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I know, I didnt mean to say that.
I just have him higher than you/Ashe.
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Ashethan posted...

Death -- if Dels flips town, who do you think the last two scum are?

I figure asking today will be more beneficial than asking tomorrow.

I still cant see pxel being scum, and Panthera was specialed pretty hard.
So it'd be a toss up between you and Corrik then, with a lean towards you.
Shad is still the 2nd scum in my mind though. Since I cant see you and Corrik working together as scum.
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That said, yes
A lot of players have been open-ended today. At least I know what Corrik and you want, and I kinda think Panth wants to vote you?
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I will be upfront and say that I still think you're scum that needs to die, Dels

Nothing personal.
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I wasnt as 100 % as everyone else on that.
But this is helping. His thoughts remind me of at my at my worst as secondguessing town.
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I mean if Ashethan is scum with Shad or you, I dont see why he'd need to drag more through the mud when he has enough mislynches in me/you/shad
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I dunno, I feel like Ashethan finally brought some life back..
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I dont recall that myself.

I dont know if scum can force usurpers to obey either.

Ugh, this is just adding more headaches to my train of thought. Though I think I can at least cross of a hypothetical scumteam of Ashe and Corrik..
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Perhaps there is a nightkill that scum didnt want town to come to understand.
Knowing Pxels results didnt help clear things up for me much though.
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This makes me come back to me thinking scum was not happy with Mzero, and they sent him to do the nightkill on purpose.
Or, he was the only who could send in the nightkill and the other 2 scum-members had their own night actions (one of which was a roleblock).
Either way I certainly would have been skeptical of Mzero even without Corriks claim.

I am not sure why they blocked pxel night 4, tho.
Though I cant rule out that they simply believed Corriks walkback.
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Okay my own shadnotes.

Han defended Shad topic2, said it was a lazy thing to vote him
Leo did not want to talk about Shad and said his claim was probably real anyway.
Shad also seemed pretty accepting of Corriks claim, so maybe scum did know jinjos were a thing.
Shad agreed with Leo that Scare was scum too and had his vote on Scare for most of the day.

Sidenote: The way Leo charged Corrik after the whole 'unexpected mess', is more reason for me to believe corrik is town.
To his credit, shad did not agree with Leo this time. (Though he was tempted to switch votes, because of perceived Corrik arrogance)

In Topic3, Shad preferred lynching Scare over Donker, which Han disagrees with. He later got called out for not saying anything and still wanted to keep his vote on Scare.
He also refused to special Panth because of three of his suspects (Scare, Chris, Han) were on it too. Han then asked Shad what he felt about Donker, but if Panth is town, this doesnt say much. Neither does the fact that Shad did switch to Donker once the votes started rushing in.

Not much to say, besides that nothing removes Shad from PoE so far.
I dont know how distracted Shad was during the early days either, which isnt helping my ISO.
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Well again, that point is probably moot since your alliance started before Mzero attacked Leo. Which, if he did that on his own, you couldnt have been prepared for regardless of alignment.
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I will grant you that the lynch being between two scum defanged a lot of my negative feelings at your alliance bit.

But If Mzero acted on his own accord, probably the case, then perhaps scum wanted to vote Mzero out of sheer spite?
Or they were covering both angles since it didnt matter who died first anyway.
I feel both Leo and Mzero could have talked their way out anyway, given how little sense it still makes. The latter was just unlucky that Corrik was there.
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Before I keep going I just want to make sure that @pxlated is with us.
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Gonna try to take an early rest today. Hope to hear more from ya, shad.
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For the record, you arent still I presume?
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Okay.
Gonna assume than that its not a habit of your own role then
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Also not to forget that Mzero an apparent usurper, got Leo the paranoid roleblocking and semi-psychic godfather lynched
Which was fun for us.
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Just trying a jedi mind trick

You got the legend of dragoon part tho
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First things first then

Did anything unexpected happen to you on the last 3 days?
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As for how to proceed, thats a tricky one.
We have good reason to presume you to be scum, mostly due to Process of Elimination.
We are probably not at Mylo, dont know how much you followed the game.
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Dels posted...

Ashethan posted...

Why not just claim your flavor, Dels?

Going to even ask nicely. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

I woulda claimed for Chris if he asked nicely because it was a combination of niceness + it actually helping!

Flavor is totally irrelevant to the game. If I was scum, I could just grab any name off the safelist!

Not this again.

There is a reason flavor is important from you, Dels

Because it has to line up with what zam already claimed.
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Oh and btw congrats again, Shad.
I missed the official topic about it.
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Holy shit, it worked.
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Is that the flavor?
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Dels posted...

Ashethan posted...

Dels posted...

(again, this is why I'm mad at chris about my "lack of effort". there was clearly NO ONE coming in to replace zam if not for me. so. like. yeah. i'm better than an empty slot)

I replaced after you did.

yeah but then he asked for another replacement and it never happened, meaning

if i hadn't replaced, maybe you would've, but that'd still leave one of of eaed/zam out and empty.

we even lost a replace in between

poor 5tarscream
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Shad was the first Jinjo claim wasnt he?

Would shad claim his own flavor, if scum didnt know yet that Jinjos were a thing?
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Dels posted...

htaeD posted...

I feel like if Mzero was a scum usurper with a jack just as his flavorname he'd be bussed to death right away. Mzero must have had jack abilities, or else thats a pretty shitty disguise.

huh?

Jack was his role. Idk what his flavour name was shown as to the scumteam? i dunno i would just never use a usurper because its lame. hell I'm surprised blade did

hell its still possible that "Mafia Usurper" WAS his flavour name and that he actually was a jack. Maybe he wasn't a usurper at all.

but host meta is bad so whatever.

I was agreeing. I was just wondering about stuff.

I think he was a usurper though. It makes the most sense.

That OR, he thought he was a usurper and wanted to test it out.
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Ashethan posted...

I think when there's a usurper, the scum team doesn't get each other's roles. At least that's how it was in FFT Mafia. It might've changed since then. Though we did get each others' flavor.

(Also our Usurper had abilities--so Usurpers can be multiple roles)

Corrik can best tell us.
He was on a scumteam with a usurper once I believe.
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Also Leo

Sounds like someone who did not actually read Blade Mafia

Literally all of that has been asked and answered

Didnt seem to be very confused about Shads role either. He said this when Colzach wanted to know the exact nature of Shads claim.
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Continuing, I think the nonplussed reaction Han had to Shads claim, leans in to scum having their own jinjo.
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I feel like if Mzero was a scum usurper with a jack just as his flavorname he'd be bussed to death right away. Mzero must have had jack abilities, or else thats a pretty shitty disguise.
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And yes, in a scenario where you and Shad are both town. Then I'd definitely want Shad lynched first.

Because otherwise that could lead to us losing because of no replacements being found.
(Also at that point I feel the game should be held back until a replacement is found, whether Shad is scum or town. But I suppose that'd be a brand new setup thats never been ruled on before)
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Random thought also, paralyze could have been one of Mzero's powers.
Not useful info, but I wanted to note it anyway.
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Also ISOing everything Mzero, Leo and Han said about Shad.
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Dels posted...

htaeD posted...

And no I am still not seeing myself vote Shad.
But thats what the shad ISO is for.

man, that's weird to me

you do know that if i flip town, it'll be the entire game vs you?

wouldn't you rather lynch shad so that just in case he flips town and we realize "something is really wrong here", you have me alive to, like, keep working on finding scum, vs shad who... can't?

Its more that my personal ethics getting in the way.
Mechanically I can concede to your points.
But I want to know all that Shad has done, so I can at least have A read on him.
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Mzero was also a scumjack. (maybe?)
Maybe one of his jackpowers could have gotten him out of the hole... until Corrik kicked him down even deeper.
I struggle to imagine what though, and should probably stop until postgame
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And no I am still not seeing myself vote Shad.
But thats what the shad ISO is for.
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also
3 Watches and 1 Track
*canned laughter*
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Dels posted...

htaeD posted...

Did Mzero claim he still was power, when he said he'd lied? I need to check.
I mean his second claim was worse, so to me it looked like Corriks track caused Mzero's plans, whatever they were, to fall to ruin.

i thought he claimed right away that he actually had...

oh no, he didn't!

he calimed the 2 tracks 2 watches AFTER corrik said it, right?

Yeah
I am looking at it now
Mzero didnt even post until Corrik claimed
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Maybe this will somehow help

@Shaduln
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Mzero looked bad even before Corriks claim, and I still have no idea why he claimed that instead of something that could catch a paranoid roleblocker godfather (like a watcher).

Did Mzero claim he still was power, when he said he'd lied? I need to check.
I mean his second claim was worse, so to me it looked like Corriks track caused Mzero's plans, whatever they were, to fall to ruin.
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Kay

Why do you think Shad was paralyzed?
Did you even know that he claimed he was?
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I dont know what to make of Delse claiming to throw in the towel. It could be what he said. Or maybe he knows scum is still screwed even if he gets me lynched (which would implicate Shad a lot).
Or maybe thats just what he wants me to think.
Bleh, not gonna base any reads on that.

Ashethan posted...

htaeD posted...

At this point that could only be a scum power.. But why would scum target Shad of all people?

I think Chris hypothesized that it could've been Shad doing it to himself. (Shad seems to have disputed that theory--but if he's scum, he could be lying)

But really a paralyze on day 2 seems way too early to use. Especially since Paralyze doesn't stop you from talking IIRC, just voting. (Well obviously, since Shad talked to mention he was paralyzed) It's one of those powers that really only come in handy at the end of the game. I guess if they wanted to make Shad look one way or the other, they could do it.

good point. And yes a lot of people, myself included, talked about a selfparalyze situation.
Maybe scum didnt think their paralyzer would live til Mylo/Lylo situations?

And wait, Shad shouldnt be paralyzed anymore... should he?
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Leo on the other hand didnt talk about it in his first 2 posts.
And he theorized it was a scumkidnap, which he knew was a lie.. (unless kidnaps can resolve during the middle of the day now, and we did have n0 roles after all. So probably not). He was probably in his funny phase anyway. But its still odd that he didnt comment on it right away.

Mzero was even stranger, he didnt mention Shad at all while he was gone.
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Hrm. From the start, we have Hans reaction to Shads mysterious absence.

##Vote: Shad

Does this do anything?

At first sight one might assume Han was as confused as everyone else, when it came to what the hell'd happened to Shad. When presumedly, a scumShad's role would at least be known to the scumboard. Wouldnt it? I dont recall how Blade hosts his scumboards.
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And we do have a case to compare it with

Leo

Its not certain, but I am pretty sure he did try to replace Leo..
Shad didnt have a reason to need one yet, I think.
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Yeah Like I said, some scumplayers have willingly gone quiet and towns have let them get away with it for far too long. I forget the game, but it worked for my scumteam with Tange once.

But considering Shads reasons, I dont think its something he himself planned.
Scum could still be holding back a replace though...

Then
The paralysis thing.
At this point that could only be a scum power.. But why would scum target Shad of all people?
Makes me think again of the Scumchris selfkidnap situation. Even then we werent suspecting Shad much at all yet.

Maybe it was another 'unexpected' thing that happens to Shads role?
But Shad didnt hint at anything weird on day3, so I dunno..

The paralysis wasnt proven either, was it? Though I dont think shad'd lie about it, considering he couldnt know Blade wouldnt do votals eventually.

Basically, the paralysis doesnt help me narrow things down at all.
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Its mostly just PoE. I kinda skipped over him largely as I ISO'd others. But I will get back to that.
On a post level, I have more against Delse.

Not saying we should lynch Shad. I was hoping he'd be replaced or that he'd return.
But the latter is unlikely and the former would give us a player who has a lot of catching up to do.
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Because I cant say anything good about him due to him not having more than a dozen posts.
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