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I'd bang Samus.
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Hairy-man posted...

Id shit myself mate.

But worth it

The five seconds of pure bliss is worth it.
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This is the life.
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Aren't Wiccans just theistic Satanists that are too cowardly to go all the way towards human sacrifice?
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Twisted Metal.

ez
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Why is Canada the real world equivalent of elf harmony forest while USA and beyond are hell fuck zones?
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Whoooa, what are the odds of all the billions of people on Earth that use the niche confines of the Internet that two people would hold similar ideals about shitty business practices?

Unfathomable.
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Central/South America and US have higher crime than Canada and a majority of Europe.

:thinking:
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josifrees posted...

And what percentage of players take part in that

Google "CS GO skins" and marvel at your results.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Stop bringing up "well back in the old day" because this isn't the old day; this is a different market place with different technologies. Stop with that bullshit.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gGdkfZxP_iI/hqdefault.jpg

In the year 2000: "Released game." Price? $60.

In the year 2018: "Collector's Edition." Price? $100-120.

d i f f e r e n t
t e c h n o l o g i e s
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????
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Because for every one map you'd get, you end up with 200 cosmetic items for people to moneyshark after.

Your net benefit isn't a benefit at all because the focus is going into what's making them money: the microtransactions.
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Darmik posted...

And an auction house

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10974978/diablo%C2%AE-iii-auction-house-update-9-17-2013

Stay woke.
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josifrees posted...

yes people will show off what they got but gamers have shown time and time again it isnt important enough to them to open up their wallets to do so.

You've not seen the outrageous prices skins on CS:GO can bring? Some of them don't want you to open your wallet, but your savings account.

But how do you get skins in the first place? I'll let you figure it out.
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And I would honestly despise working in the gaming field as a designer or creative director or programmer. How much of a soul-siphoning venture the process must be. Take a cool concept then proceed to put minimal effort in most of what you're making, put a good sheen on it so it makes the latest PC graphics card look cool, and send it off to the most important part of the team: the ones that will find ways on how to assfuck a gamer out of more money over the months/years.

That's where most of the ideas these days go. We went from geeks in apartments and garages trying to figure out how to best translate Dungeons & Dragons into a fulfilling computer game people would enjoy to people that have Candy Crush and Clash of Clans as citations on how they can best produce more money.

You don't get games anymore, you get hooks. Then you pair that with the uneducated dipshit Twitchers out there that will happily run these sponsored streams to show it off and play it and influence the even dumber demographic they manage to attract.

Video games are fucking awful, lol. Sometimes, though, you do get a Witcher 3 which does restore your faith and then you get buried soon after by the Battlefronts and Destinys of the world.
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Explain why a game like Diablo 3 has had numerous free additions supported for the past 7 years and only had one expansion and DLC class throughout?

New areas, items, monsters, etc. Hate the game as much as you want, the way they supported it was the best way an AAA company in this previous decade could from a gamer's perspective. Patch upon patch of improvements that actually added to the game in different ways from gameplay balance to environments to cosmetics. You'd hardly believe the same company would shit out Overwatch four years later.

There's no excuse other than piggish corporate greed for shitty titles like Sea of Thieves to go down this route. You're going to say "well business' are supposed to make money!" No shit, but here's the reality: I don't work for them, I'm who they want to buy their game. If your game has some seriously dumb practices put in, be assured that no self-respecting consumer is going to give it a glance. The only way your business should worry about making money from the gamer's point of view, is the game being fun and fulfilling of an experience.

Until I get a cut of their profit, the shady tactics they try to unload your wallet will always get called out by an outsider.
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josifrees posted...

This is a bad argument unless you are playing a game with no skill gap. Whats going to distinguish you from other people in an online game is how good or bad you are.

Cosmetics matter very little, looking good matters very little, having these cosmetics on how you want to look matters very little.
If they mattered at all, whales wouldnt be an extremely small percentage of the user base of every game with cosmetic microtransactions. They might matter to you but to pretty much every other player who is playing a game with cosmetic MTs they are a complete luxury and not necessary and the numbers prove this.

It also has nothing to do with ethics but it is a blessing. Most gamers simply do not want real life money involved with the playing field and the ones they do are the ones spending the money. If some idiot feels bad when their character looks normal and wants to drop a ton of money on cosmetics that isnt going to affect the gameplay. Unless they are like you and think looking special actually matters.

I agree with your general sentiment towards MTs and such but the basis for your arguments simply arent very good.

The basis is rooted in truth. In an MMO like World of Warcraft you have cosmetic "elite" sets that offer no statistical advantages for PVPers but are there to show some prestige due to the different colour scheme they have for that season. Then there are games with things like titles, colours, outfits, any manner of cosmetic, non gameplay altering or swaying elements that are to show off than anything. Shit, even in a game like Diablo II people would show off extremely rare uniques like Tyrael's Might or The Grandfather. There are better armour/weapons than those but you show them off for bragging rights.

That shit matters to gamers because that shit matters to people in reality when it comes to historical collection, fashion, novels, etc. Showing off is something a kid with Yu-Gi-Oh cards will do as a woman with Chanel will do and is something a gamer with cosmetic proof of some perceived grandness will do.

Which is why these cosmetics in games should be brought to reflect someone's time devoted or skill in actually playing and not in the money further spent. Having, I don't know, a captain's hat should be something of status via in-game achievement criteria being met and not shelling out $20.

Having status and having ways to show off in games, especially multiplayer ones, is a great thing. It's fucking awful when it becomes locked behind a paywall, especially when a decade ago it would've been something you simply unlocked.
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The Undertaker
Kane
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Lmao
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Wow make sure not to cut yourself on that edge there bro.

Do you have an active subscription to "Dr. Disrespect?"
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Lol, dominatrixes totally fuck.
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So she's a really boring prostitute.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Maybe that's part of the reason I only buy games I really want to support.

So far, what have I purchased this year?

Monster Hunter World (no microtransactions as far as I can tell)
Steamworld Dig 2 (nope)
Steamworld Heist (nope)
Dragon Quest Builders (the Switch tax is on it, but that's about it)

lol...

With taste like this, I'm not surprised you throw your money at billion dollar companies like they give a shit about your meaningless support.

Here's a spray and purple costume for your fav Overwatch pornstar though.

I'm intrigued. What have you purchased in the past 12 months?

Divinity: OS 2
Age of Decadence
The Witcher series
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Maybe that's part of the reason I only buy games I really want to support.

So far, what have I purchased this year?

Monster Hunter World (no microtransactions as far as I can tell)
Steamworld Dig 2 (nope)
Steamworld Heist (nope)
Dragon Quest Builders (the Switch tax is on it, but that's about it)

lol...

With taste like this, I'm not surprised you throw your money at billion dollar companies like they give a shit about your meaningless support.

Here's a spray and purple costume for your fav Overwatch pornstar though.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

What does the size of a company matter? I like Overwatch, and I have spent money on some loot boxes. I 100% wanted to support them because they made a product that made me WANT to support them.

You paid them money to play their game in the first place, you continue to play their game for a long period of time, there's your "support." Asking them for a way to throw money at them over and over again is fucking virulence. You're why this industry needs a crash.

The continued to provide content and I wanted to give them a bit of cash to pay for that, and hopefully get some good stuff in the process.

Go fucking cry me a river. I'll support whatever the fuck I wanna support and your vitriol almost makes me want more of these ventures to succeed, just to piss you off.

Those ventures have succeeded, hence why every company these days are inserting them into any game they can. Hence also why so many games these days are dogshit money pits meant to appeal to the 80 IQ demographic of the 14-24 gamerbase.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

What does the size of a company matter? I like Overwatch, and I have spent money on some loot boxes. I 100% wanted to support them because they made a product that made me WANT to support them.

You paid them money to play their game in the first place, you continue to play their game for a long period of time, there's your "support." Asking them for a way to throw money at them over and over again is fucking virulence. You're why this industry needs a crash.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Of course whales exist. The free market is never truly free. Those with more money will spend more to support something they want to support.

Just because people have a bunch of money doesn't mean they will just whilly nilly support ANYTHING.

Some people really like Overwatch, and because they LIKE IT, they will spend a bunch of money buying loot boxes. They don't do it just because they have a lot of money, they have a lot of money and want to support Overwatch.

Yeah, show your support for that indie studio Blizzard.

Fuckin' agents of decline everywhere.
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Okay, look, constantly defending a shitty title like Sea of Thieves and denouncing criticism against it in any way as 'whining' kind of gives away your position that you obviously plan to play and throw money into this garbage before moving on to the next thing.

We're talking about business models over talking about the actual game. If that doesn't hit a red flag that you may be interested in a pretty bad game then there's no hope for you. You've taken your integrity and shoved it off a plank long ago.
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Darmik posted...

Again if you're not interested in the game why do you care what model it uses?

Because a shitty model should always be called a shitty model no matter what.

Darmik posted...

And why does this matter? If you want to buy a cosmetic outfit go for it.

Because saying cosmetic outfits are in some way ethical is laughable as I pointed out as to why.

Darmik posted...

But it isn't. The game wouldn't be the same thing under that model.

Because then it'd actually stand a chance at being a somewhat decent game, surprisingly!

Darmik posted...

If it's a good game I'll play it. If it isn't I won't.

You'd rather play a games as a service title than a fully realized, fleshed out, retail game that justifies its price.

I don't think you know what a "good game" is.
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Black Panther is probably a good comic character, too bad he's wasted on a fucking cringe social agenda.
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Darmik posted...

Wut? That's what these microtransactions are paying for!

Cool, it's a really shitty MMO then is what you're defending.

Darmik posted...

Ok? Sea of Thieves is entirely cosmetic though. Other games are bad so Sea of Thieves is bad isn't an argument.

The whole "it's just cosmetic" argument is fucking trash and people should stop jumping on it as some ethical blessing that has been bestowed upon them. This being multiplayer centric doubles that point home, what is the one thing that will distinguish someone from another in any online game? If you said "how they look" then you're a quick learner. Cosmetics matter a lot, looking good matters a lot, having these cosmetics on how you want to look matters a lot. They may not have a direct influence on gameplay but they have a direct influence on the player. If you're going to play Sea of Thieves for any serious amount of time, you want to look 'cooler' or show off that you're not some random. It's the psychology of standing out in these games.

Darmik posted...

Sea of Thieves isn't a traditional mid 2000's game. It's a Games as a Service title. It's not a game popped out for $60 with some balance patches and nothing else. It's not a game that will have a sequel in two years. It's a game that Rare intends to support with additional content for years.

If it was a game that popped out for $60, some balance patches and properly sane ways of unlocking looks through playing it, then that would be a huge step up from the current direction it's going towards.

"Games as a service" is just another way of admitting that it's being backed by a design team that cares little for the game itself and more on how they can get your wallet open. You can support this type of dogshit but hopefully you realize that you're part of the problem on why games today are trash.
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Darmik posted...

If you dislike Games as Service in general why would you care what business model they do?

It's like whining about MMO subscriptions being anti-consumer and then admitting you don't even like MMO's.

Because their business model is killing this industry. At least the concept behind MMO subscriptions is that you're paying for a persistent, constantly evolving world which pertains to keeping things fresh for the playerbase.

With most games these days that have microtransactions or those cancerous lootboxes, you're paying to fast track your way through the dull portions and get to the very brief 'meat' of the game. It promotes money whales, preys on impatience, and rewards the company for creating a really fundamentally shit game.

The cosmetics in Sea of Thieves should be what they would've been if this game came out in the mid 2000s: unlockables attained by discovery, overcoming a challenge, or something else that makes the player actually engage the game.

Calling it "whining" and denouncing all valid criticism as such goes to show that this industry desperately needs a dramatic shift or a new crash so it can escape this stagnant grip it has been in since the PS3/X360 era got rolling.
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Darmik posted...

I guess you didn't enjoy the sea of thieves beta?

I don't concern myself with low quality games that follow with garbage Twitch streamer trending, shit tier multiplayer gameplay.

If I want to, I'd rather play Sid Meier's Pirates for a proper nautical adventure as a scourge of the seas.
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Speaking of GoT games, the 2012 RPG one was pretty good.
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He's right.

I always said that casuals will slaughter the gaming industry and year by year I'm proven right.

They don't even make games anymore, not games like you're used to anyways. They make 'hooks' and hope to catch as many as possible. More care goes into the UI for an in-game shop than it does to compelling narratives, gameplay, and so on. Low effort dogshit.
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Can you play that mod with the base game or do you need DLC for it to work?
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ThePrinceFish posted...

The best part of Yugioh was the first season in Duelist Kingdom because it felt more like a DnD improv game than a card game.

"I'm going to fuse my monster with yours and because it's undead and your dragon is alive it will weaken your monster every turn because fuck you"

And the infamous attacking of the moon.

Also because Pegasus was the best antagonist. All the others were fucking cringe.

When that fucker summoned Relinquished it felt like the world was ending.
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Look what MY GIRLFRIEND painted!!! She's too shy to share it herself!!!!
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It's like Kane taking off his mask.
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Fat
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On average, guys are better looking than women.
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There hasn't been a good comic based movie since 2008.
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Remember when Austin was crucified on RAW by The Undertaker and made the Catholic Church lose their shit?

Then a month later WWF said "fuck you" further by having Undertaker go full Satanic cult mode and actually do a blood ritual on TV?
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Only if they're a hot girl.
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zH0mPfR posted...

The documentary made it obvious that, at a bare minimum, the guy running the high scores organization was butt buddies with Billy and likely biased in his favor. So this doesn't shock me at all if it's true.

Didn't he write a song about him? lmao
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Roy Schildt was right all along.
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Lmao
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WoW's fanbase is absolute garbage. So glad I left those pussy casuals behind.
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If you want a pretty good SRPG story Vandal Hearts II is solid in that regard.
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At some point in your life, I want to say it happens in your 20s, you wake up one day and look at Warcraft and say to yourself:

"This looks fucking awful."

Then you reject it, and play games that actually look good.
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Hamill > Nicholson = Ledger > Romero >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leto
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