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Corrik posted...

Blade, possibility that Chris and red are on a scumteam together and we just watched some manufactured drama?

if chris and i were scumteam we dont have to go through this shit.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ow.Meow1000 posted...

Shorter version:

Red immediately suggested that he may have stopped a kill but did so ambiguously. After this he dodged the question all day. The last few hours all he's done is constantly say how bad his claiming would be for town. Obviously super hinting protection

Why would a BP that thinks he stopped a kill act this way?

because i -think- i stopped a kill. I don't know for sure. If I didn't, I can still draw stuff towards me. Your literally trying to argue BP was a lie but how many people were like "Red is claiming BP"? None.

I didn't want it known if i could avoid it.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

Also blade is going way way up the scum radar right now.

The other part to it. You guys know damn well I take the safe kills as scum. plum is 1000% a kill I'd veto.

Explain the veto?

? What? I'm not sure i have anything to explain.

I literally kill from the pool of chris/corrik/blade. whoever wouldnt get protection.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Also blade is going way way up the scum radar right now.

The other part to it. You guys know damn well I take the safe kills as scum. plum is 1000% a kill I'd veto.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

... Red said all day he didn't want to give scum information. But if scum targeted him...

##vote: Red

Okay not the reason I thought I was going to lynch him for but this makes no sense.

Chris, I just explained this. And you said it in your post. Its an IF. I think its a reasonable assumption, but not a guarantee.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

The other part to it, I was running on the assumption I blocked a shot.

Its still an assumption. Its definitely in the back of my mind I could be wrong.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Also if there is an SK, you can bet your ass right now scum is 100% paranoid that I'm it.

Just something to keep in mind.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

dowolf posted...

you thought he was gonna claim doctor as scum?

also, Red, you're *just* a bulletproof? Not a renamed?

correct.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Meow1000 posted...

In fact if Red is town and DID stop a kill and Chris is scum how would Red think Chris hasn't already figured out he's bulletproof?

Red seems basically convinced he already stopped a kill. I don't like the way he stalled that claim out

i honestly thought I was pretty ambiguous. Especially after corrik fed the fire a bit. I also wanted to see if i could get some odd reactions from people to see if scum did figure it out(Maybe I did and i missed them).
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Meow1000 posted...

My problem is I don't see what necessitates BP Red to stall this long. If he's town BP then scum already figured it out long ago.

i was actually checking some of my old posts to see if i could fake hider or something similar. I actually regret not hinting that day 1 but I actually stopped myself since i didnt want to draw an unblockable kill somehow.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Corrik posted...

Thought red was going to reveal he had a guilty scan on Chris. Disappointed.

no way I would just openly claim that after like 24 hours or something. Accept the potential roleblocks and move on. I'd rather have the doc protection than the scans tbh.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

dowolf posted...

who claimed random redirect?

the dead person was random redirect. Host explained the roles after corrik bitched.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ScareChan posted...

Ugh

##unvote
##vote: red

Scare no damn it. Seriously. Look at the damn logic. It should make a hell of a lot of sense.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

... That was not the claim I was expecting.

its definitely not the claim corrik was expecting. I also didn't want to claim it because Corrik set me up to draw roleblocks. I really wanted to fakeclaim something but I couldnt make it work.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

fuck it fine.

Arnold the Pit Bull. Town(Fuck off guys) Bulletproof.

You guys should put this together yourselves from that, but obviously I see just plum dead and my immediate reaction is fuck no that isnt scums only kill something happened.

Part B of that I don't believe we have a doctor with bulletproof.

And Part C is that we really shouldnt have a doctor with a bulletproof and a redirect(Even if its random)

At best, we have a bodyguard(That wouldnt stop a kill).

So my natural instinct is to assume someone tried to kill me.

Part of my hesitance to claim is that I absolutely fear someone is going to think I'm SK(I'm not SK). Other part was I thought of fakeclaiming bodyguard, but the logic I'd have to put in for justifications would be fake, I couldn't make it work.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Meow1000 posted...

red13n posted...

was mostly just idle talk while i contemplate.

Oddly specific idle talk

was just a thought circling my head honestly. Scare knows I've been greatly disappointed in him lately.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

I will make you a bargain. I will trade you a flavor claim which will leave my role ambiguous but have only a few potential options(Obviously, I am not vanilla).
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

was mostly just idle talk while i contemplate.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

Also Scare you are going back in the disappointment pile for this btw. You were working your way out of it.

Appeal to Emotion.

Yes. Also serious.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Also Scare you are going back in the disappointment pile for this btw. You were working your way out of it.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

Anyway, this is starting to be some real bullshit. I'm literally telling you people it is in towns best interest for me to not claim. You have 2(3?) people that don't even think I'm scum trying to vote me and that honestly is just bad play.

Stall.

Thats not a stall. I am trying to avoid having to claim.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Anyway, this is starting to be some real bullshit. I'm literally telling you people it is in towns best interest for me to not claim. You have 2(3?) people that don't even think I'm scum trying to vote me and that honestly is just bad play.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

dowolf posted...

red13n posted...

damn it scare. I'm going to remind you that you are following the person that quite literally killed your slot on the first day. And that this is a bad play.

what

explain.

end of the day had most of us running on an assumption that votes made within a short while of the topic move counted when in reality they didnt(I could be crazy and it could be the other way around, but i think i got it right). So we had ambiguous vote totals to conclude the day. one in which nana died, one in which starscream died. Thats why i posted you two sets earlier.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ScareChan posted...

##unvote
##vote: red

Make use of it now and figure out what you need and then can we get a real lunch

damn it scare. I'm going to remind you that you are following the person that quite literally killed your slot on the first day. And that this is a bad play.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Part of me was really hoping FD would keep checking his phone. I assume he will soon.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

1. Won't answer questions

questions? Its one question I wont answer.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

My PoE process has won me a lot of games and I am not going to abandon it over one failure. I even realize the key logical error I made and when I made it, which I'll avoid in the future.

Which is still besides the point. This is all deflection.

The process was fine the execution last game was just bad.

Corrik actually sort of slipped a few times when you were recovering from your bad fakeclaims but he was basically buttering you up so hard it evaded your detection.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Anyway Chris, your whole idea that I'm lying here is going to end up entirely subjective, its pointless.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

That's not a brag. That is what my PoE was. Did you pay any attention to that game or did you jerk off with blade in PMs? Like, every single day I was alive I asked people for opinions. I wanted discussion every single day. I wanted angles I hadn't considered every single day. I poured over the topics and my statement that only Corrik eluded my PoE is just... accurate. There is no brag there. It's explaining why I like information so I can make informed decisions WITH the rest of town. You taking it as bragging when I am trying to get you to see reason and totally insult me is deflection. It IS deflection.

I think the statement, or rather the positive in it, is still a good bit inaccurate. You had Corrik in the town pile for some of the dumbest reasons(He suckered you into it pretty good) before making the thing. He even helped create some of those reads for you. The whole thing ended up pointless because it just set Corrik up to win the game. Thats why I never saw it as much of a positive.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

dowolf posted...

Red! You're here, you voted Ashe yesterday. Why'd he fall off your radar today?

he hasnt. I havent been able to get other people on board with this one.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Like I had very little to work with last game and my PoE was only one off from being 100% accurate.

you are pretty much atempting to brag there dude. Either way, saying i'm lying about that would be incredibly subjective.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Red, at what point does scum having information get outweighed by the ruckus you create in topic? Like I had very little to work with last game and my PoE was only one off from being 100% accurate.

If you're town you really, really should know how I feel about loose ends.

you literally lost last game because of not being willing to lynch corrik at his most obvious. Don't you even start about last game. hell, you made it hard on town by flat out deciding not to play. So get off your damn high horse.

No, that's okay red. I will take the effort to point out your lying.

you literally mention the last game first in that quote...
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I keep coming back to red. Blade sees it too but no one is willing to like force the issue. Dude is wishy washy, and just is accepting things way too easily. We all keep pointing out "Hm that's a bit strange" but don't really make him do anything. Like last night when I was trying to get him to give content he attacked me over previous games. Like, that's scum deflection 201.

You keep saying different, the only thing was I was super relaxed day 1 and absolutely not busy(Its literally the days of the year with no sports). The other is a comment that I have my own reasons for being unable to elaborate on.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I keep coming back to red. Blade sees it too but no one is willing to like force the issue. Dude is wishy washy, and just is accepting things way too easily. We all keep pointing out "Hm that's a bit strange" but don't really make him do anything. Like last night when I was trying to get him to give content he attacked me over previous games. Like, that's scum deflection 201.

I'm not about to go check but I'm pretty sure you were the one bragging about other games first.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

dowolf posted...

real talk, does anyone have d1 votals handy?

Final Votals
[4] 5tar - pjbasis, (Chris), Blade, (Plum), Nana, ColZach
[3] Nana - FA3000, (Chris), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, Chris
[3] Ashethan - Tony, (Sultan), Sultan, red
[1] Forceful - Zam, Corrik
[1] Zam - (FA3000), Forceful, (ColZach)
[1] Tony - ("MZero"), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, (pjbasis), (Sultan)
[0] FA3000 - (Nana), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Zam), (pjbasis), (red)
[0] ColZach - (Chris)
[0] Chris - (ColZach)
[0] pjbasis - (Sultan), (ColZach)
[0] plum - (Corrik), (Corrik)
[0] IGCD - (Tony)
[0] red - ("MZero")

fake votals
[5] Nana - FA3000, (Chris), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, Chris, Zam, 5tar
[4] 5tar - pjbasis, (Chris), Blade, (Plum), Nana, ColZach
[3] Ashethan - Tony, (Sultan), Sultan, red
[1] Zam - (FA3000), Forceful, (ColZach)
[1] Forceful - (Zam), Corrik
[1] Tony - ("MZero"), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, (pjbasis), (Sultan)
[0] FA3000 - (Nana), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Zam), (pjbasis), (red)
[0] ColZach - (Chris)
[0] Chris - (ColZach)
[0] pjbasis - (Sultan), (ColZach)
[0] plum - (Corrik), (Corrik)
[0] IGCD - (Tony)
[0] red - ("MZero")
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

ScareChan posted...

also Red jumped pretty easy when I went to FD after saying PJ gave us more

Yes. He did.

I'd have gone to either, tbh. Clock is just ticking down on the day so we have to move somewhere.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Rocket Raccoon
Bolt
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Alolan Vulpix
Eevee
Fennekin
Vulpix
Zorua
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

This is an impressively poorly reasoned train and if it succeeds in mislynchinh me then i hope everyone involved gets the appropriate amount of scrutiny.

oh god this feels like scum FD complaining about getting lynched for things he'd do as town as well.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ScareChan posted...

Ashethan posted...

Also, it's now been over 24 hours since pj's last post in a mafia topic.

This phrasing sounds weird to anyone else? Like extra careful for no one to say otherwise

I mean, hes trying to imply PJ had many posts in other topics and was ignoring this one for some reason.

Why he didnt explicitly call him out on this idk.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ColZach posted...

8. Forceful_Dragon

Im getting a town FD read this game, for reasons similar to Ashe.

FD loves those big long analysis posts in general. I would be very wary of townreading him for them. I havent gotten much of a chance at all to interact with him. But putting him in a town pile for him when he has a chance to basically be alone and make lengthy posts is definitely a mistake. They are his comfort zone.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ColZach posted...

I think actively and brazenly ignoring even one thing is not a good town mindset

you said I ignored things.

plural.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Ashethan posted...

I mean Chris asked you for a case, and best you could come up with was "He was different than last game" which Chris shot down, and then you said "Well he only changed after he got pressured" or something like that.

you were different, got called out on it multiple times. Making similar posts after being called out on it doesn't suddenly mean you weren't different prior. It really is that simple.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

ColZach posted...

As a lot of people have pointed out, red has been exhibiting some odd conversation habits and ignoring certain things while emphasizing others. Its rubbing me the wrong way.

ignoring certain things?

I've ignored 1 thing(The same thing, multiple times). If you can come up with things, I'd be interested in clearing the rest of it up.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Ashethan posted...

I mean your argument is essentially "You didn't die, so you're scum" which is the same argument you used on Chris, except Scum has no reason to want me dead as town other than needing town players dead. For which Nana/Scare (if they're town) and 5tarscream would work. That's not to mention that town has some say in lynches, being the majority and all.

Your logic simply doesn't follow.

not you didnt die. No one was actively trying to push your lynch at the end of the day. Of the 3 leading lynch leaders, two of them actually got lynched(This should sound crazy, in this game, it doesnt). There was no pressure towards you.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Ashethan posted...

Where'd I make that assumption at?

you were the one that said it was scum letting town cannibalize itself.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Ashethan posted...

Sure, but that's pretty meaningless as far as my alignment goes. If all three of us are town, scum doesn't care which of us gets lynched. They're quite happy town is fighting amongst themselves. They can rest easy knowing there's three town lynches being fought over.

this is making the assumption everyone active at the end is town.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Ashethan posted...

I wasn't in that much danger, but if all three of us are town... scum really have no reason to put me in that much danger. Come in and voting last minute without any reasoning tends to draw suspicion your way. I had three votes on me for a while. Sure, they could've voted me earlier. They could've done the same with Nana too.

This is where you hit the difference though. In some alternate universe, Nana actually did die.

(the end of the day was...quite strange)
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

Hi FD you missed a lot.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.

they are all so cute. I don't know which Vulpix to choose can I have both.
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"First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed.