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Jen0125 posted...

I don't even think something like this is a sign of bad parenting either. This is just s***ty teens doing something s***ty like teens do

Nah, that's bad parenting. Teens can be stupid, yes, but even stupid teens with good parents understand basic cause and effect and that you shouldn't do things that present an immediate risk to the lives of others. A parent that hasn't managed to teach their kid that by the time they can even pick up a rock like this has failed as a parent.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

adjl posted...

Let's be honest here: CoD is a children's game. The primary demographic is not mature adults, whatever the rating might say.

So blame the parents, it's their choice to get it for the kids.

Little of that, little of game store employees just not caring about M ratings, the bottom line is that kids are still a major chunk of the game's demographic, and Activision knows that (and integrates that into their marketing). Throwing this kind of content in for no particular reason is kind of questionable when you take that into account, but then this kind of content is always kind of questionable when there's no particular reason for it.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

I have a problem with sex when it has to do with childrens games but a game about war to me isnt one of them especially if it's only attempted prison rape

Let's be honest here: CoD is a children's game. The primary demographic is not mature adults, whatever the rating might say.
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I'd guess it's standalone, given that the others are, but I don't actually know. I, too, should really play IV.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

There is rape in all other forms of media, why is there being rape in a video game any different?

The interactive element is a pretty major reason to raise eyebrows, if it's the player doing the raping. The same thing's been said about violence, but at least with violence you've got a fun action element going on. With an interactive rape scene, the only way anyone's going to be getting enjoyment out of it is if they enjoy the idea of raping somebody, since you aren't really going to be able to attach any sort of gameplay to it that couldn't be done any other way. That's definitely not a good thing, so keeping that stuff away from minors makes sense.

When the player isn't doing the raping, though, it is indeed no different. I fully expect that, in the case of CoD, it's just being thrown in for shock value and to generate buzz for the game, rather than for any particularly deep or thought-provoking story reasons, but criticizing directors for using sexual violence for easy shock value is something that applies equally to any medium.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

I don't know where you got that idea, foreign property ownership is a serious issue causing greatly inflated housing prices in many regions

Owned by business owners, who get more rights than vacationers.

You heard it here, folks: It's illegal to own a vacation home in another country.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

The US is at war with Central America? Doggy doggy what now?

Surely you mean the US created wars in Central America and installed their government of choice in many countries

The US is at war with immigration, like drugs and terrorism.

I don't even know what you're talking about at this point.
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Depends just how much it gets used. SMW's a particularly egregious example, where as soon as I noticed I was kind of annoyed by how overwhelmingly derivative the soundtrack was, even though it was still pleasant to listen to. If it just comes back from time to time to tie together common thematic elements, though, I could see that being fun (not that I can think of any particular examples of that on a whole-game scale).

I guess it's kind of like a common theme in a symphony. When it appears in a few different contexts and is used to tie everything together, that's fun. When it's just repeated over and over again with mild variation (see: Bolero), you've gotta do something to keep things interesting, otherwise it's just awful (see: any performance of Bolero that is even a little bit sub-awesome).
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NightMareBunny posted...

I've seen people who don't change that stance even when playing Multiplayer team games

how is that acceptable?

Because they want to play the game the way they want to play the game, not the way that helps some obnoxious busybody with an inflated sense of self-importance pretend they're being useful. Again, if a streamer isn't playing a game the way you want them to play the game, and that bugs you, you shouldn't watch that stream.
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darkknight109 posted...

KaptainKiro posted...

neighborhoods, towns and cities are continuously ruined by criminals and the people who abet them because people want to treat criminals as victimized children instead of the hardened thugs that they really are. its very sad that we live in a society that coddles criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens.

Just gonna point out that nations that "coddle" their criminals have amongst the lowest recidivism rates in the world.

The US, with one of the most punitive justice systems in the developed world, has one of the highest.

Correlation may not imply causality, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and mouth "look over there."
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

When streamers are bad, why do you watch?

Also that. Watching people suck at a game can sometimes be entertaining, but if that's not what you're looking for (as is obviously the case if you're trying to direct them), just don't watch them.
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green dragon posted...

It's Probably because they ant to enjoy their game. They want to make their own discoveries and they don't want the surprise ruined

Pretty much. Even though they're doing so for the entertainment of others, streamers still want to be able to enjoy their own games, and part of that enjoyment is the struggle of figuring things out for themselves. If you're going to ruin that for them by telling them how to play because you don't want to watch them struggle, you probably shouldn't be watching people play games that you already know how to play.
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Singing is so fundamentally different from speaking that accents rarely persist. You can get characteristics of your native language coming through in singing (Italian, for example, is a very bright language with lots of resonance toward the front of the mouth, which is good for classical singing and something that people who normally speak a darker language like English or German have to learn), but when you start elongating vowels the way one does when singing, that tends to keep accents from coming through.

Though, if anything, good technique calls for other English-speakers to sound more British, since harder R's are a terrible sound to try to sing through. That's less emphasized in pop music, because nothing about good singing technique is typically emphasized in pop music, but if you start doing any classical singing and you try to pronounce "heart" like a North American would, you're going to have a rough time.
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I mean, worst case scenario, there's no sombrero Mario. That hardly ruins a game where you get to possess a t-rex.
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It's a fun idea, but if I were on the road with you and I heard your horn, I'd probably either ignore it or start looking for a train to see if I should be stopping, depending on how close I am to a crossing. It's probably not the most practical.
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thecolorgreen posted...

Not a life or death situation.

Then either I wouldn't be fighting in the first place, or it'd be a formal sparring match and there'd be some sort of rules dictating how I lose, such that I don't really have to make a decision.
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NightMareBunny posted...

yes you can enjoy more than one game but would you really play this once the switch goty comes out

Sure. SMO won't last forever, and some people like having multiple games on the go at a time, especially when they're such radically different genres. It's not like playing a Mario game is going to burn people out on high-energy beat-em-ups.
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OneTimeBen posted...

My PS4 Pro is good for ever? But that monster PC not so much.

PC's generally have a longer lifespan than console generations. Your PS4 Pro isn't going to be much use for playing future generations of games.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

Just not watch the movie, show, etc?

Nothing you do will matter to them. They don't care. They'll keep making whatever they want because your opinion means shit to them.

Pretty much. The only thing that you can do is not watch it. If enough people do so, it won't make enough money and no more will be made, but even if that doesn't happen, not watching it means you don't have to care.
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Katowice posted...

What an amazingly stupid argument, as if transgender people can't also be homeless and have abusive parents?

At a higher rate than most of the population, no less.

wwinterj25 posted...

It kinda bugs me when some folk trivialise other peoples problems with a "we have all had that" type of comment. That's probably why I don't tell many people in real life about the s*** I've been through or even discuss it with the folk I know outside of close family. People are quick to cast judgement. Even more so on the internet. I admit I'm guilty of that myself so eh.

It's generally a pretty big problem with society. People have a lot of difficulty grasping the concept that different people react to stuff differently. What traumatises one person for life may only be momentarily upsetting to another, and pretty much everyone could stand to do a better job of realizing that they can't always generalize how they'd react.

OmegaTomHank posted...

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OmegaTomHank posted...

Ive seen him flip flop so many times i cant even count. One week hes in a dress and lipstick to appease his gay lover and the next hes denouncing womanhood as being weak and overly submissive and puts on male clothing.

They sound genderfluid. That's a legitimate thing.

Not when hes doing consultations to have his penis chopped off.

You can always put on a wig and lipstick, you cant grow back your penis.

And part of those consultations is trying out new expressions of gender identity. If the therapy's being done right, the actual surgery won't happen until they're comfortable in the target sex. If you're concerned that the surgery is coming before your uncle is comfortably settled in a new identity, raise your concerns with the therapist. They may be missing out on that information (most of what they hear will be self-reported by your uncle, which isn't always a reliable source of diagnostic information), or they may be able to explain the therapy such that you have a better understanding of it and your concerns are assuaged.

Zangulus posted...

So what is the per capita demographic for cisgendered people who have preyed on young girls in bathrooms and such things in the past several years?

Because, you know, if a single trans did it, obviously THEY'RE ALL FUCKING GOING TO DO IT DAILY.

Yet, white fuckers are doing far more raping and abuse on a daily scale than Trans are combined...

Statistically, men should probably be banned from public restrooms altogether. Just think of the children!
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NightMareBunny posted...

adjl posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

super mario odyssey is next week so why get this?

Because you can enjoy more than one game?

i can see this being dropped as soon as SMO comes out

Or you can enjoy more than one game.

Garlands_Soul posted...

Bad DLC practices,

Eh, I'm not too worried about how the DLC looks. It's sounding like a solid amount of content in each pack, and the Season Pass for Hyrule Warriors was fantastic. I'll reserve judgement until at least one of them actually comes out, but I'm not too concerned.

That, and compared to usual DLC practices for the main series Warriors games, this is nothing. It could be far, far worse; this actually sounds pretty good.
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wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

You heard it here, guys: Hanging out on the Internet exposes you to the same amount of hate as being trans.

Actually being bullied and the like online isn't that far off. Even more so for kids who are at school and whatnot. Of course I'm not making this into a pissing contest but some folk have it a lot worse than trans folk.

That is a point. Cyberbullying is a big deal, and also results in suicide in many cases (possibly more so than physical bullying, but I have no stats to back up that vague impression), so it shouldn't be trivialized either. That said, that's a rather ancillary point to the one he seems to be making, which is "we've all been insulted on the Internet, trans people don't have it so bad." That's dumb.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Well, considering the mental problems many transgenders have (look at the suicide rate, as a starting point), it stands to reason some will go crazy in this direction too.

Lets be clear though, that sex offenders exist in virtually every category, and this is a fucked up person regardless of that.

Trans people have higher suicide rates because of people like you and ziggi

Everybody gets hate, in fact we're internet denizens so we have intimate knowledge of hateful shit people spew on a regular basis. They are not committing suicide vastly more because "muh feels" unless they have emotional hypersensitivity, which is undeniably a mental disorder.

You heard it here, guys: Hanging out on the Internet exposes you to the same amount of hate as being trans.
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NightMareBunny posted...

super mario odyssey is next week so why get this?

Because you can enjoy more than one game?
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OmegaTomHank posted...

Actually my uncle is transgender and hes one of the main reasons I firmly believe in intense therapy for transgenders instead of them letting them mutiltate their genitals and go through a full blown gender change.

And is that based on talking to him and his therapist to gain a clearer understanding of his particular case and the treatment approach they're taking, or is that just you saying "this is weird and I don't like it"? Like any medical issue, you can't generalize treatment approaches that broadly, especially not from a single example. Surgery didn't save my dad's life when he had a stroke, does that mean I firmly believe in not wasting resources operating on people with hemorrhagic strokes? Of course not, because I understand why it failed in this particular case and that other, different cases may still benefit.
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From the couple pictures I've seen, I doubt anyone would have noticed if it weren't announced.
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I've only played TF2 and Stardew Valley, and not enough of Stardew Valley to really get into it, so I guess TF2.
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LtCommanderData posted...

An attack on masculinity as a whole

But it's not an attack on masculinity as a whole. Adjectives narrow concepts down to be more specific. Talking about "red apples" narrows down the subject/object to "apples that are red," not "all apples are red. Similarly, "toxic masculinity" narrows down the subject to the elements of masculinity that are toxic, and does not mean "all masculinity is toxic." The latter interpretation can only be generated with fairly specific context.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Shouting down the other person is establishing dominance, the person unwilling to take their point to conflict isn't as invested in their viewpoint so they lose, it settles the issue immediately instead of going through many long rounds of petty arguments.

Which doesn't actually solve problems. It just breeds resentment in the one that doesn't shout as loudly or fight as well, and victory in the argument has nothing to do with who actually has the better ideas. That's a terrible way to solve issues.

Maybe your ideal image of a man is too boneheaded and stupid to actually think and talk through conflicts, but personally, I have higher standards for myself and every other person on this planet. Caveman days are long past, and it's not just feminists that would say that. It's anyone with a modicum of common sense.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

adjl posted...

Second cousins share approximately 3.125% of genes due to interbreeding. Random strangers are expected to share about 5% of genes, so second cousins aren't going to be any more genetically similar to you than a random stranger would be. Smash away.

3% and 5% of what? I had heard we share 99.9% of DNA. That's why we all have pretty similar hair, thumbs, and tails.

Of that remaining 0.1%, which is still quite a lot of DNA given that it accounts for all the variation between all humans. By the nature of sexual reproduction, half of your genes come from each parent, so parents and full siblings are 50% genetically similar. Each step out you take reduces that by a further half, so by the time you get to second cousins, you're at 3.125%.
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Second cousins share approximately 3.125% of genes due to interbreeding. Random strangers are expected to share about 5% of genes, so second cousins aren't going to be any more genetically similar to you than a random stranger would be. Smash away.
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Smarkil posted...

Can you come out as a jew?

You can convert to Judaism, and you don't necessarily need to make that information public, in which case making it public would be coming out as Jewish. Coming out as ethnically Jewish is only possible if you've been hiding that heritage, but also not entirely inconceivable (particularly for somebody who wanted to be involved in white supremacy, since admitting Jewish heritage isn't a great idea around Nazis).
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Foppe posted...

Do you need a wedding cake to get married?
No?
How is that helping them to sin?

Kinda do.

While it isn't a requirement to get married, they want one to do it and helping them get what they want helps them progress planning and get married sooner. It's also pretty bad to celebrate a sin and they don't want in on that either.

It's the notion that denying them a cake is somehow going to stop them from getting married, which is somehow going to stop them from being gay. It's pretty much the last protest these people can make against homosexuality, and it's hopelessly impotent and petty.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Foppe posted...

How does a cake make people sin?

It helps.

Cake just helps people eat cake. The cake actually has absolutely nothing to do with the wedding itself. Just the party afterward.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

They default to sex appeal when they have little to offer and it's damaging,

Okay, good answer. Carry on.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Aggressive competitiveness, solving small problems with arguing, settling disagreements with fights, all that good stuff. We don't live in times where it's appropriate to be manly.

Uhh, small problems still are solved by arguing. Just not necessarily by screaming because, frankly, that's a considerable waste of energy. Same with fighting; you end up with a bunch of unnecessary injuries and energetic expenditure. Drifting away from that is a basic civility thing grounded in practical reality, not a feminist thing. Similarly, aggressive competitiveness (or any kind of aggression) tends to just result in more stress overall, which is unhealthy. It's not really better than being more chill, nor is healthy competitiveness really anything feminism is pushing against.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Jiggy101011 posted...

I'm confused as to why they are "sluts". Did they all bang the photographer afterwards or something?

Because they think taking off their clothes will help men's rights when, if anything, it'll turn moderate feminists away from the cause.

That doesn't really answer the question.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

We live in feminist times so many men have been shutdown and indoctrinated in to believing their instincts are wrong, evil and unnatural.

Oh really? Do go on. I'd be thrilled to hear which important instincts you feel are being repressed by the feminist bogeywoman.
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Zeus posted...

The two scenarios are entirely different because the basic service is already illegal. It's a pretty huge leap from limiting a legally provided service.

And yet the logic is identical. Killing people is illegal. Discriminating against people on the basis of certain protected classes is illegal. They're very different degrees of illegal, obviously, but the bottom line is that claiming religious reasons for doing something illegal doesn't make it any more legal.

Zeus posted...

However, I seriously doubt that.

Now who's being bigoted? I am a practicing Presbyterian. There's a good chance I go to church more often than these poor pious bakers do, whatever you'd like to assume about me.

Zeus posted...

At any rate, your argument overlooks that you're creating an OPPRESSED class by forcing people to act contrary to their deeply held religious beliefs over a trivial matter.

Discrimination is not a trivial matter, and not being allowed to deprive somebody of food because they like it in the butt is not being oppressed. Calm down.

Zeus posted...

Then they travel further. So what? Do you expect everything to be handed to you at your door? People have to travel and move for all sorts of reasons already. Maybe you can also force businesses, schools, etc, to move to different regions to accommodate handfuls of people who refuse to move.

Again, there's a major, major distinction between disadvantages that exist out of necessity and disadvantages that exist because somebody's being a prick. Not every community will have enough people to make it practical to have every service provided within that community. That's simply the practical reality of the matter, and that means people will sometimes have to travel to reach the nearest provider of that service. There's no necessity involved in denying people services because they're gay. A Christian is completely capable of making them that cake, or selling them groceries, or renting that apartment. They just choose not to.

Zeus posted...

You claim it's irrelevant but the reality is that your fantasy scenario has never once come close to playing out like that.

I find it pretty hilarious that you said this immediately after using a textbook slippery slope argument, as though a slippery slope can't also be applied here. No, there's no precedent for a major multinational corporation putting principle ahead of profit. Yet. If discrimination becomes normalized enough (as it will if not fought against), and the discriminated class is small enough (unlikely with gays, but you could certainly see it with trans people and some ethnic minorities), you're absolutely going to see this sort of thing happening with larger companies, because the impact to profit will be small enough to justify the principled action.

Incidentally, slippery slope arguments have no inherent logical validity, so you might want to flesh out yours if you want it to not be completely worthless. Just FYI.

Zeus posted...

Out of the rest of your list, the only possible concern is real estate

Really? Do tell why groceries aren't a concern. Or is it my turn to suspect that you've never actually seen a small town and don't have any grasp of what their grocery stores are like?

Zeus posted...

When two people disagree, precedence should NOT automatically be given to the non-religious side

Preference is not automatically being given to the non-religious side. It's automatically being given to the side that isn't hurting others, which I'd say is pretty reasonable.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

How a man should be is inherently what a man is.

So you would say that every man is the way that a man should be?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Christians shouldn't be deprived of their right to choose what their business can and can't do.

Sure they should. Otherwise, organizations of Christian assassins would be legal. Laws dictate what people can't do to other people; owning a business or being part of a religion doesn't absolve anyone from following them.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I dislike religion as much as you

I am religious. Surprise!

Kyuubi4269 posted...

it's already been decided that it's inhumane to force people to change their beliefs against their will,

Forcing them to change their beliefs? That is indeed not okay. Intervening to prevent their beliefs from having a harmful effect on society? That's literally what law enforcement is. Someone who believes your TV should be his is legally prohibited from stealing it, and will be prevented from or punished for doing so as much as the law is able to stop him. Somebody who believes your car would look better with a rainbow unicorn painted on it is legally prohibited from vandalizing it, and will be prevented from or punished for doing so. And somebody who believes gay people shouldn't have cake is legally prohibited from denying them service for that belief.

It's all quite consistent, despite your efforts to portray this as some inalienable principle that must not be violated.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Is it discrimination for me to have to travel further to buy things I can afford?

Post #44, quote #3 + paragraph 4. This has already been covered.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

We are all disadvantaged by our circumstances, it's not necessarily fair but it's not unreasonable either.

It is unreasonable, however, to introduce new disadvantages. Some are inevitable, but that inevitability does not in any way justify making new ones where there don't have to be anyone, and anyone who does try to introduce new ones should be frowned upon.

RIP_Supa posted...

Why would you want a Christian baker that doesn't respect your lifestyle to make your cake in the first place?

Presumably because they make good cake. But apparently it's weird that I don't particularly consider factors that aren't relevant to conducting business when conducting business.
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EvilMegas posted...

Was the micro transaction thing really in there? Jesus

Not explicitly. The actual quote is "It has become clear that to deliver an experience that players will want to come back to and enjoy for a long time to come, we needed to pivot the design," which in industry-speak means "we don't want to invest money into a game that players will finish and move on from instead of playing indefinitely and feeding us sweet sweet microtransaction and DLC revenue."
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MannerSaurus posted...

I don't know how to be. I know that I'm grateful to you guys, and to my friends and family... but I can't connect to it. It's as if I'm being e-mailed my feelings, as if there was a middle man between myself and my brain. There is a messenger saying "you love these people" and it makes sense to me in theory, but it's not something I'm actually experiencing in my heart. As if I was controlling myself in 3rd person like The Sims or Max Payne and I had to select "give friend hug" on a menu and watch myself do it emotionlessly, despite knowing the "character I was controlling" did in fact, love the person they were hugging.

That's shock, mostly. You're disconnecting because being connected is too painful. That will pass, though when you do connect again, it's going to really hurt. Keep people around you and keep e-mailing yourself that you love these people, because you're going to need that reminder of all the good things that do exist in your life.
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Superlinkbro posted...

Don't really care for mods and the cross-play factor is nice too.

Both, really. If it had mod support, I'd be inclined to grab the Switch version simply because portable Minecraft would be fun. I find Vanilla too boring these days, though, so lacking mod support is a dealbreaker for me.
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Dongle-bongled.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Being friendzoned is the worst thing to exist

Unless you actually value that friendship and aren't just agreeing to be friends out of a desperately obsessive need to keep her around while you wallow in self-pity every time a conversations ends without her falling in love with you. Then being friendzoned isn't really a problem, because you end up with a friend and that's fun.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Wow. I am so sorry for your loss.

Please attend therapy. You have experienced a serious trauma that will not be difficult to heal from, but it can be possible. Be patient with yourself. Seek support from the people around you who love you--remember that they only wish to help you in the best ways, so let them know what those ways may be. Everyone grieves differently and perhaps your therapist can help you explore healthy ways of doing so.

Best wishes as you recover.

I'll second that. It's going to be a while before you see a point to the therapy, and it's going to hurt for a long time, but it will help eventually. If nothing else, she wouldn't want you to give up so quickly. Good luck, dude.
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Yeah, there's no spot for batteries in a wired controller, and you don't have to turn it on.
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Zangulus posted...

It depends on what Im cooking.

Basically. Olive oil or butter when their flavours are suitable, canola when I want a more neutral flavour and/or a higher smoke point. Sometimes bacon fat when it's feasible and the flavour fits, but I don't keep any around, so that's only ever when I've just made bacon.
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SirPikachu posted...

What's really unnerving is a ladybug infestation. It looks so creepy to see hundreds of those in a corner of a house.

I feel like it's creepy to see hundreds of any bug crammed into a corner like that.
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Zeus posted...

If a need isn't being met, businesses will either spring up to meet it or other businesses -- recognizing that they can get a large amount of profit -- will step in.

There's a large amount of profit from being the only bakery in town that will bake cakes for 10% of its population's weddings? In a city with a million people, maybe, but a town of 5000? Good luck with that. Good luck with that even if you're talking about a more everyday service. And that's even without getting into the fact that homosexuality's incidence is probably going to be less than the usual 10% in such a small town (both because smaller towns tend to be more homophobic to start with and because only having ~24 potential romantic partners to pick from isn't exactly conducive to settling down there).

Remember that the total number of businesses in America isn't relevant here. America's a big place, so of course there'll be a huge number of businesses. America's communities, however, are not necessarily big places, and it's communities that people exist in. The fact that there are 146 (not a real number) bakeries that will serve gay people in Manhattan means nothing to a gay couple in Jasper, AK, and as soon as you start discriminating such that gay people (or black people, or Muslims, or anyone that doesn't look Aryan) have to drive 2-3 communities over to get what they want, you are creating a disadvantaged class with that discrimination, and that's no bueno.

Zeus posted...

In general, I could understand an argument mandating *essential* services, but most essential services -- hospitals, utilities, etc -- are covered by the government anyway which can't discriminate. Likewise, major chains cover the majority of needs in this country so the most important areas are already covered.

Major chains are also businesses, and you started this line of reasoning with "Any business owner." No cherry-picking now. Additionally, most essential services aren't covered by the government in the US. Hospitals are treated as private businesses. Utilities are private businesses. Real estate (including renting) is a private business. Grocery stores are private businesses. Drug stores are private businesses. And in smaller communities, many of those services aren't going to have more than one option available, because there simply isn't enough business to support more than one.

Zeus posted...

Otherwise, the idea that nobody should be "deprived of anything" is fundamentally an issue of entitlement. As it stands, countless people of "deprived of things" due to a myriad of factors including income, availability, etc. So, unless you pass a law mandating that things should be free and businesses have to open in certain areas, there will always be some "deprivation"

There will, and that's a problem, but that's due to factors beyond anyone's easy control. You can't sell a product to people that can't afford it without yourself being unable to afford staying in business. Depriving people of a service due to voluntary discrimination, however, is very easy to fix: Just stop discriminating against them. This is entirely a voluntary decision on the part of the business owner.

Zeus posted...

Why not ask whether it's really so hard not to be an a****** who forces a business to do something against their will instead of walking around the corner and buying somewhere else?

Because it's easier to stop being a bigoted asshole than it is to walk around the corner. Even in cases where there actually is something around the corner (which, as we've established already, is only really true in larger communities). Just don't. It's really that simple.
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Zangulus posted...

If I find out after weve been banging she has a significant other I cut it off. Regardless.

And call her boyfriend, for good measure.
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