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So now it's finally getting out of control. OK.
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DeathChicken posted...

Actually I'm a history scholar who has studied numerous firsthand accounts circa the 1930s or so of people doing *exactly* what you're doing to try and downplay the rise of fascism. I'd find it humorous if it wasn't terrible.

Like denying business services to people with different political beliefs than you?
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Are you expecting Board 8 members to be former Verizon employees? Everything I'm about to say is from an outside perspective, so take it with a grain of salt.

If it's all commission good luck w/ that. The only way you're going to pull any sort of significant wages from that is selling to business, which you probably have already figured out. There's only so many suppliers in the market, and the differentiation between them isn't so large (iirc you're in NYC, so quality of service should be more or less standardized across your competition). At that point you're all just stuck in an endless circle jerk of stealing customers from each other by undercutting each others prices. If he / Verizon isn't providing you with a ton of good leads you're not gonna come anywhere close to making that kind of money. Even if they are --- you're probably not making that kind of money. There are a lot of sales reps out the bast majority are not making 120k a year. If it were that simple to make that w/ Verizon they wouldn't be looking for reps, reps would be flocking to them.

That said if you have nothing going on and want to take on a job where you define your hours and see how it goes what's the harm in trying it out.
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Inviso posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i just don't get why it's necessarily "gay bashing," i guess.

if there's a cartoon about trump and merkel kissing, is it "straight bashing"?

I think it's the historical difference in how heterosexual relationships and homosexual relationships are viewed in society. Heterosexual relationships are historically "normal", while homosexual relationships are historically "abnormal", so making a political cartoon about two male leaders in a relationship carries more of a connotation of "look how weird and deviant this is" that Trump x Merkel wouldn't have.

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And Inviso clearly meant it in the literal way
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Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Inviso posted...

while homosexual relationships are historically "abnormal",

yeah, maybe it's just a cultural difference.

i live in the netherlands so the "homosexual relationships are abnormal" thing is kinda laughable to me >_>

homosexual relationships are abnormal by definition
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Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up

wake up schafle
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Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up

Seeing them tomorrow, but I don't have some loser story to make it seems special XFD
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Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up

He's a genius who does stupid things like every other genius ever.

You'd have to be a dingus to even entertain the question
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The tipping points are the anomalies though. I am not arguing that there is a 0% chance as already stated. 2020 certainly can be that point. Given the current political climate it certainly appears to be far more likely that it won't. These things obviously are not stuck on a track headed in one direction, but the track definitely has to start shifting or the direction reversed before we even start approaching the possibility of a full on paradigm shift. My contention is that shift or reversal hasn't even begun to take place yet as a result of a Trumps presidency and there has already been the loudest outrage over his presidency/the government in at least the last 40 years. Given that, the likelihood of some seminal event transpiring at this point, to even start moving the needle, let alone fundamentally changing how we decide to govern ourselves, in the next 2 years seems infinitesimally small. 50 years might just be 2*25, but the time it takes for these things to occur is real. I can't brush my teeth in 2 seconds but I can brush it in 50. I can finish brushing my teeth in 2 seconds if I'm already 48 seconds into it. I'm contending we're not 48 seconds into it. We just took the cap off the toothpaste.
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foolm0r0n posted...

HotDogButts posted...

Why do you see it as mindless

Because if you take that idea to its logical conclusion, it's obviously absurd. Even if you take it just a little bit down the road (50-100 years), it reaches absurdity pretty quickly. And even stronger, you could argue that the past election has already contradicted that idea.

So it can only be an idea that someone who has given no thought would hold. Mindless.

And yet you argue that things are moving in the opposite direction, presently. How is that not ultimately a contradiction? Are you taking umbrage with "foregone conclusion" indicating 100% chance rather than 99%? I understand what you're saying, and yeah it's obviously true (and was considered before even making that post on my end). But we're not talking about ultimate logical conclusions and we're not talking about 50 years down the line, we're talking about 2. At this point Trump is Trump, and the reaction is the reaction. There is little to no reason to believe that the next thing he does that people don't like are going to make them question the foundation of our political system. It could happen, but there is no rational reason to expect it to happen, as far as I can see. If you have some reasonable reason as to having that expectation, ok, I maintain the possibility of being wrong/not having considered something. But that doesn't make the cynicism mindless, and given what we presently know and are experiencing, the optimism certainly seems like the more mindless of the two choices for some radical philosophical shift of the American populace in the next 2 years for reasons unstated.
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foolm0r0n posted...

HotDogButts posted...

Do you actually believe this question doesn't already have a foregone conclusion?

Sure

Mindless cynicism isn't a virtue

Why do you see it as mindless? You yourself recognize the overton window moving towards totalitarianism. If you are diagnosing the current political climate as moving away from what you would consider progress, is the cynicism not well founded and the optimism rooted in greater relative mindlessness?
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foolm0r0n posted...

We'll see how the next presidential election goes though, whether people were able to remember 4 years ago or if the media machine still has total power.

Do you actually believe this question doesn't already have a foregone conclusion?
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SmartMuffin posted...

This is actually pretty cool. Trump may not be shaking people's faith in the government and in democracy in general, but maybe he's gonna get us to a place where people start to believe in the freedom of association again.

LOL

These people do not believe in freedom of association. They believe in their arbitrary set of beliefs that sometimes fall under different umbrellas like freedom of association.
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nah, he forgot to bold "is"
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SmartMuffin posted...

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/22/report-tesla-plans-to-close-a-dozen-solar-facilities-across-nine-states/

Yeah, my roommate works for SolarCity/Tesla and work has been in steady decline from him ever since Tesla bought them out, but it also already seems like they have a shortage of people. Really don't know what's going on with them. He gets maybe a job a day, goes and spends a couple hours there, and then bills them for an 8 hour day... apparently that's standard protocol for their employees. But they've been cutting benefits and bonuses over the last year. Then all of a sudden they have no employees to work jobs in Florida or Maryland, etc, and they send guys out of state for weeks at a time, paying for their housing/food/etc. The SolarCity part of their business just sounds awful from everything I hear from him.
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The sad thing is most people think it's more ridiculous to stop 8 year olds from selling water than all the government sanctioned murder, so I support his examples.
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The shooting wasn't necessary, but it's pretty hard to get up in arms about a drive-by suspect, in a car with bullet holes in it, running from the cops, who ditched a gun on the floor of the car, had an empty clip on him and gun residue on his hands, getting wrongfully shot by the cops.

If you don't want to get killed by cops don't participate in a murder. We literally have people protesting and crying over a murderer.
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On the one hand I like it because business owners should be able to deny service to people they don't like, but on the other hand she's fat and a woman and they should both be protected classes.
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I would be surprised if the majority of them didn't have a change of opinion. Democrats didn't wake up in 2012 and suddenly start genuinely caring about gay people. They did so because it was finally in their political interests to do so.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

another thing i love about the "DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO BRING IN IMMIGRANTS TO VOTE FOR THEM OLOLO" nonsense is the implication that the democratic party is on the verge of falling apart and is desparately looking for voting cattle everywhere they can find it. like the US has exclusively had republican presidents for decades before trump or something. seems more like wishful thinking than anything.

Democrats haven't won the white vote in like 30 years or some shit. Don't quote me on the actual time frame, but it's been a long time. Open borders isn't wrong because of it, but the Dems pretty damn clearly pander to the hispanic/black/minority vote through their policy initiatives. You'd have to be blind not to see it. Sometimes it's good (open borders), sometimes it's bad (welfare state).
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Did you morph into Lustersolider?
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I like feelings
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Seems like instead of teaching men not to rape we should be teaching men to not abandon their kids.
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Definitely Vlado, at least there's predictability and consistency there. You can plan around that. Ulti would carry out a genocide one day and then apologize about it the next week.
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ban box cutters
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

HotDogButts posted...

Yep, and ended things immediately. She tried to gaslight me after the fact about how much I hurt her by ending things and nothing happened etc. Fast forward almost 10 years and she's miserable, depressed, a drug addict and got fat. So dodged that bullet I guess.

She also cheated on her boyfriend with me like 5 years after that so I guess she never got over her ways. She said nothing about him before it happened but I learned after the fact she was with someone (not through her). Had no intentions of it becoming a thing as she was visiting from out of state so it wasn't an issue for me. Found the whole thing pretty amusing.

Lol u banged a sad fat drug addict

She was only halfway there at that point.
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Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up

Yep, and ended things immediately. She tried to gaslight me after the fact about how much I hurt her by ending things and nothing happened etc. Fast forward almost 10 years and she's miserable, depressed, a drug addict and got fat. So dodged that bullet I guess.

She also cheated on her boyfriend with me like 5 years after that so I guess she never got over her ways. She said nothing about him before it happened but I learned after the fact she was with someone (not through her). Had no intentions of it becoming a thing as she was visiting from out of state so it wasn't an issue for me. Found the whole thing pretty amusing.
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She was fully aware of his behaviors (the situation) though. Now you're adding weird addendums of being fully aware of people's inner psychologies for being the way they are. There's a world of difference between that and the realities of your situation. And something that no one ever really has.
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Assuming this account is true,

neonreaper posted...

Id say it depends on if he was actively taking advantage of it. He could just be a crappy insecure guy who had some person give him too much power over her. I mean, he is totally abusive. But a little sympathy for the devil here, he might just have his own set of relationship issues that need help and not just people hunting for justice.

I know neon backed off this post, but I think this is mostly true. Especially given his reaction when she told him about the kiss with the other guy. Treating someone the way he did makes him a total and complete douche and all around turd.

Emeraldegg posted...

trentpac posted...

"Our relationship started out poorly. Within 2 weeks, rules were quickly established."

I stopped reading there. I'm sorry I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who gets themselves in a bad relationship FROM THE START and wonders why things got so bad down the road.

She's not asking that you feel sorry for her, she's trying to bring awareness for other people who have or may in the future run into this, to learn from her mistakes.

Nah, this is pretty clearly not about bringing awareness, literally everyone is already aware of this story in a million other forms. It's sad but it's a cliche at this point. Someone else talking about it doesn't change awareness. She probably has actually convinced herself of this, but it's totally about vengeance. Which is shitty, but again, assuming her account is true, the fact that he tried to sabotage her career after the fact removes all sympathy for him. If he was just a scumbag who treated her this way, he'd be fucked up, but wouldn't deserve his career being destroyed, imo, given her willing role in the matter, emotional abuse or not. Him trying to destroy her career makes this fair play though.

Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

No, it doesn't matter because being in a relationship, regardless of reason, isn't wrong.

What are you talking about? If you're in a relationship for money or to have a "trophy wife", I think most people would find that to be wrong.

As long as both people are fully aware and are down with it, whats wrong it it?

Isn't this the logic someone would use to defend Hardwick's behavior in their relationship? They were both fully aware of their situation and both continued to take part in the relationship, establishing being "down with it." The selective moral relativism here is weird.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Who would play what with PG/Kawhi/LeBron.

They're all SF.

LeBron 1
PG 2
Kawhi 3

murder
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Campaign manager for Cantwell.
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empire records
john cusak movies
airheads
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wrong
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If it's not going to be prosecuted what's the point of making the law ?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Question: who would you take in a one-on-one scenario?

LeBron or MJ?

LeBron, he'd call his own foul every possession.
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Mentally weak LeBron James takes himself out of finals.
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what are the excuses for LeBron when he forms Super Team No. 3?
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I to this day dont understand how NBA players can airball wide open shots like that. How is this your craft
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Lol LeBron just straight up sprinted with the ball over his head

Greatest achievement of his career?
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By definition, no. You cannot be "close" to someone you don't talk to with regularity. You don't know what's going on with their lives.

If you're asking if you can be "true/meaningful/deep/real/etc" friends with someone you don't talk to regularly, duh, yeah absolutely. I have a lot of extremely good / lifelong friends who I would not currently consider myself close to. I would still shit all over my own life to help them out in a pinch.
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He could score 100 and he shouldn't get it. Durant already broke them.
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Him gunning for it just shows that he's not it.
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do you really think making things non profit changes where the money goes ?
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They have completely different games. Klay has about half the explosion of Harden.
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