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a seatbelt doesn't prevent crashes, but it mitigates their effect

avoiding any remote appearance of a personal relationship with female coworkers is basically the same, it doesn't guarantee you won't get accused, but it makes it far less likely
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Kenri posted...

you'll note men still drive cars regardless

yeah and you do everything you can to minimize unnecessary risks, like buckling your seatbelt

cultivating a personal relationship with a female coworker is like not wearing your seatbelt
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yeah, basically

its like the difference in risk between getting in a car crash when driving and having your car hit by a falling asteroid
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Kenri posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

uh its more like "supporting women isnt worth the chance of having your career destroyed if she doesn't like you"

Anyone can destroy your career if they don't like you (and are willing to lie about you being a horrible person), so why single out women?

Not really. If a man accuses you of doing something wrong, people won't instantly believe him even if there's zero evidence.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Thats so laughably transparent as a concern

Seriously? So what do you think the issue is then? That every business mentor was previously planning on raping their mentees and now is disappointed that they won't get away with it?
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Kenri posted...

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https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/961025574889287680

wow who would have predicted that lots of men don't care about supporting women unless they feel like they can get sex out of it

uh its more like "supporting women isnt worth the chance of having your career destroyed if she doesn't like you"
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https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/961025574889287680
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https://twitter.com/RobertBentley76/status/961032201813950464

infographic!
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so as far as doritos goes, pepsico is going to continue to alienate the enitre female demographic because they're afraid of SJW backlash? sounds like an insanely dumb business decision.

They aren't though. They're going to produce "Doritos Lite" or some bullshit and women are going to buy it like crazy.
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f0olmor0n posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

Obvious implication: You can sell more to women by creating chips that don't have characteristics they hate.

Is there a difference between making chips for women and making chips for people who don't like loud and messy chips?

Not really, no. Which is why Pepsi can honestly say "lady doritos is not a thing we are going to make" while still working on something like this:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Nabisco-100-Cal-Oreo-Thin-Crisps-6-CT/858490988

Which is an incredibly successful product that might as well be called "lady oreos"
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robsalkowitz/2018/02/05/data-shows-women-paid-more-attention-to-super-bowl-lii-than-men/

I'm sure there's a "systems and explicit rules" vs "people and relationships" explanation as to why elaborate instant replay routines that cannot determine what constitutes a catch would increase female viewership and decrease male interest.

Or at least, when I ask myself, "Who could possibly consider this an improvement..." there's one obvious answer...
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Please elaborate on what you find surprising or interesting about it

I think this squares nicely with "the problem with libertarianism is that it's not diverse"

Also "diversity is our strength" in general.
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We have already agreed that demographics based marketing is dumb and bad, not sure why you constantly want to roll that back so you can cry about SJWs ruining your corn chips or whatever.

No - we agreed that advertising is better the more personalized and targeted it is.

Which is exactly why women who do buy Doritos will continue to get a lot of ads and coupons for Doritos.

But this wasn't an advertising questions - it was a product development question. "Why don't women eat doritos?" "Because it has these characteristics that women don't like." Obvious implication: You can sell more to women by creating chips that don't have characteristics they hate.

Demographic based sucks but it's still better than mass-market with no concern for differences at all.
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f0olmor0n posted...

Well that's impossible, so obviously the next best option is to split the market in a really dumb, inefficient, outdated way. At least it will make sense to all those "libertarians" whose "next best option" after Ron Paul was hyper socio-nationalist.

yeah, im sure you know more about the details of how to segment the chip market than the marketing department of doritos does
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yeah I guess Doritos should work on making chips customized for each of 7 billion individuals on the planet
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lady-doritos-not-happening-pepsico-says/

Female CEO blasted for pointing out that men and women have different snack preferences (provably true and almost certainly based on very extensive market research)
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http://reason.com/blog/2018/02/06/wooster-activists-demands-expel-a-racist

WTF - they want LESS money for ultimate frisbee? college campuses truly unrecognizeable now!
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I saw a Twitter post from "certain parts" suggesting that part of Belichick's success is attributable to being willing to take a chance on white players in positions other than QB.

I guess I would say, why was Edelman unwanted by the rest of the league, and why was Welker a good WR

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Also "hahaha bitcoin crashed I told you it was a scam" vs "oh the stock market is fine its not a disaster no siree"

My people are basically the opposite. Faith in stocks is shaken but still believers in crypto!
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Also hilarious to see all my rich coworkers try to balance being upset that the stock market going down is costing them a ton of money with HAHA TRUMP TOOK CREDIT FOR THE STOCK MARKET AND NOW ITS GOING DOWN WHAT AN IDIOT
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Yeah, but if liberals are mad about the ad, then that's all they need to know to support the product. Maybe even make MLK their new hero since they don't understand nuance.

There is literally zero chance of this happening.

it's like how homophobic alt-righters love milo because he basically became famous by trolling the fuck out of liberals.

But they weren't trolling. They were doing the exact opposite. Literally.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

HotDogButts posted...

you mean rich white liberals in major cities aren't their target demo for pickup trucks?

no the target demo is dudes with confederate flag stickers on their trucks who don't understand why there's a holiday for MLK, but they're not allowed to keep their statues of Jefferson Davis or whatever

yes those people are going to buy a truck because an ad portrays MLK as heroic

that makes a lot of sense
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eh, I dunno, QBs are a single point of failure

They can lose you a game, all by themselves, in a way that virtually nobody else can

There aren't many teams that have really good QBs that stay bad for very long...
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WiggumFan267 posted...

this is a gigantic actual unfair advantage that has never been properly addressed. I do believe the NFLPA is pissed over it anyway but I don't think the NFL is.

Winners discounts DO suck and are bad for sports, but they're practically universal and there's next to nothing you can really do to stop it - short of requiring athletes to sign contracts with the league and giving them zero control ever over what teams they play for, which no union would ever agree to.
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f0olmor0n posted...

The point is that a really common form of native advertising nowadays is manufactured outrage like that

eh thats like 4d-chess level marketing

Id buy it from like Budweiser or P&G, but not from freaking Dodge...
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f0olmor0n posted...

http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/rams-use-martin-luther-king-truck-commercial-proof-7347

damn that's good

Have we yet reached the point where white people aren't allowed to quote, reference, or express admiration for MLK? If not it's coming soon. Like, less than a year.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22336786/viewership-super-bowl-lii-patriots-eagles-down

competitive game between two major markets with historic teams and national fanbases, ratings down significantly
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Their careers happened before I was like, 8 years old, so yes.
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I don't know enough about the older guys to judge one way or another.
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And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in?

No, I don't. I think it was instinct. You could threaten to kill his mother if he threw an INT and he still would, because in the moment, he can't help himself.

It's not the same as say, Randy Moss, who has a specific job to run routes and where "decisionmaking" isn't a really huge factor of success.
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Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats***** did.

No he couldn't. Favre had a ton of talent, maybe more than anyone else ever - but his decisionmaking was average to bad. Bill's system does not work that way. He needs consistency and low-risk. Favre would fuck it up way too much to work.
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You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better.

Manning sure, Favre hell no. Completely different style and attitude. Bellichick would run Favre out of town the first time he threw some horrible INT into triple coverage instead of just taking a sack.

Favre is like, the exact opposite kind of QB from Brady... which isn't to say he's bad, but that's not a swap that could work...
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http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/03/the-puffy-coat-makers-at-patagonia-want

this is such a great point

all the upper-middle class white people I know list this as one of Trump's greatest offenses

gonna assume most black people in Baltimore don't give a single flying fuck
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daaaaaang GFWOB sent me some pics and her sister is much hotter :(
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I mean, ultimately, it comes down to the question of, "In a sport so heavily dependent upon team rather than individual performance (as the NFL probably is more than any other team sport on the planet), how much value do championships really hold in evaluating individual performance?"

To the extent that making and winning Super Bowls matters at all, Brady is almost certainly GOAT. If they don't, he's probably not, although he's not that far off...
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NE is just a fantastic team, and has been for almost TWENTY YEARS. That has way more to do with Belichick than it does with Brady. Brady is a fantastic cog in the system and an undeniably great talent.

I dunno though. The people at the helm of the machine can and have replaced literally everyone else, often multiple times. And yet, Brady still stands. They don't seem to think of him as a replaceable cog. There seems to be plenty of evidence that this franchise does not care about emotion or sentiment. If they thought they could put someone in there who makes half as much and provides 90% of the value, they'd have done it already.
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Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls.

I generally agree with your thesis, but I also feel like Brady has had a much longer window of pretty damn good play than any of those other guys.

Maybe you argue that Peyton lasts longer if he's protected by the Pats O-line? But Brady has been doing this for a lot longer than Brees and Rodgers, and doesn't currently show any signs of falling off any faster than they are.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-dodge-mlk-super-bowl-commercial-20180204-story.html

when you try to virtue signal too hard and it backfires
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https://twitter.com/phl43/status/960280650183073792

Positive outlier: India
Negative outlier: Mexico
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im testing out a new pair of headphones with Muffin Man RIGHT NOW
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Probably the least deserving SB champions in my lifetime.
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Eagles should probably go for it here.
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I went to watch an NFL game and a Big 12 game broke out

Also remember I TOLD YOU ALL that instant replay would ruin sports, and it has.
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I want to criticize T-Mobil for that entirely pointless SJW virtue signaling commercial.

But I DO approve of a baby mobile cover of All Apologies...
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NBIceman posted...

To be fair, according to the rules as they're written, that wasn't GI in the reviewable sense.

Should've 100% been a penalty, but they can't retroactively do that.

This. It was a slashing minor, but not GI.
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Honestly, they should make GI reviews like offside reviews. If you lose, its a two minute minor against you.

Tired of seeing EVERY goal where anyone is slightly near the goalie get challenged. And the result being random. Enough of this shit.
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Well, I see Holtby is already in playoff form...
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https://twitter.com/JTucker_Rx/status/959214835744563200
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https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681?utm_medium=sharefromsite
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Anyone following the "deepfakes" situation?

I feel like they're going to try to make this illegal somehow, but I dunno, the still image version of this has been going on, like, since I was 14, and nobody ever seemed to care...
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