Lurker > Sheep007

I believe that Zach is aggressive, and slightly cocky, but firmly Town for me. He reminds me a little of Terra before he started mellowing out, and I've not seen anything from him that makes me want to lynch him. Is Zach somewhat new as well? Sorry I keep asking stuff like this, it's just a bit awkward to keep up with guys I don't recognise. He just strikes me as fairly new Town who's a decent enough player but easily set off and thinks he's a bit better than he is.
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Actually, I like my plan, thinking about it. Basically guarantees a minimum of one scan/scum, assuming nothing really unexpected comes into play. Let's keep Sultan alive for today.

Also, I have one more thing to ask - what reason does Zach have to claim Vig, under this scenario, as scum? There's already a lot of power claims, it basically confirms Ed, and any suspicion there was an extra kill wasn't really aimed at him, so it's not a potential defence for anything.

Panth, I can say with certainty that's typical God behaviour. He doesn't tend to get animated until he's challenged on a read, or about himself. That's just how he plays, which often makes him look bad and therefore can be an easy mislynch for scum, particularly early. I want more from him, but I lean Town.

I really don't like the fact that people are trying to drive today between Panth and Sultan. They're both probably going to be confirmable tonight, so I say we keep them both alive.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

Nobody seemed to care about joining me on Ben, so I think I'd like to jump to Red who seems to be the best alternative to Sultan/Panth.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Also it's probably too early to get too caught up in Plum conspiracy theories.

I think Pun's scenario will be proven wrong soon anyway. Realistically, either me or Tony will have to remain unblocked tonight, or I'll be killed and Tony is blocked. If Tony dies and I'm blocked, we kill Sultan. If neither me or Tony dies, one of us can scan. Anyway, as a result either my scans are confirmed, Sultan is confirmed Scum, or one of us can get another scan off.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm not usually the one to say this, but with this much claimed power and a good chunk of the game overall claimed already, we should probably consider a mass tomorrow, especially if we kill roleblocker today.

Totally agree with this. A mass almost certainly benefits Town. Would have liked it today but it's almost certainly too late.
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Howsabout 1D, and 4D?
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Considering I have a save to spare but nothing I want to save or trade, I think I'll keep it and vote whatever I feel like right at the end. Either for a NR or just to satisfy the control freak in me.
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Oh hey people turned up while I was typing and reading back.

Really not sure about the Panth voting, Tange. I'm alright with the lynch but it just feels lazy to vote him with that little comment on everything that happened since your last post. We have the time to press some other people, and if they satisfy us we can just hurry it up and pile on Panth.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Puns is the only one who agrees as strongly as me that Sultan fake claiming BG is impossible. And even with the theory that he's scum doc, it still makes BG a fake claim.

I don't think it's impossible. I can definitely see him fakeclaiming, most noobs aren't as awful with claims as people think imo. I'm inclined to believe him because of the setup to it, and so I'd rather go for you or Red today instead. Seems like everyone disappeared again though, which is disappointing so close to deadline.
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Ahh crap I never asked Sultan about the guys I scanned. Thought I had but I must have mixed him and Dumey up.
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EDumey posted...

I posted shortly after MZero and Han's bout. I mentioned a little bit of a paranoia about how it felt like scum had noticed me as a easy misdirect, and Han mentioned that as well. So my town surivival instint makes me immediately agree with Han. However, I'm not sure what to feel about Han claiming to set him up as bait before seitching to IGCD. I know from Day 1 that Han seems to like this style of prodding for reactions, but it seems to be like he is setting up a lynch target, and switching off quickly when it doesn't gather steam. Ultimately I think Han comes off looking awkward here. Still undecided on MZero as a whole.

For Tange, this may come off as mean, but when I last played with him a couple years ago he was still new and didn't have developed reads yet. We lost a game as town because he couldn't trust my read in the final four scenario. My gut tells me he's not an analytical player. So when he comes in for comments here or there but isn't really part of a conversation, it looks like coasting. Of all my reads, Tange is probably the most personality based of them, but that's mostly because he hasn't had a lot of content.

Sultan I don't like. I don't think Panthera and Sultan both exist in this setup. We have too much protection. The claim seems genuine because it's such an odd one to make, but it definitely is something that could be premeditated on a scum board. My biggest "bad" read on Sultan was when he was going after Corrik with really tenuous (this is my word of the game btw) arguments. But I suppose he could be inexperienced town tunneling on Corrik because he doesn't believe there would be two BG. If he's telling the truth the behavior makes sense. I think if Panth flips town at any point, we lynch Sultan, and vice versa.

Crescent and Red together? May have to read again because I don't recall specific interaction there. I asked twice about whether or not Crescent had a history of crusading for inactives, and was ignored both times. other people did bring up this behavior later, but still no one has answered about her history.

Red strikes me as definitely the most likely scum of the inactive pool. Corrik had a strong read on him Day 1 as "Red provides useful content as town, this Red is fluff." I know Red is a respected player, and I was giving him time to play the game, but he honestly hasn't improved that much. I did think I liked his posts at the beginning of Day 2 when he had an active streak. But that hasn't continued.

I've only just now realized that I have mostly negative opinions on everyone you asked about. For a quick breakdown I'd say Sultan and Tange are my biggest worries of that group of six, with a lot of hesitantance toward Han and Red.

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ScareChan posted...

If one is godfather I would say tange because inno scam giving him confidence to say scummon and what not on himself to get a scan on him

Yeah I would definitely lean more towards Tange as well, I'm pretty sold on MZero. Like I said though, should be our last option by quite some distance.

Can we start putting the pressure on Ben/Red now? There's disappointingly few votes out there in general.

Also, I'm going to bring back some of the posts from just after I replaced in, in light of these reveals, for you guys to pick at.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Those are my kind of scans. GOod job PJ. AM i allowed to vote him town mvp?

Yeah when I saw the PM, since I was watching the game throughout I was pretty delighted. Three of my 6-7 scum picks were basically shown to be Town by me, right there. I wouldn't be shocked if one of MZero or Tange was a Godfather but we can definitely deal with that if we get there (which we hopefully will not).

This, along with Zach's claim leaves, to me...

Red
Ben
Sultan
Panth
God
Han
Death
Dumey
Crescent

As the 9 which we should be picking all of our remaining lynches from, in descending order of how much I want to kill them.
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I wanted to keep it til tomorrow for a while because I thought if I could get another scan off on someone like Ben, Death, or Dumey, that was basically the game right there. However, it still really narrows down our options and hopefully means at least one of me or Tony gets the scan off tonight.
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...well Zach's claim was disappointing and slightly anticlimactic. Still, at least that's presumably all the power claims out. Thoughts?
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As I said earlier, I'm All the Way by Eddie Vedder

I'm the Cop. N1, PJ scanned Mzero innocent, and N2 Tange innocent.
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X:35 it is. Be there, lads.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Do you really think IGCD is that likely to be Scum?

I'm currently leaning Town on him, but I think if I was completely ignored at night after the claim, it'd be very likely that he was scum.
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EDumey posted...

I can't think of a single valid town reason for why a claim would be acceptable during twilight and not during day. Either you're okay with giving info before night actions or you're not. That statement really impliee that you think your claim might get you lynched.

Quick wall of text I was typing up when I missed Zach not being here.

I made a quick-fire decision as soon as I got the PM not to claim, and not to give in to the inevitable pressure at the start. I also wanted to claim in Twilight to give Scum a dilemma during the night, since my claim doesn't really give us a direction to push our lynch anyway. They effectively would have to risk killing me, or blocking me and leaving Tony alive (one of which they still likely will have to do if they don't want to be utterly screwed). This plan was also before I realized Zach was claiming power as well.

One of my particular ways of thinking was if God was scum, I think I would have been completely ignored, since I have a tendency to fakeclaim nilla as Town Power, and vice versa. This might incline him to suggest ignoring me completely which would help me get another scan off. Although I'm actually unsure, on reflection, if God had joined during the time I was notorious for fakeclaims anyway.
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Oh crap he is here.

Is xx:30 alright for you or do you need xx:35? I think we both need to make this claim now.
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Zach still ain't here though... He'd better come quick because we need some time to discuss what I have and presumably what he has too.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Sheep red and ben go why scum for each of you said already sorry

Please can you clarify? Cause I understand these words by themselves but I'm not quite sure what they mean in this order.
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My Hero Academia
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Doesn't look like Zach is online... Anyone know what times he's normally here?
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htaeD posted...

Why the change of heart?

A few reasons: I was planning on claiming at twilight, preferably after lynching either Red or Ben. However, considering it, I'd like some more time to discuss my info and since there's not really been any clear direction for a lynch, we need to start pushing one way or another. Furthermore, I think we can gain more info today from the reactions from my info if we have more time. Claiming just before deadline isn't an option, and honestly, I think claiming in Twilight or tomorrow risks me being lynched by a combo of Scum and annoyed Town.
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Pokmon HGSS
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Scare in Scum? Hot take, man, hot take.
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Okay, I thought a bit more about what Puns said. I'm not sure it's the best idea, but there's definitely players in the game who can make better use of my info together than I can, considering I'm the only one with it and very rusty. Is Zach around? I'd like to do a same time claim with him, I think it may blow this game open.
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EDumey posted...

Also, I don't remember how Mafia works. Is kill resolved last? So if scum shoots Jailkeeper, does Jailkeeper die with or without protect/roleblocking?

Kill is resolved last with few exceptions, yeah. All protecting/roleblocking roles should go before it.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Unless he tried to perform a kill on Tony and was stopped

This is my issue. If Panth is scum he's probably Jack. Or, very unlikely, but he and Ed could both be scum, with one being Jack and one full-time blocker. As I said, though, very unlikely
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htaeD posted...

We already trust FD though.

I'd honestly rather just confirm Panth's Mason at this point. FD isn't going to die, and Panth can't claim blocked this night if Ed doesn't do this again.
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turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

who should Panth recruit or block anyway?

do you have any suggestions

I suggest FD.
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I second that. Ed absolutely cannot jail him today, and doing it yesterday was a big mistake.
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I get what you're saying Puns, but I'm not trying to play hero. My first instinct when I saw my role PM was to not claim my role yet, and I stand by that for now. I'll... consider it. I need to mull over the pros and cons. Voting for me or threatening to lynch me won't change my mind on claiming either way, so don't bother unless you genuinely do think I'm scum in about 5-6 hours.
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Haruhi
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Also Sultan putting Death and Crescent in his Town list was interesting. Can't believe I gave him an easy out for one by forgetting FD but to be fair aside from his one activity rant and his lynch overturn I can't remember much from him.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

tl;dr not enough yet let's wait until D3

so you'll claim today then

:D

...I forgot D2 existed for a bit. I meant D4.
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ColZach posted...

Also I want sheep to claim.

Sorry, not today. I just don't see the benefit of it. As I've said previously, I'll claim tomorrow, no sooner and no later.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Then, when 4 scum were down, with a bunch of unscanned vanilla claims left, town decided to chase the lying scanner claims (of which there were none) rather than start killing unscanned vanilla claims.

I do like this thinking, but our scanning roles (presumably Zach and Tony) have apparently got bugger all yet. For that reason, I don't want to claim yet. Scum could risk killing or blocking me, but then I could be Vanilla trying to draw exactly that. Or they could leave me alone completely, and leave me open to use whatever I have while still not being able to kill a minimum of one of Tony/Zach, leaving even more scanners alive.

tl;dr not enough yet let's wait until D3
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Can we get a show of hands from people who think Red and/or Tange are likely Scum? I have a feeling this is trending to be one of those "everyone has said it, so it's probably true situations"... at least concerning Red. And it would make Rik happy

I'd say Red's chances of being Scum are about 80%, he's probably the one I'm most sure of but I would rather get more out of Ben right now, and would be similarly happy to lynch him if anyone wants to join me there. I honestly don't have much to say about Tange right now, we definitely need more from him. I do like that he hasn't been afraid to throw a vote on, and while I wouldn't want to lynch him right now, I'd be happy to see a claim from him too.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Pj was more or less beacuse of him being inactive and when he came in he gave 0 content and then went on to making things up and swearing at people calling and such but sheep came in and helped that spots case a bit and now they are back in the not sure could be either camp.

And I'm not going to vote again yet gonna re read a little and make a better informed decision so I dont keep flip flopping or being "flighty"

I'm glad you're at least thinking the votes through. They have no weight if the case behind them is quite basic.

I'd like to ask you something which I'm not sure you've been asked much: who do you think is Town, and why? You can't say Tony, Eaed, Puns, or Scare, and I'd like at least three picks with some reasoning behind them, even if you're not certain on it.
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htaeD posted...

And did Panth ever say whether his blocked power was lost?
I feel like he's not around as much as he should be.

He said it wasn't, if I recall correctly.
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htaeD posted...

Also I am not the type to start crusades often, Sheep. (Which is probably a negative quality, but whatever)

I'm totally fine with that, everyone has different play styles than others, and a game full of Corriks would probably get unbearable, no matter how much I enjoy playing with one of him.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

He isnt near the top of my list anymore still leaning red

Then vote him.

Why was PJ at the top of your list anyway, and why did your mind change so quickly? I know you've been a bit flighty with votes, but I don't like how you're putting them on and then removing them, since it shows there's no weight or reason behind them.
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turbopuns2 posted...

I think this is more indicative of Town Han than Scum Han. Scum Han will find a place to stick his vote and harp on it as long as he can get away with it while keeping up a productive outer appearance. Scum Han is lazier and leans more on charisma than action

That's handy to know, I'll just have to trust you on his prior behaviour.
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Votals from D2 are really hard to find... They weren't even posted at the end of the day aside from Panth, as far as I can see (might have missed something). I want to take a gander at Ben's voting history... Be back in a bit
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Dumey: I agree with your thoughts on Han. He looks a little erratic at times, jumping from one lynch to another quite often. What's worse to me is who he's voted today. I know I'm Town, and I'm confident MZero is based partially on his reactions to Han, while I also lean slightly Town on God. It feels a little to me like Han keeps trying to kick-start a potential lynch on Town, since there's not really been one focused set of votes yet today (partially, in my opinion, because most Scum are shy about voting rights now), and then, as you said, leaps off it when it fails to gather steam. He's probably the one I feel worst about of those I would call stronger and active players based on this game so far.

Yeah, I specifically asked you for some if those who are generally seen as scummy by the game at large (potentially with the exception of Crescent) to see if you had any different opinions to the others I've seen so far. I'll definitely keep this post in mind should I still be alive once a few of these flip.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Also if I was scum I'd just claim vanilla...I think I have historically done that every single time.

Is that what you're planning on doing this time, then?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Ooh one of my top scumreads is here and voting the other. I'd like to see how this one goes.

Hey, man, claim please.

Woah man, wanna take me to a movie first?

For what reason do you want me to claim? You think I havent said enough for you to garner a read? Let's talk this out instead then.

Sure, watcha want to see, Ant-Man 2?

I'd like you to claim because you're one of my bigger scum reads, and honestly, I think if we can get a few more claims going today we'll clear up the game a lot more. There's so many power claims, probably too many, and I want to see if there's any more, so we can perhaps narrow down which of them is lying. Additionally, I do have a read, and my read is mostly of someone trying to fly under the radar and be mostly non-confrontational. Again, as with Death, I'm not sure if you're always like this, but unlike with Death I don't think I've ever been in a game with you so I don't have any past behaviour to judge you off (however hazy my memory may be).
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EDumey posted...

Available a little earlier than normal! I did a once over, but I'm going to read through a bit slower and see what sticks out to me. If anyone has specific questions for me, I should be pretty free to answer for the next few hours.

What're your thoughts on...

MZero and Han's interaction earlier in this day
Tange
Sultan
Crescent and Red

Doesn't need to be urgent but I'd like to hear it once you catch up
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