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| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 6:46:30 PM #289 | berlyman101 posted... literally done in by a minions post lmao Its all fun and games until its used against you in your murder trial. --- |
| Topic | LOL wtf at this woman on the steve harvey show last year |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 6:05:08 PM #5 | |
| Topic | What kind of a sentence do you think amber guyger will receive? |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 4:06:36 PM #11 | |
| Topic | What kind of a sentence do you think amber guyger will receive? |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 4:03:20 PM #7 | DDirtyDastard posted... She SHOULD get first degree manslaughter. She'll probably walk. She was already convicted of murder like 5 hours ago. Were awaiting sentencing. --- |
| Topic | The Dallas cop who shot their neighbor is found guilty |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 2:52:23 PM #17 | TheVipaGTS posted... I mean yea I've also lived in apartments where every floor looks identical, but did she not notice that her key doesn't work? does she generally leave her door unlocked....if not, when the key didn't work why did she attempt to go in anyway? there are so many holes in her story. Bothams door lock had a defect which was noted multiple times during the trial. When she put her key in, the door moved forward slightly which is what alerted her that the door was already open. She then heard movement inside. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 2:10:30 PM #274 | I want to bring up an important point that the familys lawyer Lee Merritt brought up. The Defense asked for the jury to be able to vote on a number of issues including whether castle doctrine (amongst other things) applied. The judge actually allowed nearly everything they asked and we all rightfully thought it was absurd. Thankfully the jury struck it down, and now because it was allowed, the defense cant make appeals based on it. Basically, theres nothing to appeal because the defense got everything they wanted (minus the verdict). I think this was the judges play from the beginning. --- |
| Topic | What kind of a sentence do you think amber guyger will receive? |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 1:40:40 PM #4 | DeadBankerDream posted... First degree or second degree? What are the sentencing guidelines in Texas? This is 2nd degree and she faces a minimum of 5 and maximum of 99 years. --- |
| Topic | Dallas Police Officer GUILTY of MURDER of unarmed civilian IN HIS OWN HOME! |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 12:53:46 PM #37 | DeadBankerDream posted... I read the article linked. It didn't provide anything. Theres no evidence that it was racially motivated. She did not know the victim. The entire incident happened in seconds. --- |
| Topic | Dallas Police Officer GUILTY of MURDER of unarmed civilian IN HIS OWN HOME! |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 12:50:36 PM #34 | OctilIery posted... Weren't there a ton of clues suggesting this was an intentional home invasion and shooting? Those were all bogus theories with absolutely zero merit. She did not know the victim at all. --- |
| Topic | Dallas Police Officer GUILTY of MURDER of unarmed civilian IN HIS OWN HOME! |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 12:45:51 PM #26 | Lyrica posted... She's definitely an incompetent police officer unfit for duty but not because she was sharing sexually explicit text messages to her work partner. That serves no purpose other than to trash her character (unless that's what they were going for). The fact that she entered someone's home and claimed she thought it was hers despite several signs that it wasn't clearly demonstrates her incompetence. Its relevant because it was what she was doing immediately prior to the shooting and helps explain her state of mind. Them, she claimed to be so tired after working a 13 hour shift that day. Yet not long before the shooting, she and her partner exchanged messages in which she told him he could come over. The prosecutors argued that she couldnt have been too tired if they had plans of meeting up. It also helps explain why she was texting him of all people instead of performing CPR on a dying man. Also, she lied on the stand when she said her partner didnt know where she lived even though the texts suggest otherwise. Also, the fact that both of them deleted the texts is potentially tampering with evidence. --- |
| Topic | GUILTY! Dallas Cop found guilty of murder of innocent black man |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 12:11:12 PM #24 | Letron_James posted... Because they didn't adminser any tests till like 3 days after. Again untrue. Samples were taken the same night of the shooting. Stick to the facts --- |
| Topic | GUILTY! Dallas Cop found guilty of murder of innocent black man |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 12:03:50 PM #15 | CruelBuffalo posted... She was drunk, also seems to be more concerned with getting in trouble IIRC didnt call paramedics right away Read the 250+ topic. It answers all these questions. She was NOT drunk or under the influence in any way. She called paramedics immediately. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 10/01/19 11:57:51 AM #253 | |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 9:06:59 PM #245 | metallica846 posted... Fuck this. I'm starting to hope she doesn't go to jail now. This is certainly a dumb take but it's a free country I guess. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 8:59:48 PM #242 | metallica846 posted... Considering the east sides of Plano, Allen and McKinney are considerably poorer than the west sides, I think they could find any demographic they want in Collin County. Do you know how probability works? --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 8:58:07 PM #240 | metallica846 posted... Uhhhhhh well I went to school and lived in CC for 20 years so I MIGHT know what I'm talking about. Actually I definitely do. Interesting, because so far all you've done is show your naivete regarding how the court system works and the common tactics employed by defense attorneys. I mean, weren't you the same guy like 100 posts ago who didn't even know that they would read the text messages out in court? You're naive, and that's not inherently a bad thing but you're making yourself look bad by playing this plausible deniability game when other defense attorneys in the past have already told us why they do these things. Literally nothing they do is on accident. Every detail from her hair color to the clothes she wears is done with a purpose in these types of trials. Like I said, studies have been conducted on this. Oh and your 20 years in Collin County means nothing to my 21 years in Collin County plus 10 in Dallas County. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 8:47:48 PM #237 | metallica846 posted... I mean...you would move it because this is an extremely volatile case and Dallas jurors might be swayed by media attention? What evidence or reasoning is there to believe that Dallas jurors would be more or less swayed by media attention? The DFW area pretty much gets all the same media coverage dude so the chances of someone from Collin County hearing about it the trial through media is virtually the same. metallica846 posted... No, it had to be moved to the white haven to save her... Again, is this your first trial? This is a common tactic used by defense attorneys. I mean, you can play dumb if you want to and that's exactly what the defense attorneys want. But the rest of us don't have to. metallica846 posted... ..oh and you know that they have poor minorities in Collin County right? No you probably didn't. I've literally lived in Collin County since 1998 and I'm well aware of what the demographics are here. You have no idea what you're talking about. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 8:30:08 PM #234 | metallica846 posted... And how the hell would you know that? This your first trial or something? This is a common occurrence. There have literally been studies conducted that attempt to measure the effect of this very thing. Just last month, the defense tried have the trial moved to Collin County instead of Dallas County. Collin County is notably "whiter" than Dallas county and the defense knew exactly what they were doing when they requested it. metallica846 posted... But all this future tripping and projection is really sad to see and it's seemingly everywhere. Cops have killed in the past so string her up for the sins of the others bullshit is not how justice should work. I'm not projecting anything and my reasoning for wanting her in jail has nothing to do with what other cops have done. It has everything to do with the string of unreasonable actions she took that resulted in an innocent man being dead. You don't get to be wrong about literally everything, kill someone, and then say "Whoops my bad" like nothing happened. That would be a terrible precedent. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 8:14:58 PM #231 | metallica846 posted... This woman did not murder that man, she killed him with no pre-meditation. Murder does NOT have to be premeditated. metallica846 posted... Oh and they played up her "whiteness" haha wtf? I've been watching the trial and the lawyers did not say "hey ya'll look she's white ok? Do I need to say anything else? Just so white and innocent! Of course not. That would be absurd. What they did instead was dye her hair blonde, have her cry on the stand, have her speak softly, portray her as meek and harmless. All these things are subtle subconscious cues to play up her "whiteness" and none of it was on accident. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 4:36:24 PM #200 | Alexanaxela posted... That would be texas ranger david armstrong, and probably every other cop in america, cause i sure haven't heard a single fucking cop condemn her for what she did and claim she needs to be in jail There needs to be an investigation into whether Sgt Armstrong is fit to do his job because there seems to be a massive disconnect between facts and conclusions where hes concerned, --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/30/19 10:50:40 AM #189 | CableZL posted... They're really trying to use castle doctrine when she entered someone else's apartment and initiated the confrontation? Im stunned. The defense is actually invoking castle doctrine in a case where the defendant walked into someone elses home. Holy shit. How is this real life? --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/28/19 7:27:51 PM #186 | ScazarMeltex posted... Yeah she basically gave them what they needed to get a 2nd degree conviction when she said that. In theory yeah. Nobody, including the defense, disputes that she intended to kill him. The conviction really relies on whether her mistake of fact makes the intention reasonable and therefore the killing justified. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/28/19 6:02:39 PM #183 | DarkRoast posted... Needs to be at least manslaughter. Gotta prove intent for murder, which would be kinda hard to do in this case. The prosecution already got her to admit that she intended to kill him when she fired the bullets. They made sure to point that out when she said it. It doesnt need to be premeditated. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/28/19 5:35:29 PM #180 | Twin3Turbo posted... Im legit wondering if they colored her hair blonde for the dont lock me up! Im a cute blonde ditzy white girl effect. Her hair was brown Im her mugshot. Yeah. They tried to make her as white and blonde as possible. On the stand she came across as meek, harmless, and confused. The cherry on top was the crying. None of that was an accident. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/28/19 11:19:57 AM #161 | |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/28/19 8:30:16 AM #160 | One detail I forgot to mention regarding her relationship with Martin Rivera (her partner). So, during the defense's interview with her, it came out that he was actually married. Amber claims that she stopped their sexual relationship in December 2017, nine months before the shooting incident. When asked why she ended the sexual part of their relationship, her response was because he was married and she knew it was morally wrong, it made her feel bad, and the relationship wasn't going anywhere. It's hard to believe that they actually stopped having sex though because there are tons of sexually explicit texts and snap chats between the two of them during the "off" period. This includes tons of messages sent and received on the day of the incident, many were within minutes of her shooting Botham. The prosecution said something to the effect of "So your moral code is perfectly fine with sexual banter with a married man and sending nude photographs, but stops just short of sex?" To which she replied "yes". He then went on to note that she went right back to sexting with Martin Rivera just two days after the shooting. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/28/19 7:46:25 AM #156 | St0rmFury posted... Thanks for the updates TC. No problem. And no, I dont work in law at all. Im just really interested in this case because it happened in Dallas where Ive lived my whole life. Also I believe the jurys decision will set an extremely important precedent. Theyre essentially voting on whether its ok for a cop to be 100% wrong about everything, shoot you, and still get off without consequences. The defense is really testing the limits of the police officer feared for their life argument. I have some hope because there was a recent case in Dallas county in which a police officer killed a teenager riding in the passenger side of a car. The officer literally lied about everything (details in court opposed his initial documentation of the incident) and his own partner had to testify against him in order to get that conviction. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 11:27:19 PM #149 | -Based on her testimony (and that of neighbors) the yelling and shots all happened within seconds. She never took into account that maybe he couldn't hear her (this is very likely because he was wearing air pods at the time), or that the person was deaf, hard of hearing or not an English speaker before just shooting. Could have even been a maintenance man on legitimate duty. -Her dumbest moment on the stand was when the defense asked her why she texted Martin Rivera (her partner) after the shooting. Her response was because she wanted him to come because he was somebody close to her whom she could trust. Then she said something to the effect of "Being there alone with [Botham] was the scariest feeling I could imagine". The prosecution flipped this on her and asked "Wouldn't an intruder busting in your door with a gun trained on you threatening to shoot be a scarier situation?" which she had to admit was true. He used that statement to show that she was once again putting her needs and feelings over that of a dying man's. -Her second dumbest moment on the stand was when she admitted that the door was slightly ajar and she could hear movement inside the apartment. She felt the best thing to do was confront the intruder head on. The prosecution used this fact to argue that she had an opportunity while still outside to find concealment, call for backup (police arrived in 2 minutes by the way), and formulate a plan. In fact (and this is where it looks really dumb for her), the prosecution pointed out that the de-escalation training she took just 4 months before the incident teaches that you should take advantage of time and dont take assumptions as fact. When asked whether she remembered this, Ambers response was I dont remember that. The prosecution responded Were you paying attention during those classes to which Amber responded I dont remember. The prosecution then asked Did you change anything about the way you did police work after that training to which she responded No. The prosecution then asked Then what was the point of that training and she responded I dont know. --- This is all paraphrased based on my memory and notes I was writing but yeah, it explains a lot about the state of police training in this country. -Another dumb moment for her on the stand was when the prosecution was drilling her about the various differences between the 3rd and 4th floor. Several huge differences such as a huge plant one of her neighbors had which Amber passed by literally every day, or some of the decorative floor mats. Amber claimed not to have ever really noticed any of it.yet shes a police officer, trained to be observant. Fact is she missed several cues that should have alerted her that she was on the wrong floor including the big red floor mat outside Bothams door, the door numbers on the 4th floor all start with 14 (versus the 3rd floor where they all start with 13), her neighbors big plant, the fact that the stairs she passed stopped on the 4th floor (instead of continuing to go up like youd see on the 3rd floor), the fact that his apartment smelled like weed (according to all officers who entered) and last but not least, the fact that a man was just chilling in the apartment But yeah at the end of the day, the defense called Texas Ranger David Armstrong back to the stand where the judge allowed him to give testimony on the reasonableness of the shooting but did not allow him to give an opinion as to whether a crime had occurred. Id argue that by saying her actions were reasonable, hes inadvertently saying that no crime was committed. So yeah fuck this guy and his ridiculous stance. On the stand he sounds like a total robot just reading from the blue script. Unfortunately, I didnt get to see the prosecution cross examine him. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 11:27:04 PM #148 | Luckily I was able to listen to the vast majority of today's proceedings. It did clear up a few things that I'll note in this post. -Botham's apartment door was slightly ajar when Amber walked up on it making her think there was a burglar. The investigators found that his door was one of many in that complex that have difficulty closing all the way unless it's forcefully closed. So you can't reliably just walk in and expect the door to close behind you fully on its own. -During the incident, exactly two bullets were fired. One of the bullets hit Botham and the other one hit the wall. Amber claimed that Botham was standing directly in front of her and charging her instead of slightly off to the right by the couch. The prosecution made sure to point out that, if he truly were standing in front of her, then why did the missed bullet end up about 45 degrees to the right in the wall? Either she's a terrible shot or he actually was standing closer by the couch/wall. Being wrong about such a crucial detail calls her entire testimony into question. -It turns out Amber did apply a minor amount of CPR to Botham. After shooting him she claimed that she gave him some "light compressions" and then started doing a sternum rub on his chest. She was doing this while on the phone with 9-1-1. However she must have stopped at least twice because she was texting her partner during the 9-1-1 call. The prosecutor completely called her out on this. They claimed that no blood was found on her body or uniform so they argued that she never touched him. Also, it turns out, she had a fully unused first aid kit in her backpack which she was carrying throughout the entire incident. The kit included an object (can't remember what it's called) specifically designed to help compress traumatic bleeding. Instead of applying this, she was texting her partner and ultimately putting her needs above a dying man's. -When asked why she didn't perform CPR, she claimed it was because she had never actually done it on a human before. Their training only used dummies. This is kind of scary because what good is training if the person doesn't feel prepared to actually use the training when needed. -Her story is that Botham was coming at her aggressively shouting "Hey! Hey! Hey!" Prosecution pointed out that she never once told the 9-1-1 operator, or the responding officers that Botham was coming at her or that she thought he had a weapon. In fact, she kept just saying "I thought this was my apartment" over and over, about 20 times in fact on the 9-1-1 call and body camera footage. On the stand she admitted "I shot an innocent man" and "he didn't deserve that". --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 1:40:34 PM #121 | metallica846 posted... They made sure the jury knew he was married too if I heard that right. It is because it helps explain the dynamics of their relationship. Also, the defense are the ones who brought up that he was married anyway. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 1:37:07 PM #120 | lolife67 posted... Is he the one she was sleeping with/texting that night? No. The cop she was sleeping with is Martin Rivera. The one who tried to defend her was Texas Ranger David Armstrong --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 1:27:55 PM #114 | After the first cross examination, I feel like the prosecution did a good job making her look incompetent. I wrote some notes on some of their main points, but Ill type them out later when i have more time --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 11:56:05 AM #109 | CableZL posted... She says being alone in the room with the innocent man she just shot without anyone there to help her is the scariest thing you can imagine The prosecutors called her out on that thankfully. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 11:46:27 AM #108 | CableZL posted... She says being alone in the room with the innocent man she just shot without anyone there to help her is the scariest thing you can imagine Yeah I eye rolled at that. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/27/19 9:57:17 AM #104 | unfortunately I couldnt watch much of the case yesterday. It was mostly forensics talk though. The prosecution rested its case yesterday and the defense started today. Amber Guyger is currently on the stand testifying... --- |
| Topic | "You don't have any kids of your own. You wouldn't understand" |
| brandunh11 09/26/19 3:15:51 PM #20 | Its a dumb statement because it implies that the only way to obtain knowledge/understanding of a certain thing is through direct experience. Direct experience is just one of many ways to obtain knowledge/understanding and it isnt even necessarily the best way. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 9:14:27 PM #100 | Kastrada posted... Because she was rational enough to realize what had happened and placed her own concerns above his life. She was worried more for the blowback on herself and texted her fuck-buddy/partner to help with her own issues rather than tend to the man bleeding out on the floor. Calling 9-1-1 does not mean you're not in shock or flustered. People frantically call 9-1-1 all the time while still actively in a state of shock. Seriously, just go listen to some random 9-1-1 calls. You seem to think that people in shock follow a specific set of behaviors (such as not calling 9-1-1 and balling up in the fetal position) which is not the case at all. It's difficult to predict how any specific person would respond to such a stressful situation. She was definitely more worried about herself though which is selfish. Not immediately administering CPR was bad judgement on her behalf, but calling it malice pretty much implies that she wanted Botham to die though which you're gonna have a hard time proving to anyone following the facts of the case. I don't even think the prosecution is taking that angle. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 8:30:33 PM #96 | Overall day 3 wasn't too eventful. Mostly they just interviewed nearby residents who heard the shots. This included one resident who had actually made the mistake of inserting her key into the wrong door. Nobody actually saw anything though and the witnesses mostly only officially established facts we already knew. They also interviewed a bunch of forensics experts about specific details surrounding the shooting. One of those experts gave a timeline of events on the night of the shooting (see post #71). Unfortunately, i missed 2 hours of testimony due to having a meeting at work. The highlight for me was when the Texas Ranger David Armstrong tried to assert that "no crime had been committed" and the shooting was "reasonable". I literally almost cursed at my computer monitor while at work. Luckily, the prosecution objected and the judge struck down that portion of his testimony. The jury is not supposed to consider it for the trial, but the message has already been sent. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 8:23:00 PM #94 | Kastrada posted... I'm just talking in the general sense, not legal sense. She understood the levels of her crime and had one of two responses: I get what you're saying and I totally agree that her behavior after the shooting was inappropriate, but I still don't see how you could classify it as malicious. Malice implies an intentional callousness which I just don't think is supported by the facts. I think she was genuinely in shock and that caused her to be negligent, not malicious, towards Botham. And yeah I get that police officers are trained to deal with tough situations, but all of that training assumes that somebody else is the perpetrator. No doubt, she never prepared for a situation in which she'd be on the other side of the law. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 2:12:08 PM #83 | TommyG663513 posted... Has she been convicted yet? Trial is expected to take 2 weeks. Were on day 3. Alexanaxela posted... And this david armstrong guy with his his "she had no other options, no crime has been committed" bullshit can go fuck right off Agreed --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 1:56:52 PM #78 | Hanky_Bannister posted... getting off on the wrong floor is understandable, but not recognizing your own fucking home is not. Im general, I agree with you. All Im saying is that you may need to turn on a light first depending on how dark it is. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 1:07:10 PM #76 | Zikten posted... this is a good point. I once accidentally got off on the wrong floor and opened a stranger's apartment door. the second I saw inside I realized it wasn't my place cause it looked all different. To be just a bit fair, Bothams apartment and Ambers apartment have the same floor plan. Inside the apartment, their living rooms had similar layout (couch and tv in the same place). Plus the light was off when she entered. Today they released pictures of the inside of both apartments. You can find them on google and compare yourself. Definitely doesnt excuse the other clues she completely ignored though. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 12:53:59 PM #71 | |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 12:20:12 PM #66 | Some interesting notes: -Texas Rangers investigated the case and interviewed 297 of the 393 residents in the apartment complex -46 tenants, or 15% of the total, have accidentally placed their key in wrong door -38 tenants, or 23% of residents on floors 3 and 4, had accidentally placed their key in the wrong door -92 tenants had at least walked to the wrong apartment on the wrong floor -71 of these 92 were on floors 3 and 4 (Guyger and Jean lived on floors 3 and 4 respectively). Im a bit pissed right now after hearing Texas Ranger David Armstrongs testimony. He was one of the investigators in the case. He basically said that it was reasonable for Amber to believe she was in her own apartment and that Botham was a deadly threat. He said that she had no other options (not true), it was reasonable for her to shoot him, and that he believed no crime had occurred. The judge later struck down all his testimony related to the reasonableness of the shooting and speculations as to Amber Guygers mind state. This is that blue wall in action. Theres no way he would say this if the shooter was a non-officer. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 10:20:19 AM #64 | |
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| brandunh11 09/25/19 10:17:40 AM #62 | pres_madagascar posted... Yeah, she was drunk No she wasnt. Toxicology report came back 100% clean. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/25/19 10:15:24 AM #60 | Kastrada posted... I would think there was definite malice when she was texting while he bled out on the floor. The "excuse" of her thinking it was her home is rendered even more worthless unless she was still under the impression it was her apartment when the next cop showed up and administered first aid. I dont really see how your logic follows. Are you saying texting her partner proves that she really wanted Botham to die? By all accounts, she had no idea who he was until that moment. Its pretty clear from the 9-1-1 call and body cam footage from the responding officers that she was flustered and still trying to process what had just happened. Its not like she just started having casual text conversation with her partner. She was texting him things like Im screwed and I screwed up. Seems like she was slowly processing that her life was about to change forever. It was definitely irresponsible of her to not administer any first aid attempts, but I dont see how that equates to malice, especially in the legal sense. Anyway, Day 3 is starting. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/24/19 6:10:39 PM #44 | Lots of testimony today from the officers who responded to the 9-1-1 call and other officers from Dallas PD who investigated the case. They also interviewed some of the witnesses who heard the gunshots and saw the immediate aftermath of the shooting, such as the guy who lived in the apartment directly across from Botham. One of the witnesses came to court wearing athletic shorts and a Dragon Ball Z t-shirt (eyeroll). He claimed that the shooting happened very quickly, within seconds. Some other background that came out regarding the scene, apparently there are no markings on the outside of the building in the parking garage that indicate what floor youre on. The 3rd floor (where Guyger lived) and the 4th floor (where Botham Jean lived) are identical in layout. Their apartments were located in identical locations on their respective floors. However, Botham Jean had a red welcome mat on the outside of the door, a sign Guyger should have picked up on. Also, door numbers are not actually on the doors themselves but up and to the side of the doors under a light on each door. Each door has a lock with a light on it which flashed red if the wrong key is inserted and flashes green if the correct key is inserted. This same technology is in most hotels nowadays. When tested, Guygers key flashed red, something she should have picked up on when trying to enter the premises. They did a poll of residents in the apartment complex and apparently about 90 other people claimed to have accidentally gotten off on the wrong floor before and about 40 people claimed to have accidentally attempted to open the wrong door. Since the incident, management have made several improvements (such as new signage) to make it clearer as to which floor youre on. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/24/19 11:57:22 AM #39 | Day 2 has been going on for 2.5 hours so far. Only two witnesses called to the stand so far. Most relevant of the two was one of the officers who responded to the 911 call and immediately administered first aid techniques to Botham. Body cam footage from the officer was shown. The prosecution is really highlighting the fact that Amber did not offer any first aid assistance while waiting on other officers to arrive even though shes trained to do so. --- |
| Topic | Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home) |
| brandunh11 09/23/19 7:20:19 PM #34 | Smashingpmkns posted... So she was drinking and driving, barged into a man's house and shot him dead? Not sure where you got this. There's zero evidence to support the theories that she was drunk or under the influence. In fact, all known facts seem to support that she was sober. --- |
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