These are below the already low estimates the past 2 weeks.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-the-marvels-1235599363/

Ricemills posted...

One of you is a liar

I'm just going by the map. They're in Virginia.

Ricemills posted...

Are those place even in west Virginia?

No, they're in Western Virginia and might have been what he was talking about and not West Virginia.

specialkid8 posted...

2018: We're 25 movies and shows in and where are we really heading? Thanos is gonna get some rocks and start beating up all the heroes?

Why are people acting like this saga is so seat of its pants when we had literally no characterization for Thanos until he showed up in Infinity War? We had vague promises of a threat and a few stones scattered hither and yon. The whole thing only congeals in hindsight.

It was 18 movies over a decade since the shows were not really related and were being kept separate by a different wing of Marvel.

We're at 18 related things in in under 3 years that Feige said will be all necessary. I didn't even count What If or Werewolf by Night.

The stones and Thanos were a very well known storyline, so we had an idea and slow build up of him collecting them and our heroes encountering them throughout in all sorts of places. They were EXTREMELY powerful things and we knew shit was gonna go down if he collected all of them. Again, this also ignores that there were 5 crossover movies in 7 years.

I'm not even sure what the point of making these excuses for where we currently are is. People are all starting to agree it sucks.

Quality wasn't the only thing back then though. People looked forward to not only the further off conclusion, but the near term team ups. Less characters meant more utilization.

We're 18 movies and shows in and where are we really heading? A million Kangs are gonna come and start beating up all the heroes? Which itself is still 4 years away?

Im confused by the focus on the Prowler.

Both NWH and Across show that Garfield, McGuire and Venom are separate universes in both. Therefore they're all related.

That was an amazing episode. Loki is one of the best MCU contents in years. It did Loki as a character a lot of justice.

It took me a bit to realize that this might have been the end of Loki's story. It kind of felt like there would be more, but they're saying there is no plan for season 3. Which starts making sense when you think about what actually happened here. I'm conflicted, but maybe it's good to leave something like this on a high note.

Even if we ever see him again, it won't be till at least the next two Avengers, which at this rate with all the recent delays, will likely be delayed to 2027/2028. Even then, we might just see a variant, and never this actual Loki again.

mazingetter posted...

s is in Deadpool 3.

No he's not. That was a rumor too and is irrelevant to this being the same Deadpool from the Fox universe. He's likely gonna end up in the MCU, but it doesn't change that it starts from the Fox X-Men universe.

Again, all this scene shows is that the Fox universe still exists. I'm not sure what type of continuation thing you're even arguing. It's not like they're gonna make a new X-Men movie using Kelsey Grammer in a live action version of the cartoon universe. One character is just stuck there for now.

mazingetter posted...

Yes and yellow suit Wolverine is rumored to be from a different universe due to multiverse shenanigans.

It's a rumor with nothing backing it up and is also irrelevant to Deadpool being in the Fox universe.

mazingetter posted...

I don't think they are continuing from any of the X-Men films' timelines.

Deadpool is still in the post-DoFP X-Men Fox universe and that's the next movie.

mazingetter posted...

A universe rumored to be inspired by the 1990s X-Men cartoon.

I don't think so since the credits showed the music was from X2 and Days of Future Past.

Before this, X-Men references have used the animated series theme.

The scene was pretty crazy. Monica straight up ended up in the Fox X-Men universe.

Oh shit, they basically delayed everything to 2025 last night.

Only Deadpool 3 will now release in 2024. That's pretty crazy.

Make it a crossover like Civil War.

I'm about to watch The Marvels instead. I really want to see Loki though.

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

i got bored and gave up after the first episode, and wasn't fond of the first season neither. Is this season an essential watch for the overall MCU or is it skippable?

It will definitely tie into Kang's stuff overall, but I guess we won't find out till tonight what the true ramifications will be.

It's a good watch if you liked season 1.

Prestoff posted...

I'll admit it was a fun ride, even though I'm still confused with how the whole time thing works and everything. Let's just hope it doesn't fuck up the ending this time around.

Same here. I honestly had fun even though it left me confused many times.

Mathemagics.

StealThisSheen posted...

"Flop" has long since also applied to movies that barely broke even, not just lost money. Whether a movie is a flop or not is dependent on expectations. The DC movies were expected to do much better than they did, thus, several of them were considered "flops."

And none of them barely broken even either. Suicide Squad made $750 on a $150 budget. When you actually look at all of them, the only thing that can be considered anywhere close to breaking even is Justice League.

StealThisSheen posted...

They flopped in comparison to MCU, and against their own budget. Very few DC movies, even pre-pandemic, made anywhere near as much bank as MCU, vs. budget, and thus they can be considered "flops" in that manner, since MCU basically dictated what superhero movies COULD accomplish.

EDIT: The DC movies that are flopping now are flopping to the extent where they're literally struggling to break even, or even losing money. Which is much worse, yes, but even before the pandemic, DC movies were only doing "okay," which can be considered a "flop" for the genre.

Dude, a flop is something that lost money. None of those movies lost money, thus the DCEU wasn't flopping for a decade and continued making movies because they were making money. It has nothing to do with comparisons.

The DCEU is flopping now, as in losing money. Words have meanings.

StealThisSheen posted...

...I feel like the issue with this post is blatantly that your entire premise is "Pre-pandemic DC movies did better than some post-pandemic MCU movies."

That's a faulty logic point to start from, to begin with.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

DCEU movies didn't start flopping till last year. So that poster's "DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop" is incorrect.

Toonstrack posted...

DcEU lasted 10 years on flop after flop and most of the movies were getting crapped on too and its still got one in the tank. Mcu got a lot more fails to go before that happens

DCEU films were not flops though till after the pandemic. Every one of them upto Aquaman made more money than all but 4 post-pandemic MCU movies. Joker and The Batman also made a lot more than any post MCU movie other than NWH. It kept DC going overall.

The real flops started with Black Adam, Shazam 2, Flash, and Blue Bettle. The MCU's first flop only happened 3 months after Black Adam with Quantumania.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/58cb2cc3.jpg

You can pay me $950k, and I'll try it out.

I can name at least 2 dozen Zeldas.

Everything is Eru's fault.

Just do a fucking animated one like Mario. I just can't see this translating well into live action. Ganondorf would probably look like a buffoon.

I actually got a $5 footlong a month or two back. It was a 2 for $10 special.

Who the fuck is this villain even supposed to be? I never heard of her.

The actress is Tom Hiddleston's wife. He couldn't get something better for her?

008Zulu posted...

The good thing about time travel is, it can happen at any time.

Yeah, you're right, but I meant it like, in those 3 films, the multiverse has fully established itself. Hence there already being a Council of Kangs.

I think right now, it's just small branches on the way to losing complete control and many are also being erased. Once established, it's Kang and others like 838 Strange and Sinister Strange destroying them through incursions and the like.

pegusus123456 posted...

They've done a very poor job of explaining what the loom actually does, but I really don't think it's doing that. There's no functional difference between killing every other timeline and compressing them down into one.

I get that. I'm saying that just because B-15 keeps going "we can't kill them" doesn't really change their goal of avoiding Kangs. Especially since when Loki was talking to Sylvie a bit back, he was making the case that maybe control over this is necessary. It was Sylvie who objected since she enjoys her McDonald's timeline and accused Loki of playing God.

We're seeing the timelines being erased, and visually, tons of timelines are compressing into a single timeline. The point of the loom is that it's too far beyond the redline to manually purge them. So this machine is like a backup to force it.

I could be completely wrong, but we'll see in a few days.

Looking at the actual breakdown in the link, it's still mostly people who are not regular people.

Nothing about PSLF changed. They just had some forbearance count. Same with those at 20/25, since all IDR is that length. They would all have been forgiven regardless.

Definitely helped people with disabilities though, I'll admit that.

Bragging about this seems like clickbait because it doesn't cover most people in the jam.

How much of that was regular loans most people have and not scam schools?

What did you do before and what did you do to break into tech? Learn on your own? Go back to school?

pegusus123456 posted...

Where did they say this? Like I said above, I'm pretty sure the loom is just a big generator that's about to explode. They've not actually said how they're going to solve the Kang problem, Loki just keeps insisting they need the TVA to do it.

That's what's happening visually though. It's all being compressed into a single timeline again via the loom.

They're depending on that to mitigate things, especially since the loom is already there. But like I said, I think the twist is that it's too late/impossible.

It seems like things like NWH, MoM and Quantumania seem to have happened after this season or maybe even after later potential seasons.

MatzoTov posted...

Another confusing part to me is like - the TVA's job is to prune timelines before they hit their irreparable nexus events or whatever (that red line), right?

So how come suddenly that one character is like, NOOOO WE CANT PRUNE THESE TIMELINES THEY ARE PEOPLE'S LIVES

Yes they are lives but isnt the alternative option having the timeline totally blow up in another way? I can't follow the logic there.

That's the thing. They don't want to end these universes, but Loki has informed them that infinite Kangs will arrive.

So they're trying to use the loom as a backup to make everything go back into a single timeline.

I think the twist here is that it's impossible and they have to live with the flourishing multiverse. Which is both a positive because people are saved, but now infinite Kangs will arrive.

At least that's how I'm seeing it.