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Rika_Furude posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

https://xkcd.com/936/

how accurate is this comic?

extremely accurate. although its still a good idea to throw a number, cap and symbol in there just so that dictionary attacks are ineffective

ah, cool, didn't know that the extra number would make a difference or not
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the most famous ship in Gundam is... https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/7/70/White-base.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120903113130

a sphinx!?
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https://xkcd.com/936/

how accurate is this comic?
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what is that one line? "that's just life in the oasis"? is that it?
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AlphaCuck posted...

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AlphaCuck posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

i wonder how many times a day this fact is pointed out

And yet nothing is ever done to level the playing field for men.

life for men should be difficult. a man's challenge in life is to overcome obstacles; no one wants to live in a society where men have an easy life because society suffers.

This is another problem men face. People expect and want their lives to be as difficult as possible.

no one wants their life to be difficult, that's just the way it is, and it happens to produce the most resilient people
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boxington posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

boxington posted...

associate's and bachelor's.

idk if I'm going for any other degrees, though.

i will probably cop a couple more degrees but i might also just go to trade school for welding

edit: i quoted this because it's my situation as well

iirc, you also have your BA in philosophy, right?

bunch of coincidences.

yeah lol. i assume you did your AA in a university bridging program or whatever? mine was called Liberal Arts
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boxington posted...

associate's and bachelor's.

idk if I'm going for any other degrees, though.

i will probably cop a couple more degrees but i might also just go to trade school for welding

edit: i quoted this because it's my situation as well
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kingdrake2 posted...

just avoid losing it like i do. i'm flying off the handle pretty good today. all because of that door (righteous anger).

what do you mean? what was it you were upset about the other day? a door?
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only one person at a time can play
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to talk about in the first session? how do i know if the therapist is any good? they're a PhD in counselling psych
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AlphaCuck posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

i wonder how many times a day this fact is pointed out

And yet nothing is ever done to level the playing field for men.

life for men should be difficult. a man's challenge in life is to overcome obstacles; no one wants to live in a society where men have an easy life because society suffers.
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i wonder how many times a day this fact is pointed out
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if sleep wasn't of growing importance to me, i'd probably use adderall all the time
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i thought it was pretty fucking terrible, but the actors were good
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race as a concept makes virtually no sense and is not consistent at all

black people have different skin tones and yet are all the same race? dark looking italians are white?
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i'm biracial so very likely any relationship i'm in will be a multiracial couple... unless i date another biracial girl, but they are pretty rare.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Till the day I die I will never understand why people are so hostile to Youtubers making money.

From "OMG It's not a real job! HOW FUCKING DARE THeY!"

to "OMG they got a sponsor!"

To "OMG They put midrolls in!"

Why are you so hostile and opposed to these dudes getting paid?

It would be like watching TV and then if Kevin Bacon turns up in a commercial you raging out and being mad at Bacon for getting a paycheck. It's his job, it's what puts food on the table and a roof over his kids.

Why do you have to be mad?

i actually do write celebrities and athletes angry letters when i see them in endorsements. how dare they spread their brand.
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i feel like it's still ahead of us
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well, they need to make money in order to make more content. it's not as if all their viewers are going to give to their patreon account or donate during streams. also just skip that part of the video?
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all signs point to YES
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DarthGravid posted...

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DarthGravid posted...

The key is to schedule "free days". I had the same problem until I started doing that.

Yes, but I'm saying the free days make you lose momentum anyway

I use my free day as a deadline. I set a mark that I must meet before that day, and if it isn't met, no free day. That mark doesn't have to be completion of the project, but some sort of defined checkpoint.

I like this!
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DarthGravid posted...

The key is to schedule "free days". I had the same problem until I started doing that.

Yes, but I'm saying the free days make you lose momentum anyway
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i broke my schedule for 2 days and now it's hard to get back the focus i had before that
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Chikorita is my favourite starter, it's so cute :3
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BignutzisBack posted...

Carl Jung of course

what book?

Asherlee10 posted...

Chalmers can be mind-bending, but you get used to reading about metaphysics and the brain after a while.

it was a joke about the hard problem of consciousness ^^

averagejoel posted...

Lenin - The State and Revolution

added to the list
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FluttershyPony posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

my discord friends are really into it

but i think the fire emblem one looks more interesting

fire emblem is even worse, ive never seen such a shallow, low budget game in my life. nintendo can literally get away with anything.

my rationale is just liking fire emblem for than fate
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Asherlee10 posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Are you interested in metaphysics and the brain?

yeah

also, depending on whether or not i can follow through i might make this a regular thing and do a book report topic/review on stuff CE recommends

Anything by David Chalmers is pretty good.

sounds... really... hard... :^)
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my discord friends are really into it

but i think the fire emblem one looks more interesting
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Asherlee10 posted...

Are you interested in metaphysics and the brain?

yeah

also, depending on whether or not i can follow through i might make this a regular thing and do a book report topic/review on stuff CE recommends
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

so people should be able to get liberal arts degree, is what you're saying? this is exactly what should not be the case

but i can get behind the idea of like, a 2 year general competency building program

i guess what you're saying is better
i just figure things like management courses, leadership courses, etc could be cool for a 2 year program like that

something to prepare you for the professional world that isn't a trade

you're right. business degrees are super common though, so most people are already in school for what we're talking about

i'm just bitter i didn't make better choices so whenever this topic comes up i need to post in it
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

sorry i don't know what you mean here. 'basic higher learning'?

errr liberal arts degrees

so people should be able to get liberal arts degree, is what you're saying? this is exactly what should not be the case

but i can get behind the idea of like, a 2 year general competency building program
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

What we need to do is backtrack on this "you have to go to college!" mindset our public school system instills in us from middle school onward. College is meant for people who genuinely have an interest for learning and being something more, and having a career that reflects that. It's not meant for people looking to check off some boxes because they want a job. It could be this way, but the academic environment has not adapted to this, and probably won't.

yeah, i guess this is how i feel
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

College should be open to everyone that wants it for just basic higher learning

sorry i don't know what you mean here. 'basic higher learning'?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

I should clarify myself

We should distinguish between college and university. College should be open to everyone that wants it for just basic higher learning - University entrance standards should be more stringent.

Not everybody needs to go to university.

that is what i meant

community college should be free, trades should be free, a philosophy degree under SOME circumstances should be free, but generally not, and some people should just not be admitted at all.

but then again, if you force everyone into CCs and trade school, guess what happens?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Why is that the assumption

Why not make college entrance requirements more stringent

not everybody needs to go to college

i am ambivalent about this

my life would have turned out better if i just went to trade school, all other things being equal, but also it's nice to have some intellectual capacity.
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i hung out with a CEman yesterday and it was a great time

we got pizza
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a recent psychotic delusion a while ago is that i'm actually an obese man stuck in a chair but with VR i can live life as a skinny dude

so maybe you're just playing a VR game
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did you know Zimmerman also killed CE?
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COVxy posted...

Typically personaltiy metrics (which, i add, do not fall out as categorical archetypes but moreover a set of continuous variables) account for a very small proportion of variance in response to any given cognitive task.

fair enough
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weed shouldn't make you dizzy, especially when you're not actually high. but it depends on what exactly you mean by dizzy. also it might be interaction with other drugs.
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COVxy posted...

Is the theory disproven if there are nonsystematic variations in beliefs?

i would say yes in the simplest version of the theory: presumably, archetypes should react predictably in the face of collective unconscious possibilities

EDIT: so genius autodiact (Leibniz, Newton) should reliably generate calculus against a backdrop of rapidly developing intellectual currents (englightenment)
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does the visible minority character have a girlfriend yet?
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COVxy posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

so if someone came up with an experiment that might at least confirm/verify the appearance collective consciousness, would you be open to accepting it? at least enough that you might get to the point of wanting to falsify it?

Of course.

Would you say that the simultaneous discovery of calculus by Newton and Leibniz is at least one reason to accept that the progression of enlightenment thought furnished pre-established conclusions that would have been evident to different people unaware of each other's works? sorry if that's a bit unclear

this might make it clearer: an event like the englightment puts certain ideas into people's heads, and those ideas have logical consequences. I would say it's not out of the question to say that collective unconscious is just the set of things people are likely to believe given the intellectual ferment of whatever historical period they are in. this is not 100% what Jung's theory is, but I think it is a more reasonable account that may or may not be testable.

another example is pervasive anxiety in postmodernity

Historical accounts are by nature not testable.

The theory needs to produce new falsifiable predictions. To give a bit of grounding, they usually follow the form:
"If I do this, then that will happen."

If I have a group of people read document Y they will have unconscious beliefs/intuitions on topics P and Q, further, those beliefs would be modified by their personality type (to add an account of archetypes to the experiment).

this experiment has likely already been conducted

edit: presumably the positive hypothesis would have the subjects exhbiting patterned beliefs
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COVxy posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

so if someone came up with an experiment that might at least confirm/verify the appearance collective consciousness, would you be open to accepting it? at least enough that you might get to the point of wanting to falsify it?

Of course.

Would you say that the simultaneous discovery of calculus by Newton and Leibniz is at least one reason to accept that the progression of enlightenment thought furnished pre-established conclusions that would have been evident to different people unaware of each other's works? sorry if that's a bit unclear

this might make it clearer: an event like the englightment puts certain ideas into people's heads, and those ideas have logical consequences. I would say it's not out of the question to say that collective unconscious is just the set of things people are likely to believe given the intellectual ferment of whatever historical period they are in. this is not 100% what Jung's theory is, but I think it is a more reasonable account that may or may not be testable.

another example is pervasive anxiety in postmodernity
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COVxy posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

What would constitute evidence in your opinion?

I bring a random sample of subjects into the lab, manipulate factor x, get result y, which supports theory z. The test was set up so that it was possible to get result t, and result t would have contradicted theory z.

so if someone came up with an experiment that might at least confirm/verify the appearance collective consciousness, would you be open to accepting it? at least enough that you might get to the point of wanting to falsify it?

edit: collective unconscious
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anyway, since I asked you guys I guess I have to follow through, here is the list:

Cioran - On the Heights of Despair
Nitchee- Anti-Christ
Spinoza- Theological-Political Treatise
Singer - Ethics in the Real World: 82 Brief Essays on Things That Matter
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SolaFide posted...

I cannot stand John Rawls' Theory of Justice. Not only is the book enormously dry and boring to read, but the ideas are absolutely awful.

If you want a humane and workable political philosophy work, Nietzsche and Spinoza are basically the last people whom you should read IMO.

Why, to both the first sentence and last sentence you typed out. From what I understand of Spinoza, his political views just culminate in free speech for everyone, which I actually don't necessarily categorically agree with. I don't like Nietzsche on principle either. People don't have the capacity to make their own value systems consistently, and unless he brings some other ideas to the table I don't know what he would add to a political conversation. Maybe I am missing something with both of these thinkers.

Do you just not like contract theory?

Lunar_Savage posted...

I'm a fan of Kant...even if I have some quibbles with parts of his stance.

Kant is great, and also compliments Rawls-- he's (Kant) in my primary readings.

myzz7 posted...

Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology

the only enlightening and differentiating philosophy book you'll find in this topic TC

can you set out the basic principles of objectivist epistemology? Rand doesn't appeal to me at all and I have zero interest, less than Nitchee even.

dib153 posted...

The 48 rules of power

i actually read this in high school, lol. My teacher was disappointed in me for reading a book like that.

joestarrr posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Anything by Peter Singer is pretty interesting.

This x10000

I don't necessarily agree too much with the meta-ethical underpinnings of some of his work, but it makes for thought provoking and interesting reading.

the guy that said infanticide is okay? I mean I don't even know that I disagree with such a bold claim
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COVxy posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

@COVxy

I don't think the ideas behind collective unconscious and archetypes are wrong.

I mean, any personality psychology will point to the fact that most people fall under some kind of basic type, and isn't he also a personality psychologist? Evidence for the collective unconscious exists too.

Empirical science is great, but that doesn't mean anything that is not strictly verified or falsifiable cannot be true.

You may not think they are wrong, but there is no way to know either way. That is why they are unscientific. There is no "evidence" for the collective unconscious. And no factor analysis of personality has ever yielded Jungian archetypes.

What would constitute evidence in your opinion? Actually, I'd be interested in hearing what you think a collective unconscious actually means
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