Lurker > bobbaaay

EdgeMaster posted...

bobbaaay posted...

You're seriously a total piece of shit.
It has nothing to do with your weight, my weight, or any other person you may directly know or is on this board.

It has to do with you being blatantly ignorant, and having the gall to suggest it's as simple as "everyone is lazy and dumb durrr." I guess nobody's ever thought of that one, genius! Shut down the fda! Shut down public health organizations! We can just quit studying the epidemic -- cause it's THAT simple!

Like what the fuck? You're seriously next level ignorant and trash.
You're beneath human

bobbaaay posted...

And if you WERE going to say there are zero other factors other than personal irresponsibility -- wouldn't you want to explore what causes a culture, en masse, to submit to such a degree of irresponsibility? Wouldn't there have to be an underlying reason? Otherwise rates would be universal across all first world countries?

Or would you rather just chalk it up to people being born irresponsible or some shit?

And what are you accomplishing just shaming people? What sound solutions do you propose? Are you just going to make a juvenile joke like "put down the burgers lol"?

Or does it have nothing to do with you caring about the epidemic? Or is your viewpoint all just a vehicle for your masturbatory self-congratulatory compensation for other areas of your life where you're not as fortunate to probably have a fast metabolism, eat like garbage, and put forth zero effort while still being within normal weight parameters?

Cant be fucked to read all this shit so just skimmed it. But yeah it has a lot to do with weight. Im 220lbs and cut like diamonds. So hard swing and miss on your final sentence there.

I also eat plenty of 1/2lb burgers. I dont grocery shop at the gas station, eat fast food exclusively or blame my thyroid or society. Much like half the US population that isnt obese or much of Europe that isnt either.

So anyway, how fat are you?

You're literally the dumbest, most willfully ignorant person I've met in my entire life.
You comprehend absolutely nothing. I pity whatever desolate children you one day raise.

I'm not even being hyperbolic or flaming. I'm being literal

CM_Ponch posted...

So how fat are you?

Nobody's weight here has anything to do with posters here being intellectually lazy and intellectually dishonest

And if you WERE going to say there are zero other factors other than personal irresponsibility -- wouldn't you want to explore what causes a culture, en masse, to submit to such a degree of irresponsibility? Wouldn't there have to be an underlying reason? Otherwise rates would be universal across all first world countries?

Or would you rather just chalk it up to people being born irresponsible or some shit?

And what are you accomplishing just shaming people? What sound solutions do you propose? Are you just going to make a juvenile joke like "put down the burgers lol"?

Or does it have nothing to do with you caring about the epidemic? Or is your viewpoint all just a vehicle for your masturbatory self-congratulatory compensation for other areas of your life where you're not as fortunate to probably have a fast metabolism, eat like garbage, and put forth zero effort while still being within normal weight parameters?

You're seriously a total piece of shit.
It has nothing to do with your weight, my weight, or any other person you may directly know or is on this board.

It has to do with you being blatantly ignorant, and having the gall to suggest it's as simple as "everyone is lazy and dumb durrr." I guess nobody's ever thought of that one, genius! Shut down the fda! Shut down public health organizations! We can just quit studying the epidemic -- cause it's THAT simple!

Like what the fuck? You're seriously next level ignorant and trash.
You're beneath human

EdgeMaster posted...

bobbaaay posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

bobbaaay posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Yep! Let's just shut down public health organizations, eliminate any food accessibility or assistance programs -- quit doing any research. The solution is everyone is just "lazy and dumb!" What insight!

Edgelord has spoken! It's all THAT simple! Let's just approach the problem like a high school football coach in the 70s and just yell and shame people!
We've been so misguided as a society putting forth any effort doing anything else!

How fat are you?

I'm fat because I'm not willfully ignorant? Okay

No, its safe to assume youre fat because instead of taking personal responsibility you like to blame an obesity epidemic on economic, social and archeological factors. Its just easier to blame something much bigger you cant fix yourself instead of taking personal responsibility.

Yeah, theres an obesity epidemic, but half the US isnt obese. Theres no secret half the population is keeping from you. Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to have that little control of what you put in your mouth?

Guide posted...

I don't have to do the work, though. I know that literally no scientific source exists that supports Edge. If he can find one that proves me wrong, then it's easy for him, but I know he can't. So now he'll squirm and lash out, or just quit.

I invite you to try and find a source yourself.

Youre trying to have me dig up sources for how much groceries cost while simultaneously claiming that cheap low quality food has properties that make you gain fat at an accelerated rate compared to food that grew from the ground or was a live animal.....

I also think its funny how you like to pretend I dont know anything and wont be able to find sources to prove how much a bag of chicken or potatoes cost. You think Ill google around and be wrong in my claims when it really just takes going inside a grocery store. I like how youre so adamant and smug yet youre the type of person where I could spit in your face in real life and I doubt youd have the guts to hit me.

Im still waiting for the source saying that processed food is addictive. Gas station donuts and chips dont have nicotine or caffeine in them. Read the label ffs. Double digit IQ at its finest.

How many times do i need to tell you it's a well documented, heavily studied epidemic? You really are insecure in yourself if you somehow think it's okay to oversimplify something that literally is an EPIDEMIC, with tons being researched and done to help. Imagine if you just said, "yeah, cancer cells are just negativity, man."

You're literally disregarding tons and tons of studies and people's life work. You're seriously an unfathomable level of ignorant

cuttin_in_farm posted...

bobbaaay posted...

You're all seriously the dumbest fucking people alive. Jesus fucking christ.

As if exploring causes and finding solutions is detrimental in some way. Nope! Shame is the path all public health officials, sociologists, psychologists, physicians, dietitians, etc. Should take

I just think youre giving people too much benefit of the doubt. Are there larger, complex factors? Of course.

But a large part, imo, is personal choice as well. I believe this is only an American issue, yes? Are other countries growing larger too?

Obesity rates have been going up in China, largely due to Western influence

You're all seriously the dumbest fucking people alive. Jesus fucking christ.

As if exploring causes and finding solutions is detrimental in some way. Nope! Shame is the path all public health officials, sociologists, psychologists, physicians, dietitians, etc. should take! People are just stupid and lazy. Case closed! Problem solved!

EdgeMaster posted...

Guide posted...

You know it's just going to look worse the further you go.

Says the guy who thinks certain foods make you fat easier and doesnt grocery shop for himself.

Ironic you say this as I provide concrete, very simple to understand examples as to how regular ass grocery store food isnt expensive and is cheaper than fast food or trash you would get at a gas station and the best you can do is pull the ya gonna need some sources, you wont be able to prove that card.

Its funny how this all started. I say being fat is because someone is lazy, not a thyroid problem, and a fat guy appears and proceeds to tell me it isnt his fault, its actually societys and you show up as the reinforcements. Lol.

Nobody said anything is solely society's fault. I just said you're an arrogant fucking moron if you think you can oversimplify a complex issue and disregard any efforts, progress, or research being done to assist in reversing it

CM_Ponch posted...

bobbaaay posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Yep! Let's just shut down public health organizations, eliminate any food accessibility or assistance programs -- quit doing any research. The solution is everyone is just "lazy and dumb!" What insight!

Edgelord has spoken! It's all THAT simple! Let's just approach the problem like a high school football coach in the 70s and just yell and shame people!
We've been so misguided as a society putting forth any effort doing anything else!

How fat are you?

I'm fat because I'm not willfully ignorant? Okay

Kineth posted...

bobbaaay posted...

-Final Fantasy Tactics has a bland story. Tactics Ogre is waaaaay better storywuse

Fight me.

People who like fft for "story". I don't understand.

-Final Fantasy Tactics has a bland story. Tactics Ogre is waaaaay better storywuse

bobbaaay posted...

Yep! Let's just shut down public health organizations, eliminate any food accessibility or assistance programs -- quit doing any research. The solution is everyone is just "lazy and dumb!" What insight!

Edgelord has spoken! It's all THAT simple! Let's just approach the problem like a high school football coach in the 70s and just yell and shame people!
We've been so misguided as a society putting forth any effort doing anything else!

I thought you were talking about Celes from ff6 lol

Being obese isn't healthy - but neither is oversimplifying complex social issues and shaming others in an attempt to satisfy your fragile egos

What about people with felonies who already served their time -- but can't find work now?

Balnazarr posted...

Except shaming doesn't work.You just want to insult fat people. Fat acceptance shouldn't be seen as good but, shaming and insulting them never works, ever.

Thank you. CE doesn't get basic concepts like this

Joe Rogan is a poster child for CEmen. Tons of surface level pseudo intellectual, hyper libertarian, "personal responsibility" garbage he spews.

I also love how edgelord or whatever thinks i care about his body fat %. I guess that immediately makes him an expert on a complex issue like the obesity epidemic.

Yep! Let's just shut down public health organizations, eliminate any food accessibility or assistance programs -- quit doing any research. The solution is everyone is just "lazy and dumb!" What insight!

Mist_Turnips posted...

bobbaaay posted...

I see CE is still CE years later.

bobbaaay posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Being fat messes with your hormones.

Nah

Being fat is a sign of instability and poor mental health.

Just like being poor or going to school for a non STEM field, rite CE?

Either fat or stuck dating fatties.

No - just a decent human being

EdgeMaster posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Anthropological? In a culture of excess most people have lost their innate hunger cues. Most people can't tell when they're actually hungry or full, and eat more out of habit. There's also a thing called mindful eating -- which is focusing your thoughts and energy strictly on eating and not other distractions. This is a big part of diabetes education, for example. Not eating as a family or unit, and doing things while you're eating causes people to overeat.
A departure from strict food cultures has caused plenty of people to not grow up learning how to cook well. You can make tons of jokes like "lol it's not hard to throw chicken in an oven and boil some broccoli" or whatever other ignorant thing CEmen would say -- but that's not something that's appealing to everyone.

Sociological and/or economic? Eating on the go -- a culture that doesn't emphasize eating as an event or gathering. A lack of food education, cooking education, food safety education, basic nutrition education. Conflicting information bombarding consumers. Food accesibility. A culture based on the virtues of "personal responsibility" (idiots like 100# CEmen grasping their Ayn Rand books close to heart) making it difficult to fund or promote social programs to help with education or food accessibility (Obama did so much in these areas and already tons of it is getting reversed). The idea of limited trunk space, especially in areas where people rely on public transportation. Public transportation routes. Grocers avoiding development in lower income areas. "Health food" being a boogeyman word in certain communities. Etc. Etc.

All of the psychological causes are being terribly oversimplified, too. Yes - disordered eating is an eating disorder.
But you're also ignoring eating as a means of coping, stress eating, etc. Eating for tons and tons of psychological reasons -- like people who have eating disorders where they'll only eat the same foods for comfort, people with autism not cooking themselves because they like the reliability and dependability of eating out (especially chains).

I studied food and nutrition and work in the field. Don't front about shit you don't devote your life to learning

1) lol eating out of habit. Easy solution, dont have shitty habits.

2) a culture that doesnt emphasize eating as an event or gathering Some valid points here, notably conflicting info bombarding consumers. Still though, it boils down to personal responsibility, many families eat dinner together and I always went to dinner in college with friends and dates are a thing. There is plenty of opportunities to enjoy food as a gathering in US culture.

As far as eating as a means of coping, theres plenty of other methods of coping that you could make a strong argument claiming theyre better than being obese. Like smoking or nail biting.

Theres plenty of people who arent obese who dont have perfect diets with minimal exercise so what other excuse is there left besides laziness and stupidity? It certaintly isnt a thyroid problem.

I like the last part. Im 220lbs at 8%bf lol.

You're just an unempathetic ignoramus - just admit it.

The only good thing quiznos ever did was use rathergood for their advertising.

The bread smell is rank, but they're decent for the price and how abundant they are. More fresh vegetables than the other national sub chains -- granted Sheetz/Get Go/WaWa are all much better in that regard, and penn station tastes the best.

Much more appealing to me than firehouse/jersey mikes where the menu is almost literally only coldcuts. At subway i can get veggie patties, roasted chicken breast, rotisserie chicken, carved Turkey. Plus some of their dressings are great -- like the aoli they have right now, the cranberry mustard during Thanksgiving, and the sweet onion

Anthropological? In a culture of excess most people have lost their innate hunger cues. Most people can't tell when they're actually hungry or full, and eat more out of habit. There's also a thing called mindful eating -- which is focusing your thoughts and energy strictly on eating and not other distractions. This is a big part of diabetes education, for example. Not eating as a family or unit, and doing things while you're eating causes people to overeat.
A departure from strict food cultures has caused plenty of people to not grow up learning how to cook well. You can make tons of jokes like "lol it's not hard to throw chicken in an oven and boil some broccoli" or whatever other ignorant thing CEmen would say -- but that's not something that's appealing to everyone.

Sociological and/or economic? Eating on the go -- a culture that doesn't emphasize eating as an event or gathering. A lack of food education, cooking education, food safety education, basic nutrition education. Conflicting information bombarding consumers. Food accesibility. A culture based on the virtues of "personal responsibility" (idiots like 100# CEmen grasping their Ayn Rand books close to heart) making it difficult to fund or promote social programs to help with education or food accessibility (Obama did so much in these areas and already tons of it is getting reversed). The idea of limited trunk space, especially in areas where people rely on public transportation. Public transportation routes. Grocers avoiding development in lower income areas. "Health food" being a boogeyman word in certain communities. Etc. Etc.

All of the psychological causes are being terribly oversimplified, too. Yes - disordered eating is an eating disorder.
But you're also ignoring eating as a means of coping, stress eating, etc. Eating for tons and tons of psychological reasons -- like people who have eating disorders where they'll only eat the same foods for comfort, people with autism not cooking themselves because they like the reliability and dependability of eating out (especially chains).

I studied food and nutrition and work in the field. Don't front about shit you don't devote your life to learning

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

bobbaaay posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

bobbaaay posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Being fat messes with your hormones.

Nah

Being fat is a sign of instability and poor mental health.

Just like being poor or going to school for a non STEM field, rite CE?

Being fat is a sign of poor mental health.

Unless you have a thyroid issue, you are fat because you have an eating disorder.

I think you're drastically oversimplifying a very complex social issue.

The disorders you have that cause you to be obese are complex, yes. They are almost all mental or developmental disorders.

Normal people don't become obese.

You're still oversimplifying. You may touch on the psychology or physiology - but you're still totally ignoring sociological, anthropological, economic, and tons and tons of other areas of study that relate to the epidemic.

A bunch of nerds with surface level tastes, obsessed with the status quo (as rikasa said) - who regularly dismiss anything relating to poverty, blue collar, or counter culture.
Tons of classism, a lack of understanding regarding soft sciences, a lack of understanding counter or sub-cultures, and an inability to understand that not everybody shares their same values or desires.
Also totally ignorant in issues regarding poverty, obesity, women, and plenty of other topics.

EdgeMaster posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Being fat messes with your hormones.

Nah

Being fat is a sign of instability and poor mental health.

However it's difficult to talk about what constitutes fat on CE because some people are convinced that super hot thick curvy girls are "fat". So this doesn't really apply to girls who actually have nice genes that distribute the fat correctly.

You forgot stupid too. Like literally how stupid do you have to be to have that little control over what you put in your mouth?

Jeeeesus you're a terrible human

Michelle lookswise by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
She's at least a few points higher than the others on a 10 point scale

Kelly for personality
Beyonce for talent

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

bobbaaay posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Being fat messes with your hormones.

Nah

Being fat is a sign of instability and poor mental health.

Just like being poor or going to school for a non STEM field, rite CE?

Being fat is a sign of poor mental health.

Unless you have a thyroid issue, you are fat because you have an eating disorder.

I think you're drastically oversimplifying a very complex social issue.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Being fat messes with your hormones.

Nah

Being fat is a sign of instability and poor mental health.

Just like being poor or going to school for a non STEM field, rite CE?

I see CE is still CE years later.

Irony posted...

Might as well have cast Shaq again

Shaq is funnier than Will Smith on any day of the week.

Ambience posted...

Why is this bobbaaay person having a meltdown over neo Nazis being called Nazis? Now saying he hopes another user dies?

Because I was compared to the rest of CE.
I literally can't stand the majority of the shit I've read here over the years. I think that this place represents some of the worst human beings.
Any thread about class, weight issues, women, etc.
They're all totally deplorable. I don't want to be compared to any other CEmen EVER

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Watching some dude meltdown over Neo Nazis being called Nazis is peak CE

I have been on CE for almost 10 years.

Fuck you for calling me peak CE. Fuck you immensely.
I am in no way like the incel infested, STEM or bust, McDonalds loving, fat shaming, classist shithole of CE.

Holy shit, I was wrong. This is peak CE right here.

No it's not
Seriously, I hate CE so fucking much.
you're seriously a piece of fucking trash for even comparing me.
I hope you die like that fucking classist piece of shit from here a few years ago.

lol hes gone beyond the peak, hes too CE for CE

Seriously i hope you and your whole family fucking die

A_Good_Boy posted...

bobbaaay posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Watching some dude meltdown over Neo Nazis being called Nazis is peak CE

I have been on CE for almost 10 years.

Fuck you for calling me peak CE. Fuck you immensely.
I am in no way like the incel infested, STEM or bust, McDonalds loving, fat shaming, classist shithole of CE.

You fit in quite firmly with the "gets irrationally upset just because people are saying bad things about nazis" crowd.

As a member of that group, y u mad bro?

Are you fucking dense? how the fuck am I defending Nazism by caring about using language correctly?

A_Good_Boy posted...

bobbaaay posted...

I like things to be correct. I'm sorry I have higher standards for language?

You're not correct for intentionally misrepresenting colloquialisms. You're wrong for deliberately misunderstanding how language works and you're wrong for deliberately misunderstanding what people are saying to you and you're wrong for deliberately ignoring the reasons for why the person that coined the term coined the term for.

Wow, you're at 3x for being wrong just to argue about semantical use of the word nazi. Might want to reduce how frequently you're wrong while you're trying to wage that battle of trying to be technically correct.

YOU'RE REFERRING TO A FUCKING NOW DEFUNCT FUCKING GROUP
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Watching some dude meltdown over Neo Nazis being called Nazis is peak CE

I have been on CE for almost 10 years.

Fuck you for calling me peak CE. Fuck you immensely.
I am in no way like the incel infested, STEM or bust, McDonalds loving, fat shaming, classist shithole of CE.

Holy shit, I was wrong. This is peak CE right here.

No it's not
Seriously, I hate CE so fucking much.
you're seriously a piece of fucking trash for even comparing me.
I hope you die like that fucking classist piece of shit from here a few years ago.

shockthemonkey posted...

Watching some dude meltdown over Neo Nazis being called Nazis is peak CE

I have been on CE for almost 10 years.

Fuck you for calling me peak CE. Fuck you immensely.
I am in no way like the incel infested, STEM or bust, McDonalds loving, fat shaming, classist shithole of CE.

I like things to be correct. I'm sorry I have higher standards for language?

Umbreon posted...

bobbaaay posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

You could say "neo-Nazi," "white supremacist," or just create a whole new fucking term for a whole new fucking group.

Like it's not that difficult.

Jesus fuck this is a stupid level of semantics

It's not a stupid level of semantics. It's semantics for the sake of not looking like an idiot.

Quick question.

When you see these people being called Nazis do you...

1. Understand they mean Neo-Nazis and not the literal Nazis from the WW 2 era.

or

2. Think people are literally trying to suggest they're the Nazis from the WW 2 era.

The first would bring into question why you're bringing up the sementics of somethinf that everyone understands.

The second, would disqualify you from not looking foolish.

Bonus question. Who cares, (Neo) Nazis ate pieces of shit. One just had more power and more of a death toll.

I like language to not be abused or misused. I know they're referring to neo-Nazism, but it's still abusing language.

A_Good_Boy posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Like hey - I hate alt right people, too - but it literally makes me cringe hearing people refer to them as Nazis. It sounds so fucking ignorant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

White supremacist[24]Richard B. Spencer initially promoted the term in 2010 in reference to a movement centered on white nationalism;[25] according to the Associated Press, he did so to disguise overt racism, white supremacism, neo-fascism and neo-Nazism.[26]

Watch this be the 3rd dodge .

I answered the question 3 times now. Is it Germany? Is it a World War? Is Hitler leading them?

Like I'm honestly embarrassed for those I side with for such a huge misnomer.
It's like your mom rolling up playing Train on the radio as a kid. Like yeah - it's cool that it's your mom and she's giving you a ride and shit - but you're slightly embarrassed to be associated.

I'm a Toys R Us employee, guys. Cause I work in the toy department of Wal-Mart or wherever.

A_Good_Boy posted...

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Anteaterking posted...

bobbaaay posted...

I don't understand using the term "nazi" so loosely nowadays. Just because you share an opinion or two doesn't mean you're a part of that group, even if that opinion is shitty.

What are the key Nazi beliefs that you think aren't being emphasized by these groups?

You're talking about a political group from decades ago.
Like how does it not sound dumb as fuck to refer to them that way?

Whats wrong with calling people what they call themselves? Should I not call Shokan a Nazi even though he calls himself one?

example: what I said about straightedge and people not involved in the punk or hardcore scene. Just because you say you're a part of something because you share a few beliefs doesn't mean you ARE a part of something -- especially something that's now defunct, which is the case with actual Nazism.

I can't help but notice that's twice you've attempted to dodge that question.

I just answered it. I didn't dodge it?
Just because you say you're a member of something doesn't mean you are. How is that not an answer?

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

You could say "neo-Nazi," "white supremacist," or just create a whole new fucking term for a whole new fucking group.

Like it's not that difficult.

Jesus fuck this is a stupid level of semantics

It's not a stupid level of semantics. It's semantics for the sake of not looking like an idiot.

Youre literally upset that people said Nazis instead of Neo Nazis while trying to pretend that everyone else looks stupid.

read the example I just posted. People LITERALLY make me cringe using the term Nazi nowadays.

Like hey - I hate alt right people, too - but it literally makes me cringe hearing people refer to them as Nazis. It sounds so fucking ignorant.

A_Good_Boy posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Anteaterking posted...

bobbaaay posted...

I don't understand using the term "nazi" so loosely nowadays. Just because you share an opinion or two doesn't mean you're a part of that group, even if that opinion is shitty.

What are the key Nazi beliefs that you think aren't being emphasized by these groups?

You're talking about a political group from decades ago.
Like how does it not sound dumb as fuck to refer to them that way?

Whats wrong with calling people what they call themselves? Should I not call Shokan a Nazi even though he calls himself one?

example: what I said about straightedge and people not involved in the punk or hardcore scene. Just because you say you're a part of something because you share a few beliefs doesn't mean you ARE a part of something -- especially something that's now defunct, which is the case with actual Nazism.

shockthemonkey posted...

bobbaaay posted...

You could say "neo-Nazi," "white supremacist," or just create a whole new fucking term for a whole new fucking group.

Like it's not that difficult.

Jesus fuck this is a stupid level of semantics

It's not a stupid level of semantics. It's semantics for the sake of not looking like an idiot.

You could say "neo-Nazi," "white supremacist," or just create a whole new fucking term for a whole new fucking group.

Like it's not that difficult.

Anteaterking posted...

bobbaaay posted...

I don't understand using the term "nazi" so loosely nowadays. Just because you share an opinion or two doesn't mean you're a part of that group, even if that opinion is shitty.

What are the key Nazi beliefs that you think aren't being emphasized by these groups?

You're talking about a political group from decades ago.
Like how does it not sound dumb as fuck to refer to them that way?

I don't understand using the term "nazi" so loosely nowadays. Just because you share an opinion or two doesn't mean you're a part of that group, even if that opinion is shitty. That's like the huge headache I get when people who aren't involved in punk or hardcore call themselves straight-edge.
I think that's a really dumb way to classify things.