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marauder, not sure what your argument here actually is, your posts seem a bit lacking in thesis statements

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https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8165/jewish/Chapter-1.htm

26And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth."
27And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

arguments that the new testament answers this with the trinity concept seem to make sense. the only other explanation would be that of some sort of 'majestic we' that much later kings adopted (perhaps in a sort of heretical way--they did claim divine right to rule after all), but jewish kings specifically did not.

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mainly technological advancement, it mirrors japanese regional dominance in the meiji-WWII era, but also their attack was enhanced by the power of a comet that passed over the world and gave them a huge short-term advantage.

but also the water tribes are smaller than the fire nation, and isolated at the poles--the fire nation attack on the north pole was defeated, after all, and the fire nation attack on the earth kingdom bogged down. so they weren't totally successful in their war even with the advantage they held.

it was only their genocidal attack against the air nomads that was truly successful, and that was planned to coincide directly with the comet.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

You cannot call yourself a proud American while flying the flag of traitors.

hear, hear!

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SkyShow posted...

Unrelated.... but damn do I wish they would make a LBP 4.

i can dream

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trapping republican leadership between trump cultists and moderates who can see the situation is obviously abuse of power is a good strategy. to keep one they must forfeit the other.

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dark lancer posted...

I guarantee you that never in American history has a president been the target of such unbridled rage and hatred and the focus of so much obstruction to his governance as Trump.

found donald trump's gamefaqs account

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Purely posted...

Trump was elected with record amounts of black and latino votes for a Republican.

why would you make this obviously false, easily fact-checked claim

do you think the users here are stupid

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2000
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2004
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2008
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016

the high point of black voter support for a republican in the last 20 years was bush's second term at 11%
the high point of latino voter support for a republican in the last 20 years was bush's first term at 44%

trump's support from black voters was 8%, above the low point (mccain) at 4%, although voter excitement for barack obama is a probable factor
trump's support from hispanic voters was 28%, on par with the low point (romney) at 27%

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whatever tesla i could find

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Balrog0 posted...

Probably women are just going to need to suck it up and start taking initiative in the dating game, though this would also necessitate men changing their attitudes. about gender relations as well and I don't see either happening

neither of these is going to happen. i think people will mostly just adjust expectations.

despite their complaints, most of my single friends are pretty ok with being single

i married young and am not sorry i did so

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


you are, and i think you would find success using dating apps

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

handout to them

wait, why is student loan forgiveness a handout

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/recurringdata/51310-2016-03-studentloan.pdf

CBO data says that the cost of administering the student loan program exceeds the income gained from payments made on it when assessed at fair-value

even when not, it's only making about 1.5b per year (this does not account for default risks or inflation reductions in the value of the repaid sums) as it originates ~100b/year of new loans. the student debt is basically a worthless asset even by the most forgiving measure.

dumping it isn't really very expensive at all. this does become a good argument for killing it as a program entirely, though, which would certainly save money.

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Squall28 posted...

It's allowing people to payoff debt with a tax sheltered account that includes company contributions. It most definitely helps.

most companies have a vesting period where the matched funds aren't "yours" right away, and many others put matched funds into separate accounts with separate rules (example, roth 401k only takes your withholding; company match goes into traditional 401k)

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HellRatUFO posted...

ultimately be coming at the expense of the tax paying full time working black and Hispanic man

Sackgurl posted...

you've repeated this line several times now

where did this idea come from exactly?

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Instead of paying your loan directly from your checking account, increase your 401k deferrals and pay from your 401k.

while this is a good point, seems like it'd be simpler to just make any student loan repayment be tax deductible (the loans themselves already are when you take them--generally taken by the head of household, and the interest already is too).

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HellRatUFO posted...

at the expense of blue collar full-time working black and Hispanic people lol.

you've repeated this line several times now

where did this idea come from exactly?

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Less and less employers are even offering them.

uh, is that actually true? i'd be interested in the data on that.

i know most young people don't have 401ks and they have virtually nothing in them, so i understand why this plan is shit--you can see my take on the numbers-over-time; it clearly makes more sense to NOT pay off loans at all than to pay them off using 401k assets

but...they should have 401ks regardless, if their employer offers them

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Unknown5uspect posted...

People with student loan debt aren't paying into 401k plans. Most probably don't even have 401k plans.

i mean...they should be

at least for the employer match which is a 100% return on investment

Unknown5uspect posted...

And your parents can help, but if they had robust 401k plans, then you're probably not taking out student loans.

it is possible for a parent to have a robust 401k but no 529

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Squall28 posted...

Lol at people getting mad at the idea of having to payoff your own debt.

Bail out or bust right?

would you pay for 3-6% interest debt using assets you invested that should be yielding 6-9% on average, possibly pulling it out of those assets at the wrong times and locking in losses?

the criticism seems to be "this is not an effective solution"

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karlpilkington4 posted...

It didnt lack any context, you simply dont like the content. And me making a simple mistake doesnt suddenly make my entire post incorrect. The ambassador stated in his conversation with Trump, that Trump didnt want a quid pro quo, he didnt want anything in exchange.

Again, whats so hard to understand?

the context, which your post lacked, which I have posted elsewhere and am again posting here. saying you want nothing in exchange to a potential witness when you have already demanded from your victim does not exonerate you from having committed a crime.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-sondland-denial-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-915283/

Sondland said he knew by then the administration had frozen nearly $400 million in security aid to Ukraine to help in an ongoing regional conflict with Russia. According to Sondland, Trump repeatedly told him on the call I want nothing and there was no quid pro quo. Sondland then relayed the presidents words to the new Ukrainian ambassador, William Taylor, who had become concerned about the administrations pressure campaign on Ukraine. My reason for telling (Taylor) this was not to defend what the president was saying, Sondland testified, not to opine whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay Ive gone as far as I can go in trying to understand what Trump wanted from the Ukrainians.

The timing of Sondlands call matters: That same day, the inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified the House and Senate that an anonymous whistleblower had filed a complaint, which the public would soon learn describing the broad contours of Trumps campaign to force Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election. Its likely Trump knew the committee had received the complaint, and that that knowledge informed his call with Sondland.

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These are the comments from Zelensky on the blocked military aid:

https://time.com/5742108/ukraine-zelensky-interview-trump-putin-europe/

When did you first sense that there was a connection between Trumps decision to block military aid to Ukraine this summer and the two investigations that Trump and his allies were asking for? Can you clarify this issue of the quid pro quo?
Look, I never talked to the President from the position of a quid pro quo. Thats not my thing. I dont want us to look like beggars. But you have to understand. Were at war. If youre our strategic partner, then you cant go blocking anything for us. I think thats just about fairness. Its not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying.

karlpilkington4 posted...

No. The president said to Sondland specifically I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.

This is what Sondland told Congress. So is Sondland lying about his own conversations?

No, you are lying, because Sondland provided congress with the context of those conversations and you are going out of your way to avoid the context of those conversations:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-sondland-denial-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-915283/

Sondland said he knew by then the administration had frozen nearly $400 million in security aid to Ukraine to help in an ongoing regional conflict with Russia. According to Sondland, Trump repeatedly told him on the call I want nothing and there was no quid pro quo. Sondland then relayed the presidents words to the new Ukrainian ambassador, William Taylor, who had become concerned about the administrations pressure campaign on Ukraine. My reason for telling (Taylor) this was not to defend what the president was saying, Sondland testified, not to opine whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay Ive gone as far as I can go in trying to understand what Trump wanted from the Ukrainians.
The timing of Sondlands call matters: That same day, the inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified the House and Senate that an anonymous whistleblower had filed a complaint, which the public would soon learn describing the broad contours of Trumps campaign to force Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election. Its likely Trump knew the committee had received the complaint, and that that knowledge informed his call with Sondland.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

Yeah, what's your point? That's all Trumpers have.

it's important to call lies what they are

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karlpilkington4 posted...

Star witnesses deny it.

the star witness you're referring to, sondland, does not deny that trump was lying

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The23rdMagus posted...

What if - and this is a stretch - Trump lied?

seeing as sondland did not ask him before interacting with the president of ukraine, but rather to answer questions posed to him by the incoming ambassador to ukraine, the accuracy of trump's statements in that exchange are irrelevant in relation to the events that preceded and followed

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karlpilkington4 posted...

We have witness testimony which admits nothing was done wrong.

no, we have witness testimony that trump said he did nothing wrong. which, since he is a known liar and rapist, is meaningless.

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Caution998 posted...

There's a video of Biden gloating about how he used his authority as Vice President (potentially) to keep his son on the board.

this is a lie

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karlpilkington4 posted...

My initial post was that the ambassador did say those things. That is still my stance, because he literally said so.

Idk whats so hard to understand. I didnt admit to anything else.

your initial post was lacking in the critical context of why he said those things to the investigation, and it was quite deliberately misleading. which is why i piped up to share the needed context.

also your post was outright wrong, since you called him the ukraine ambassador.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

I have not shifted anything. The ambassador claimed there was a quid pro quo. Then said the president never asked for a quid pro quo, and stated his only evidence for his claim was his own presumption. I can play the video for you, if you dont want to read it.

you have shifted: your initial post was 'the ambassador said the president never asked for a quid pro quo'

you're only admitting that he said there was because i forced you to


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it is good that karl has shifted from trying to argue that sondland claimed trump didn't ask for a quid pro quo to attacking him, because attempting to argue the former would be a blatant lie dependent on nobody having actually seen or read his testimony

which is more or less what i'd expect from someone who can't differentiate two ambassadors since he's just copypasting astroturf emails but it at least is using today's astroturf emails and not last week's

karlpilkington4 posted...

Why did you leave this part out?

same reason i left out the fact that the initial call to 'clarify' on ukraine was only made by sondland after he learned the aid was withheld: because it's not relevant to the question of 'did sondland say trump committed a quid pro quo?'

you've moved the goalposts since you checked your email and discovered that was already a losing argument

sondland's testimony may be questionable and based on his interpretation of circumstance, but it is absolutely not exonerating and should not be viewed as such

also because it wasn't in the two articles i posted and i am quoting from them and not YOUR links.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

No, this came straight from the Ukraine Ambassadors mouth in the impeachment inquiries. He was suppose to be democrats star witness.

1) you are mixing sondland, the EU ambassador, up with yovanovich, the ukraine ambassador

2) sondland's testimony on the subject of these denials from trump was the following:

I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a quid pro quo? Sondland said. . . . With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes.

My reason for telling (Taylor) this was not to defend what the president was saying, Sondland testified, not to opine whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay Ive gone as far as I can go in trying to understand what Trump wanted from the Ukrainians.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-sondland-denial-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-915283/

https://tinyurl.com/vv83jfb
(wapo)

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GoodOlJr posted...

Oh no he doesnt follow protocol

Surely biden is the answer

someone thinks they know better than the founding fathers (god bless them every one)

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emblem boy posted...

But ya, the question of what about those who can't pay, did come up. The answer given, similar to what it seems most libertarians say, is that it'd be up to charitable or pro bono work.

which really circles back to the fact that this might work for this one provider individually, in a system where they can turn people away since they'll go somewhere else, but it can't work on the broad system since we aren't okay with people being told to go home and die.

Pick 2:

1) Inexpensive
2) Everyone gets treated
3) Individual agency over payments into the system

Most countries have decided to give up on 3). Americans stubbornly refuse to give up 3), while complaining about how they want 1) but being horrified at the idea of 2).

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i have not, but i would guess that the center described therein also requires patients pay since it doesn't take insurance either

which is the one other way you can bring down costs: allow providers to refuse to treat those who cannot pay

it's a sort of alternate way to reduce the demand: let it die

"it" being "people"

most americans do not like that solution

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emblem boy posted...

Surely there has to be a way right?

in theory the total cost of care probably can't be changed

rather, the distribution of who's paying, and how that payment is provided, is what has to change. there's a lot of money lost in that section of it, and in particular the way our current system works basically subsidizes those who least need assistance by making employer contributions for employee insurance tax deductible (this pays for something like a third of all private insurance on its own, and leads to situations where young healthy people have ultra-high quality coverage that they don't need but have no reason not to take since it's free/nearly free for them, but costs the employer+government a ton).

providers lose money on anyone who defaults, which is a lot of people, so they have to charge as much as possible for their services to make up that loss, and they do it to the insurers that are least able to negotiate with them

private insurers have to make a profit, first and foremost, but since they can't negotiate to pay the exact cost of care, the ones that cover fewer people will inherently have to pay more for the same services as the ones that cover more people. because patient defaults produce operational shocks that can break a business entirely, the net cost of services passed to payers winds up being quite a lot more than it would be if there were zero risk of nonpayment--operating with short term debts costs quite a bit more than operating in the black all the time would. paying that plus overhead sets the cost for an insurer to even operate, then they have to make a profit.

even public insurers like medicaid or the state exchanges have this problem with negotiating power and price increases to cover defaulter costs. and since they're opt-in or income restricted, the defaults continue.

single payer nonprofit would remove the defaulter issue entirely and also be able to negotiate down to the lowest price per service that the provider could accept. and by operating through a tax, the cost would be shifted to sections of the population more able to pay (realistically, it'd probably be a cost increase to the upper middle class but a cost decrease to most others)

konokonohamaru posted...

their profit margins are small because of how expensive the doctors, the equipment, and the drugs all are.

the doctors and equipment are expensive for basic market reasons and it's pretty hard to get around this.

the drugs are another story but they're not really the main cost driver for providers.

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konokonohamaru posted...

bring the cost down

given that providers operate with pretty small profit margins i don't think that is possible

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DoubleDare posted...

Sackgurl posted...

can it though? the reaction to him was from the presented narrative that he was involved in the bullying of an old, native american man

this is quite different from a young girl publicly voicing an opinion on a political issue that you disagree with

How was he bullying him? The native American was the bully, standing in his way and drumming in the kids face.
So the kid just stood there with a shit eating grin to show it didn't bother him.

re-read my post: I did not say he was bullying the native american.

although the idea that the native american elder who walked into the middle of an altercation between the students and the black nationalist group they were arguing with was the 'real bully' is a hilarious lie

that situation was not one with a bully, except perhaps the media execs who decided to make it a national story (about bullying)
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Caution998 posted...

America should pay for everything

america only pays for 22% of direct funding to NATO and its indirect military spending of 3.1% definitely does not direct two thirds (ie 2% of its GDP) into european operations

perhaps the 2% of GDP requirement should be reconsidered as a nonsensical benchmark
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DoubleDare posted...

"Still can't believe that a 16-year-old boy bothered liberals so much."
Can be said too about the boy in Washington dc just smirking.

can it though? the reaction to him was from the presented narrative that he was involved in the bullying of an old, native american man

this is quite different from a young girl publicly voicing an opinion on a political issue that you disagree with
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worth noting that native americans didn't just respect their elders because they were old

they respected them because their social role was teaching others, and the respect was granted by the community unto those that had earned it, not claimed by the elder himself
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buddhamonster posted...

Weird how none of these people have anything to say about all the hottest months on record being almost entirely in the last few years.

But the second a snow flake hits the ground, it's endless shrieking of, "WHERE'S YOUR GLOBAL WARMING NOW!!!!!!".

they're not interested in an honest conversation about facts

they're interested in fooling morons for long enough that they can cash out their investments and set up estates in protected communities
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Garioshi posted...

or we implement an MMP system.

this can be done on the state level, as it was in maine (despite much nazi gnashing of teeth)

the nazis lost big after the change was implemented
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NeoShadowhen posted...

Thats why Biden needs to lose to another candidate. For f***s sake how is he still hanging on? I swear the percentage he holds must simply be the percentage of people who arent paying attention at all. Be sure to vote when the race comes to your state.

combination of:

not paying attention + not liberal on most subjects + "we just want the candidate with the best chance to win the general"

also sanders/warren splitting the left wing of the party
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Esrac posted...

I suspect the actual reason women feel less safe than men is because women are also more likely to experience feelings of anxiety and neuroticism in general.

The actual reason is strangers shout vaguely threatening things at us

And we can't tell which are idiots that wouldn't know what to do if we approached them and which are going to try something
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deupd_u posted...

I tried glossing through this, and I have absolutely know idea what its even trying to say.

pete made a dumb, wrong statement about black kids' lack of role models in 2011

i think it'd be worthwhile to ask him if his view on this subject has changed since he turned 35
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why do we feel this merits a good job to trump? he wasn't involved in the bill's production or any of the groundwork for it

it passed the senate and house unanimously by voice vote

if he vetoed it they could override his veto
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Gladius_ posted...

I am just hesitant to give those groups more power.

you're always giving someone more power

and it's not yourself
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I can't imagine how anyone taking home 11,000 per month feels like they're being "killed inside"

Balrog0 posted...

Everyone gets a good value out of their tax dollars, and everyone thinks they don't, rich or poor

This is a really wise perspective.
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CyricZ posted...

It is if it's an act of aggression. Moving to kill someone is pretty much the base example of aggression.

what if that someone is in control of a super weapon that's actively murdering your friends

defense of others is not as simple as parrying a sword stroke
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CyricZ posted...

I always assumed it was him coming back to realizing that he's not supposed to use his training to attack others. His attack on the Emperor in the first place was out of anger.

idk, it seemed like it was the old jedi order that had no concept of "nuance"

being proactive isn't being aggressive. but if that was the lesson, the emperor slapped it down super hard.
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the reasoning for that, though, is left as an exercise for the viewer

what i always wondered about in 6, was why did luke throw down his lightsaber in front of the emperor? 5 minutes before he tried to attack the emperor with that lightsaber and vader intervened, but couldn't a second time.

it was a weird, nonsensical sort of defiance. luke turning to attack the emperor instead and discovering, "surprise! i'm more powerful than my apprentice!" would have been enough
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CyricZ posted...

You are correct in this, and it was clearly trying to poke fun at that fear. I still think transgender people were the butt of that joke, though.

wouldn't a joke on someone's insane, nonsensical fear have the frightened person--ie the transphobe--as the butt of the joke?
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i thought the episode had more nuance than we are giving it credit for

using hyperbole doesn't mean 'we think all people who do this are like this' so much as 'this is what it would take for this conservative rage fantasy to be realistic'
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