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Red, are you alright? Like....legit question.
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Sir Chris

I mean the Hugger was lynched, red, first off.

Also he came in an hour after day started, red.
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Sir Chris

red13n posted...

nana is claiming hugged?

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Red...
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Sir Chris

(strongly applies he is town though, but the lack of answering should be seen as null)
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Sir Chris

Alakazam, Sultan - He was likely host poked and cannot mention that or risk being in trouble. He doesn't have to confirm or deny this, I understand why it would set your little mins ablaze in suspicion but it's null.
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Sir Chris

Ashethan posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also Ashe 4 + 1 is a thing for sure, balance wise. Usually give Scum a BP or something in that scenario.

Sure, but then add in Dizzy too? I mean technically that could redirect scum's kill back at them. I mean it'd be an unlikely shot, but it's possible. Town lynches the Bulletproof Scum day 1, Redirects Scum's kill back to them (highly unlikely, but still technically possible) plus a kill from the SK. That's 3/4ths of the scum team dead by day 2.

In any case, I'm not sure where this line of thinking really gets us. Scum killed Plum, and that's all we really know about what they did at present.

I was correcting your balance thought, do realize I am trying to figure out what red is on about.

Red you really shouldn't have vagued this up if you are town. Outright or nothing. You know better.
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Sir Chris

You know vague statements to start day 2 kind of suck, right?
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Sir Chris

Leafeon13N posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also how nice would it be to play in a mafia game where scum doesn't have a 'fuck you' button to kill whomever they want night 1? That'd be nice.

We've had games where they dont necessarily have an unblockable kill.

But i honestly think 99% of the games on b8 have given scum at least an extra kill.

Is there some reason you really don't want to answer my question, red? Is it because you want to piss me off?
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Sir Chris

Also FD is probably right about Tony. There are players who could fake what Tony did, he isn't one of them in my estimation.
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Sir Chris

You realize Blade if we are both town it is the opposite of weird that us having similar observations is something that happens, right? You actually seem more invested than any time I can recall early game (which scares me a bit btw) but when you're focused you're almost as good as I am as town, just minus the OVERWHELMING CHARISMA AND STAMINA that are my hallmarks.

Also Ashe 4 + 1 is a thing for sure, balance wise. Usually give Scum a BP or something in that scenario.
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Sir Chris

Anyway Nana are you going to spend all game going after the newest possible players or are you going to actually put a vote and a case on someone with any amount of experience? Because I see reasons for you to be town - your claim about eod is so insane that it almost has to be true, and the votals don't leap to me as 'scum nana for sure' unless we've got some specific combos of scum teams going on but you've been going after the low hanging fruit of which I also think they are town. Like, if you're town you are playing really poorly and you need to stop.
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Sir Chris

I mean 16 is perfect for SK so red could be right. 4 + 1 in 16 is a very classic set up. SK wouldn't be surprising at all.

The problem I still have, red, is your thinking seems to be a lot less crisp than last game. Like I am not letting this go and you are going to answer me. Why did you express suspicion based on people being alive, and then note a kill was blocked. Now there is a reasonable answer here which I came to on my own, and if that is your answer it's ok. This isn't a gotcha question, but you need to answer.

Also how nice would it be to play in a mafia game where scum doesn't have a 'fuck you' button to kill whomever they want night 1? That'd be nice.
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Sir Chris

red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Still interested in red's response to a "kill was nullified" to "I am suspicious of chris and/or blade because they are still alive."

Those two statements do not add up

were they supposed to add up?

*turns to the rest of the game*

Does no one seriously have a problem with red asking if his statements on the game state are supposed to be internally consistent? Just me? Blade? FD? Corrik? Bueller?
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Sir Chris

Still interested in red's response to a "kill was nullified" to "I am suspicious of chris and/or blade because they are still alive."

Those two statements do not add up.
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Sir Chris

That was a random as fuck use of the word assassin.
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Sir Chris

Red are you aligned assassin trying to hint to your team.
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Sir Chris

Yeah I meant that moreso "if you claimed anything but vanilla I was going to hellmurder the fuck out of you."
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Sir Chris

Meow1000 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Again I ask the flavor for your vanilla claim, Nana.

I didn't claim Vanilla, but I'm Fifi la Fume, the purple skunk who lives in the junkyard Cadillac.

You claimed vanilla when you said you didn't perform a night action last night lol

Uh

That actually isn't a hard vanilla claim. It's deliberately open ended.

He better be claiming vanilla
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Sir Chris

Nanahara715 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Again I ask the flavor for your vanilla claim, Nana.

I didn't claim Vanilla, but I'm Fifi la Fume, the purple skunk who lives in the junkyard Cadillac.

You claimed vanilla when you said you didn't perform a night action last night lol
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Sir Chris

masterplum posted...

Also for new people:

Plums super simple tactical guide that always works

Day 1: Do whatever Chris says
Day 2: if Chris is still alive be slightly concerned
Day 3: if Chris is still alive and there has been more than one night kill indicating scum has an extra shot be very concerned
Day 4: if Chris is still alive and there isnt a very good reason why (such as scum assassin/strong man having flipped and doctor still being unclaimed) Chris is scum

Final 4: if Chris is alive vote for him no matter what. I dont care if an angel came to you and told you chris was town. Its an evil angel or something.

Plum 'Chris threat' assessment which was honestly really cute.
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Sir Chris

In fact fuck you red.

##unvote: Corrik
##vote: Red

I mean really.
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Sir Chris

red13n posted...

also the dude that said "if chris is alive, lynch chris" is now dead. Thats probably a point against chris because he wasnt going to be sheep anymore by his own logic(Plum for the record that whole gimmick was just dumb and then you didn't even sheep at the end properly to follow it through.)

I should vote you just for saying scum chris would fear plum.
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Sir Chris

Again I ask the flavor for your vanilla claim, Nana.
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Sir Chris

I mean... that's really unbelievable in every way possible <_<
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Sir Chris

Also Nana mind telling us the flavor to that vanilla claim of yours?
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Sir Chris

red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

That differs a bit from last game when you were town, I remember you said me or corrik were scum due to the night kill at the time, not just 'still alive' paranoia. Feels like a step back from your most recent town performance. Scum point.

this game has different circumstances. And plum feels like an obvious clear SK kill. So its pretty safe to assume a kill got nullified.

You realize of course that is a point against your paranoia point.
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Sir Chris

MZero11 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

WAY TOO EARLY POE

Town

Sultan - Yeah.
Fake - I have not bought anything Nana was selling here. Dude would seriously impress me if he was faking this noobness.
FD - His points in his posts were very crisp and rung true to me. My only hesitation is I don't remember FD's scum game, but whatever.

2. Alakazamtrainer
3. Ashetan
4. ChaosTonyV4
5. ColZach
6. Corrik
12. Meow1000 (Blade)
13. Nanahara715a
14. pjbasis
15. red13n

4-5 of these people are scum.

I have established Nana/Alakazam are very unlikely to be aligned given what happened EOD yesterday. I will add Ashe/Nana to that as well as busing over voting town power there is REALLY crazy. Possible to be reviewed later on, but extremely unlikely.

You forgot me!

*blinks*

Must have deleted other guy's name and didn't put you in. Yes you too can be scum.
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Sir Chris

I did! I wanted to play a fucking mafia game as town for once.
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Sir Chris

That differs a bit from last game when you were town, I remember you said me or corrik were scum due to the night kill at the time, not just 'still alive' paranoia. Feels like a step back from your most recent town performance. Scum point.
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Sir Chris

You must have been really paranoid from the dead player's pool day 5 last game then.
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Sir Chris

red13n posted...

i'm going to wager a high chance of blade or chris being scum(Could be both). less so corrik. but possible.

Let's hear that reasoning.
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Sir Chris

Anyway town Corrik who thinks fd is scum also thinking he would kill LITERAL PLUM over him makes no internal sense.
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Sir Chris

##vote: Corrik

I love it when Blade talks sense to me.
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Sir Chris

Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Corrik posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Corrik posted...

Plum also thought FD was scum also I might point out.

I already did. He was the only person to seriously bring up FD late in the day.

I feel like it's more likely scum wants Plum's kill to make FD look bad than scum FD was afraid of Plum. Plum's argument on FD was basically useless.

I brought up FD and asked plum to vote him with me tbqh.

Then why aren't you dead?

Why aren't there two night kills last night?

*Looks at Blade*

Hey so Blade do you see my point here and how Corrik completely avoided my point?
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Sir Chris

Corrik posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Corrik posted...

Plum also thought FD was scum also I might point out.

I already did. He was the only person to seriously bring up FD late in the day.

I feel like it's more likely scum wants Plum's kill to make FD look bad than scum FD was afraid of Plum. Plum's argument on FD was basically useless.

I brought up FD and asked plum to vote him with me tbqh.

Then why aren't you dead?
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Sir Chris

Although if FD is scum it'd auto clear me, red, and blade as scum.

Sadly not feeling it.
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Sir Chris

Wait, am I remembering that wrong?
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Sir Chris

He tried to kill him heavily in PW and has berated him out of game for his play since.
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Sir Chris

I just think he is pissed off at Alakazam still a bit. Sorry FD not trying to be a jerk and dismiss you but Alakazam is pretty infuriating.

Also is it classic scum moves to go "BZZZT" now? I'd say lean town on that post in a vacuum.
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Sir Chris

Corrik posted...

I think FD is still scum.

Why is that again?
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Sir Chris

Slight correction: rung true as in genuine. I still think FD is seeing ghosts when it comes to Alakazam (as in I have no idea how he claims to be able to tell the bad from the scum in his game)
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Sir Chris

Meow1000 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Meow1000 posted...

The only person who fits that boat is Alakazam. The other one who did it just died. I don't feel much like lynching Zam right now anyway.

Also it's bad logic for the better players. I'm pretty sure I was scum in DQV Mafia where day 1 ended with a scum voting for me just after the deadline, intentionally missing the cutoff.

I burst out laughing imagining Alakazam trying to do this.

Yeah I don't think the idea would even cross his mind.

You were scum with me in that game I'm referencing. Shade was the only scum to get lynched and you kept telling him to "Stop with the scummy sarcasm" and he just never did. I can't remember who intentionally voted me late though.

Wasn't that a stretch of 4-5 games I loved the flavor in that I just bodied the other side? DQV, One Piece, Stargate, etc
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Sir Chris

WAY TOO EARLY POE

Town

Sultan - Yeah.
Fake - I have not bought anything Nana was selling here. Dude would seriously impress me if he was faking this noobness.
FD - His points in his posts were very crisp and rung true to me. My only hesitation is I don't remember FD's scum game, but whatever.

2. Alakazamtrainer
3. Ashetan
4. ChaosTonyV4
5. ColZach
6. Corrik
12. Meow1000 (Blade)
13. Nanahara715a
14. pjbasis
15. red13n

4-5 of these people are scum.

I have established Nana/Alakazam are very unlikely to be aligned given what happened EOD yesterday. I will add Ashe/Nana to that as well as busing over voting town power there is REALLY crazy. Possible to be reviewed later on, but extremely unlikely.
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Sir Chris

Meow1000 posted...

The only person who fits that boat is Alakazam. The other one who did it just died. I don't feel much like lynching Zam right now anyway.

Also it's bad logic for the better players. I'm pretty sure I was scum in DQV Mafia where day 1 ended with a scum voting for me just after the deadline, intentionally missing the cutoff.

I burst out laughing imagining Alakazam trying to do this.
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Sir Chris

God I thought it was Suprak I have never seen Sultan before.

Anyway votals yesterday

[4] 5tar - pjbasis, (Chris), Blade, (Plum), Nana, ColZach
[3] Nana - FA3000, (Chris), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, Chris
[3] Ashethan - Tony, (Sultan), Sultan, red
[2] Forceful - Zam, Corrik
[1] Zam - (FA3000), Forceful, (ColZach)
[1] Tony - ("MZero"), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, (pjbasis), (Sultan)
[0] FA3000 - (Nana), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Zam), (pjbasis), (red)
[0] ColZach - (Chris)
[0] Chris - (ColZach)
[0] pjbasis - (Sultan), (ColZach)
[0] plum - (Corrik), (Corrik)
[0] IGCD - (Tony)
[0] red - ("MZero")

These votals have Ashe voting twice, a bit confused but whatever. Not hugely impressed by anyone who ended up being on 5tar at the end of the day, doubt that foursome is pure.

Bit of a mess all told to be honest. Had a couple of just late votes both for Nana, which in hindsight was an act of saving town power. Rules out aligned pair of Alakazam/Nana, and the other was 5tar so that is obvious.

People on Ashe are noted bread crumber Tony, Noob Sultan, and Red.

If Nana is scum it makes Corrik look bad, since he was unavailable and the end of day doesn't really support a swing to save Nana.

Don't really care much for your lament, Blade. Feels like someone's posturing.
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Sir Chris

Meow1000 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Corrik posted...

In b4 Chris and blade are scum together.

Fuck, Blade he's on to us. Do you think we can outwit Corrik?

Yeah but if Blade/Chris are scum and Red isn't we'd shoot Red right

Oh wait

Hey, I did tell them that if Blade/Chris/Red/Suprak (who isn't in the game) was scum that the town was screwed. THEY WERE WARNED, BLADE.

But anyway uh we need to clean up the game ASAP. More activity, less bullshit. Also Sultan is a special boy but let's not meta things like that as much as possible.
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Sir Chris

Meow1000 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

It would be funny if Plum targeted the night killer and died because of it.

I will miss you, my vassal.

That requires too much random for my liking as a conclusion. Plum would've had to target the killer on a 1/14 shot, who would've been redirected to Plum on a 1/15 shot.

Not going to humor a 1/210 discussion much.

Humor being the key word.

Someone killed plum because... well let's see

1. He was supportive of me as a player (and we're 3 days before Plum would have gone code red against me)

2. They thought he said something that hinted at power

3. ???
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Sir Chris

Corrik posted...

In b4 Chris and blade are scum together.

Fuck, Blade he's on to us. Do you think we can outwit Corrik?
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Sir Chris

Town power like to lay low because they want to overly rely on their power but don't realize their true power lies in being a strong advocate for town during the day time and thus horribly fuck it up?
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Sir Chris

It would be funny if Plum targeted the night killer and died because of it.

I will miss you, my vassal.
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Sir Chris